Palestine and Jerusalem belong to Muslims

[Osomir]

And yet you still weren't able to recognize their ideological structures when they were directly quoted to you. Once again your standards for authority are pretty low.

"Ideological structures". You are insane. You think an extremist or radical Muslim is worried about staying true to "ideological structures." Your lack of basic knowledge of how the world works is astounding.

Once again, you are arguing directly against Osama bin Laden here while attempting to speak for terrorists like those who joined his Al Qaeda organization. Quaint.

What am I arguing? ISIS is an offshoot of Al Queda. That is a fact. Stay off the baloney.

Nice backtracking, the fact that you have had to reduce the entirety of your argument to one basic line is pretty telling regarding how confident you are about the robustness of the rest of your previously stated opinions. ISIS is indeed a breakaway movement from Al Qaeda, that was never disputed by anyone.

So. Back track what? You just like to divert from the subject because you lack real life knowledge that you THINK you've compensated for. But in reality you haven't.

What subject have I diverted from?

 

[Roudy]

Sorry buddy, didnt find it one of my life's ambitions to study the koran. Had seen and heard enough of its effects in then U an brains rain an society in general. It's a barbaric, violent, intolerant, imperialist, supremacist faith.

True story.

Then you'll never know much about Islam or Islamic terrorism.

True story.

Which is fine, but it makes your claim to authority and knowledge in this area rather intellectually dishonest.

I know enough about Islam and where Islam terrorism comes from. Actually the word terrorism is wrong usage because the terrorists believe they are devout Muslims doing gods work.

Never professed to be an authority, just one person with a firsthand account and diverse background and knowledge. You on other hand claim to be an authority, on what I don't know, as you've been proven wrong many times over in this very thread.

Someone with a diverse background and knowledge who argued against Khomeini's own speeches and writings while claiming to speak for him. Sounds legit. No room for improvement there!

Ha ha ha. Argued against Khomenis speeches? You're making shit up now. You're the ignorant one who didn't even know they call Khomeini an Imam in Iran. Stick to the private room lap dancing.

I'd be happy to quote his speeches where he extolls his followers to assault and tear off the turbans of the classical Shia ulama for you if you'd like (showcasing classical shiism's opposition to his ideological structures) which you denied existed when you painted him as a shia pope who represented "traditional and pure Shiism".

He gave speeches like that when he came to power? You are a total idiot and a moron. When he came to power in Iran women were lashed for even showing their hair or make up and men beaten for not wearing proper attire or having long hair or even shaving. He was determined to turn back all of the shahs reforms and Impose a strict barbaric form of Islam.

Yes he was like a pope, his picture was in every household and business. Although most did it out of fear. I don't think you've ever talked to an Iranian, you are completely delusional and clueless.

See, this is where your knowledge is crap and garbage and having absolutely nothing to do with reality. If the harmony center gave you this info, flush that site down the toilet.

 

[Roudy]

And Mexico has the right to California.

Figure the odds.

Are you disagreeing with the notion that Israel has a right to Western Jerusalem?

Are you disagreeing that the Koran gives Israel to the Jews?

There isn't anything in the Quran that states that either Jews or Muslims can't live in Jerusalem.

Ah so you're a liar then as well. I didn't ask you what it DOESN'T say, I asked you whether the Koran specifically gives Israel to the Jews or not.

where did I utter a lie?

Simple question you can't answer. You lack total intellectual honesty. Does the Koran specifically state that Israel aka the promised land belong to the Jews or not. Did Mohammad state that Muslims should pray facing Mecca, not Jerusalem, as it is for the JEWS? Come on, out with it, ABDUL.

 

[Roudy]

"Ideological structures". You are insane. You think an extremist or radical Muslim is worried about staying true to "ideological structures." Your lack of basic knowledge of how the world works is astounding.

Once again, you are arguing directly against Osama bin Laden here while attempting to speak for terrorists like those who joined his Al Qaeda organization. Quaint.

What am I arguing? ISIS is an offshoot of Al Queda. That is a fact. Stay off the baloney.

Nice backtracking, the fact that you have had to reduce the entirety of your argument to one basic line is pretty telling regarding how confident you are about the robustness of the rest of your previously stated opinions. ISIS is indeed a breakaway movement from Al Qaeda, that was never disputed by anyone.

So. Back track what? You just like to divert from the subject because you lack real life knowledge that you THINK you've compensated for. But in reality you haven't.

What subject have I diverted from?

Have you checked the title of this thread? Too busy in the private massage areas I guess.

 

[Osomir]

Then you'll never know much about Islam or Islamic terrorism.

True story.

Which is fine, but it makes your claim to authority and knowledge in this area rather intellectually dishonest.

I know enough about Islam and where Islam terrorism comes from. Actually the word terrorism is wrong usage because the terrorists believe they are devout Muslims doing gods work.

Never professed to be an authority, just one person with a firsthand account and diverse background and knowledge. You on other hand claim to be an authority, on what I don't know, as you've been proven wrong many times over in this very thread.

Someone with a diverse background and knowledge who argued against Khomeini's own speeches and writings while claiming to speak for him. Sounds legit. No room for improvement there!

Ha ha ha. Argued against Khomenis speeches? You're making shit up now. You're the ignorant one who didn't even know they call Khomeini an Imam in Iran. Stick to the private room lap dancing.

I'd be happy to quote his speeches where he extolls his followers to assault and tear off the turbans of the classical Shia ulama for you if you'd like (showcasing classical shiism's opposition to his ideological structures) which you denied existed when you painted him as a shia pope who represented "traditional and pure Shiism".

He gave speeches like that when he came to power?

Yes. Though in fairness he did tone it down a bit when he entered office, but not enough to prevent exactly that from happening to a renown Shia scholar in Qom: Ayatollah Kazem Shari'atmadari from having exactly that happen to him in 1982.

Yes he was like a pope, his picture was in every household and business. Although most did it out of fear. I don't think you've ever talked to an Iranian, you are completely delusional and clueless.

I have studied directly under Iranians, among others.

See, this is where your knowledge is crap and garbage and having absolutely nothing to do with reality.

Algar, Hamid 1981. Islam and Revolution: Writings and Declarations of Imam Khomeini page 141. Feel free to look it up.

Also concerning my "crap knowledge" regarding the novelty of Khomeini's approach:

"...it was practically unheard of in the context of Shi'i Islam, whose scholars had long maintained a resolutely quietest political stance toward the government."

Euben, Roxanne and Muhammad Qasim Zaman 2009 Princeton Readings on Islamist Thought: Texts and Contexts from al-Banna to Bin Laden page 155.

 

[mudwhistle]

It belongs to Israel. Try taking it from them.

I agree that they have a right to Western Jerusalem.

And Mexico has the right to California.

Figure the odds.

Are you disagreeing with the notion that Israel has a right to Western Jerusalem?

Israel barely has any land at all. Why doesn't Jordan give the PLO some of theirs?

Why should they? A right to land doesn't depend on how much you have.

Jordan currently occupies more land that supposedly belonged to Palstine than Israel. Go ask them.

 

[aris2chat]

It belongs to Israel. Try taking it from them.

I agree that they have a right to Western Jerusalem.

And Mexico has the right to California.

Figure the odds.

Are you disagreeing with the notion that Israel has a right to Western Jerusalem?

Are you disagreeing that the Koran gives Israel to the Jews?

There isn't anything in the Quran that states that either Jews or Muslims can't live in Jerusalem.

Mohammed turned away from Jerusalem towards Mecca, because the jews would not accept him as their prophet. Mecca was for the arabs and Jerusalem was for the jews and christians.
Omar also built a mosque off to one corner and left the dome and rest of mount for the other pilgrims. Jewish rabbis were consulted on where they could build and what was holy to the jews on the mount.

 

[Roudy]

I know enough about Islam and where Islam terrorism comes from. Actually the word terrorism is wrong usage because the terrorists believe they are devout Muslims doing gods work.

Never professed to be an authority, just one person with a firsthand account and diverse background and knowledge. You on other hand claim to be an authority, on what I don't know, as you've been proven wrong many times over in this very thread.

Someone with a diverse background and knowledge who argued against Khomeini's own speeches and writings while claiming to speak for him. Sounds legit. No room for improvement there!

Ha ha ha. Argued against Khomenis speeches? You're making shit up now. You're the ignorant one who didn't even know they call Khomeini an Imam in Iran. Stick to the private room lap dancing.

I'd be happy to quote his speeches where he extolls his followers to assault and tear off the turbans of the classical Shia ulama for you if you'd like (showcasing classical shiism's opposition to his ideological structures) which you denied existed when you painted him as a shia pope who represented "traditional and pure Shiism".

He gave speeches like that when he came to power?

Yes. Though in fairness he did tone it down a bit when he entered office, but not enough to prevent exactly that from happening to a renown Shia scholar in Qom: Ayatollah Kazem Shari'atmadari from having exactly that happen to him in 1982.

Yes he was like a pope, his picture was in every household and business. Although most did it out of fear. I don't think you've ever talked to an Iranian, you are completely delusional and clueless.

I have studied directly under Iranians, among others.

See, this is where your knowledge is crap and garbage and having absolutely nothing to do with reality.

Algar, Hamid 1981. Islam and Revolution: Writings and Declarations of Imam Khomeini page 141. Feel free to look it up.

Also concerning my "crap knowledge" regarding the novelty of Khomeini's approach:

"...it was practically unheard of in the context of Shi'i Islam, whose scholars had long maintained a resolutely quietest political stance toward the government."

Euben, Roxanne and Muhammad Qasim Zaman 2009 Princeton Readings on Islamist Thought: Texts and Contexts from al-Banna to Bin Laden page 155.

GAWD does this guy live in this planet? KHOMEINI as a "progressive" cleric. Tell that to an Iranian and he will laugh so hard he will pee in his pants.

 

[Roudy]

I know enough about Islam and where Islam terrorism comes from. Actually the word terrorism is wrong usage because the terrorists believe they are devout Muslims doing gods work.

Never professed to be an authority, just one person with a firsthand account and diverse background and knowledge. You on other hand claim to be an authority, on what I don't know, as you've been proven wrong many times over in this very thread.

Someone with a diverse background and knowledge who argued against Khomeini's own speeches and writings while claiming to speak for him. Sounds legit. No room for improvement there!

Ha ha ha. Argued against Khomenis speeches? You're making shit up now. You're the ignorant one who didn't even know they call Khomeini an Imam in Iran. Stick to the private room lap dancing.

I'd be happy to quote his speeches where he extolls his followers to assault and tear off the turbans of the classical Shia ulama for you if you'd like (showcasing classical shiism's opposition to his ideological structures) which you denied existed when you painted him as a shia pope who represented "traditional and pure Shiism".

He gave speeches like that when he came to power?

Yes. Though in fairness he did tone it down a bit when he entered office, but not enough to prevent exactly that from happening to a renown Shia scholar in Qom: Ayatollah Kazem Shari'atmadari from having exactly that happen to him in 1982.

Yes he was like a pope, his picture was in every household and business. Although most did it out of fear. I don't think you've ever talked to an Iranian, you are completely delusional and clueless.

I have studied directly under Iranians, among others.

See, this is where your knowledge is crap and garbage and having absolutely nothing to do with reality.

Algar, Hamid 1981. Islam and Revolution: Writings and Declarations of Imam Khomeini page 141. Feel free to look it up.

Also concerning my "crap knowledge" regarding the novelty of Khomeini's approach:

"...it was practically unheard of in the context of Shi'i Islam, whose scholars had long maintained a resolutely quietest political stance toward the government."

Euben, Roxanne and Muhammad Qasim Zaman 2009 Princeton Readings on Islamist Thought: Texts and Contexts from al-Banna to Bin Laden page 155.

In all fairness, you're insane and truly ignorant. May I suggest a book?

"The Little Green Book" - Ayatollah Khomeini’s Book: Sex with Children and Animals
The leader of the Iranian Revolution in 1989, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, wrote extensively on Islamic Jurisprudence. A two-volume book, which was published originally in Arabic, was called ‘Tahrir al Wasilah’. Translated into Farsi, the book is called “Tahrirolvasyleh.” (read entire text here.) Khomeini also had another treatise on Islamic rules for living, called in English, “The Little Green Book.” (see entire text here.)
It is useful to understand what an esteemed Islamic leader such as the Ayatollah teaches his followers.

Here are some excerpts from “Tahrirolvasyleh” which Muslims probably don’t want you to know about Islam:

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. ["Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]

A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable.

If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned.

Wine and all intoxicating beverages are impure, but opium and hashish are not.

If a man sodomises the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid.

During sexual intercourse, if the penis enters a woman’s vagina or a man’s anus, fully or only as far as the circumcision ring, both partners become impure, even if they have not reached puberty; they must consequently perform ablutions.

A woman who has contracted a continuing marriage does not have the right to go out of the house without her husband’s permission; she must remain at his disposal for the fulfilment of any one of his desires, and may not refuse herself to him except for a religiously valid reason. If she is totally submissive to him, the husband must provide her with her food, clothing, and lodging, whether or not he has the means to do so. A woman who refuses herself to her husband is guilty, and may not demand from him food, clothing, lodging, or any later sexual relations; however, she retains the right to be paid damages if she is repudiated.

If a father (or paternal grandfather) marries off his daughter (or granddaughter) in her absence without knowing for a certainty that she is alive, the marriage becomes null and void as soon as it is established that she was dead at the time of the marriage.

It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her. ["The Little Green Book"]
If a man commits adultery with an unmarried woman, and subsequently marries her, the child born of that marriage will be a bastard unless the parents can be sure it was conceived after they were married. A child born of an adulterous father is legitimate.Ali [son in law of Mohammed], having cut off the hands of two thieves, treated their wounds and offered them his hospitality, and this affected them so much that they became utterly devoted to him; or again when he heard that the marauding army of Muawiyah had abused a woman of one of the tribes, he was so upset and moved to pity he declared: “If a man died after such an occurrence, no one could blame him.” And yet, despite a nature as sensitive as that, Ali bared his sword and hacked the perpetrators to pieces. This is the meaning of justice.- “The Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Philosophical, Social and Religious” (The Little Green Book), ISBN number 0-553-14032-9.

Paedophilia legal in Iran

In June, 2002 Iranian authorities approved a law raising the age at which girls can marry without parental consent from 9 to 13. The elected legislature actually passed the bill in 2000, but the “Guardian Council”, a 12-man body of conservative clerics, vetoed it as contradicting Islamic Sharia law. Iran’s clerical establishment insists that the marriage of young girls is a means to combat immorality. The Expediency Council, which arbitrates between the elected parliament and the theocratic Guardian Council, timidly passed the measure. The law however does not change the age at which children can get married (nine for girls and 14 for boys), but says that girls below the age of 13 and boys younger than 15 need their parents’ permission and the approval of a “Righteous Court.” Reformists state that the new law does not protect children, since most of those who marry at such a young age do so by force.

A religious decree by Khomeini ordered that girl prisoners who are virgins must be raped before execution, to prevent them from entering heaven. A Guard conducts the rape the night before execution. The next day, a marriage certificate is issued by a mullah, who sends it to the girl’s family, along with a box of chocolates as a wedding gift.

It is quite common in Iran for older men to marry children, as long as they pay the appropriate bride-price to the girl’s family. This basically means that a father can sell his daughter to whomever he wants, whilst the mad mullahs see this as a means of maintaining purity. We prefer to call this child prostitution and rape, especially given that Iran’s clerics approve of the ‘tradition’ of ‘temporary marriage’ (Mut’a), which can last less than 24 hours and may be repeated as many times as desired. This form of exploitation is widespread and legitimises sex with young children. The man may even visit his temporary wife every weekend at her father’s house, for about $10 per visit.

Khomeini on prostitution and Mut’a (temporary marriage)

“It is permissible to do Mut’a with an adulteress, but with aversion, particularly if she is a well-known prostitute. If Mut’a is done with her, she should be told to give-up her profession.”

March 15, 2010: Gulf News reports that a guard has been arrested for having sex with the animals he was guarding on a farm. Muslim readers writing in to comment in the newspaper want to to know if the animals are still fit for eating.

 

[Roudy]

I agree that they have a right to Western Jerusalem.

And Mexico has the right to California.

Figure the odds.

Are you disagreeing with the notion that Israel has a right to Western Jerusalem?

Are you disagreeing that the Koran gives Israel to the Jews?

There isn't anything in the Quran that states that either Jews or Muslims can't live in Jerusalem.

Mohammed turned away from Jerusalem towards Mecca, because the jews would not accept him as their prophet. Mecca was for the arabs and Jerusalem was for the jews and christians.
Omar also built a mosque off to one corner and left the dome and rest of mount for the other pilgrims. Jewish rabbis were consulted on where they could build and what was holy to the jews on the mount.

Notice the Islamic scholar who makes a living in private rooms has yet be honest about what the Koran actually says about Israel and Jerusalem.

And he wants us to believe that he isn't a Muslim. Ha ha ha.

 

[aris2chat]

And Mexico has the right to California.

Figure the odds.

Are you disagreeing with the notion that Israel has a right to Western Jerusalem?

Are you disagreeing that the Koran gives Israel to the Jews?

There isn't anything in the Quran that states that either Jews or Muslims can't live in Jerusalem.

Mohammed turned away from Jerusalem towards Mecca, because the jews would not accept him as their prophet. Mecca was for the arabs and Jerusalem was for the jews and christians.
Omar also built a mosque off to one corner and left the dome and rest of mount for the other pilgrims. Jewish rabbis were consulted on where they could build and what was holy to the jews on the mount.

Notice the Islamic scholar who makes a living in private rooms has yet be honest about what the Koran actually says about Israel and Jerusalem.

And he wants us to believe that he isn't a Muslim. Ha ha ha.

He is no scholar of Islam. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. He has only a limited view of the facts.

 

[Roudy]

Are you disagreeing with the notion that Israel has a right to Western Jerusalem?

Are you disagreeing that the Koran gives Israel to the Jews?

There isn't anything in the Quran that states that either Jews or Muslims can't live in Jerusalem.

Mohammed turned away from Jerusalem towards Mecca, because the jews would not accept him as their prophet. Mecca was for the arabs and Jerusalem was for the jews and christians.
Omar also built a mosque off to one corner and left the dome and rest of mount for the other pilgrims. Jewish rabbis were consulted on where they could build and what was holy to the jews on the mount.

Notice the Islamic scholar who makes a living in private rooms has yet be honest about what the Koran actually says about Israel and Jerusalem.

And he wants us to believe that he isn't a Muslim. Ha ha ha.

He is no scholar of Islam. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. He has only a limited view of the facts.

He professes to have this vast knowledge of Islamic theology and all these fantastic miliary sources which in essence are meaningless, incorrect, delusional, and totally irrelvant to the facts on the ground today. Just a lame ineffective attempt at deception and compensating for his lack of knowledge.

 

[Kondor3]

Hello,

I am Muslim. Everyone knows that Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) is a true prophet of God Almighty, holy and heavenly. If you don't know this, then learn about the Night Journey.
Isra and Mi raj - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Therefore the missions of all 123 999 prophets ended, while Muhammad took over as the 124 000th prophet, the last of all prophets, who closes the cycle of prophethood. Servanhood of God Almighty, today, and since the 7th century is only through Muhammad's Islam, through true Islam. Jerusalem now belongs to Muhammad, no more to Jesus, no more to Moses, no more to Abraham. This is what pleases God Almighty.

As such, what Americans, Israelis, Europeans, Christianity and Judaism are doing is pure wickedness, pure evil.

Nevertheless, ever since the Muslims conquered Jerusalem in the 7th century under Umar (may God be well pleased with him), Islam has never been denied Jerusalem or Palestine, and it never will, to the end end of times.

That's a real pretty speech.

Full of shit, but real pretty.

 

[Kondor3]

The beloved Prophet Muhammad is the perfect example for all of mankind to emulate and follow. ....

Never mind a vicious, barbaric, hallucinating pedophile and bullshit artist.

 

[Roudy]

Hello,

I am Muslim. Everyone knows that Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) is a true prophet of God Almighty, holy and heavenly. If you don't know this, then learn about the Night Journey.
Isra and Mi raj - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Therefore the missions of all 123 999 prophets ended, while Muhammad took over as the 124 000th prophet, the last of all prophets, who closes the cycle of prophethood. Servanhood of God Almighty, today, and since the 7th century is only through Muhammad's Islam, through true Islam. Jerusalem now belongs to Muhammad, no more to Jesus, no more to Moses, no more to Abraham. This is what pleases God Almighty.

As such, what Americans, Israelis, Europeans, Christianity and Judaism are doing is pure wickedness, pure evil.

Nevertheless, ever since the Muslims conquered Jerusalem in the 7th century under Umar (may God be well pleased with him), Islam has never been denied Jerusalem or Palestine, and it never will, to the end end of times.

That's a real pretty speech.

Full of shit, but real pretty.

Or, pretty fulla shit.

 

[Kondor3]

Hello,

I am Muslim. Everyone knows that Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family) is a true prophet of God Almighty, holy and heavenly. If you don't know this, then learn about the Night Journey.
Isra and Mi raj - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Therefore the missions of all 123 999 prophets ended, while Muhammad took over as the 124 000th prophet, the last of all prophets, who closes the cycle of prophethood. Servanhood of God Almighty, today, and since the 7th century is only through Muhammad's Islam, through true Islam. Jerusalem now belongs to Muhammad, no more to Jesus, no more to Moses, no more to Abraham. This is what pleases God Almighty.

As such, what Americans, Israelis, Europeans, Christianity and Judaism are doing is pure wickedness, pure evil.

Nevertheless, ever since the Muslims conquered Jerusalem in the 7th century under Umar (may God be well pleased with him), Islam has never been denied Jerusalem or Palestine, and it never will, to the end end of times.

That's a real pretty speech.

Full of shit, but real pretty.

Or, pretty fulla shit.

Combine the two?

Kill two stones with one bird?

Done.

 

[Osomir]

Are you disagreeing with the notion that Israel has a right to Western Jerusalem?

Are you disagreeing that the Koran gives Israel to the Jews?

There isn't anything in the Quran that states that either Jews or Muslims can't live in Jerusalem.

Mohammed turned away from Jerusalem towards Mecca, because the jews would not accept him as their prophet. Mecca was for the arabs and Jerusalem was for the jews and christians.
Omar also built a mosque off to one corner and left the dome and rest of mount for the other pilgrims. Jewish rabbis were consulted on where they could build and what was holy to the jews on the mount.

Notice the Islamic scholar who makes a living in private rooms has yet be honest about what the Koran actually says about Israel and Jerusalem.

And he wants us to believe that he isn't a Muslim. Ha ha ha.

He is no scholar of Islam. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. He has only a limited view of the facts.

Says the person who didn't think that Shiism was traditionally non-political.

I understand that you two are nursing bruised egos, but this is just sad.

 

[fanger]

Someone with a diverse background and knowledge who argued against Khomeini's own speeches and writings while claiming to speak for him. Sounds legit. No room for improvement there!

Ha ha ha. Argued against Khomenis speeches? You're making shit up now. You're the ignorant one who didn't even know they call Khomeini an Imam in Iran. Stick to the private room lap dancing.

I'd be happy to quote his speeches where he extolls his followers to assault and tear off the turbans of the classical Shia ulama for you if you'd like (showcasing classical shiism's opposition to his ideological structures) which you denied existed when you painted him as a shia pope who represented "traditional and pure Shiism".

He gave speeches like that when he came to power?

Yes. Though in fairness he did tone it down a bit when he entered office, but not enough to prevent exactly that from happening to a renown Shia scholar in Qom: Ayatollah Kazem Shari'atmadari from having exactly that happen to him in 1982.

Yes he was like a pope, his picture was in every household and business. Although most did it out of fear. I don't think you've ever talked to an Iranian, you are completely delusional and clueless.

I have studied directly under Iranians, among others.

See, this is where your knowledge is crap and garbage and having absolutely nothing to do with reality.

Algar, Hamid 1981. Islam and Revolution: Writings and Declarations of Imam Khomeini page 141. Feel free to look it up.

Also concerning my "crap knowledge" regarding the novelty of Khomeini's approach:

"...it was practically unheard of in the context of Shi'i Islam, whose scholars had long maintained a resolutely quietest political stance toward the government."

Euben, Roxanne and Muhammad Qasim Zaman 2009 Princeton Readings on Islamist Thought: Texts and Contexts from al-Banna to Bin Laden page 155.

In all fairness, you're insane and truly ignorant. May I suggest a book?

"The Little Green Book" - Ayatollah Khomeini’s Book: Sex with Children and Animals
The leader of the Iranian Revolution in 1989, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, wrote extensively on Islamic Jurisprudence. A two-volume book, which was published originally in Arabic, was called ‘Tahrir al Wasilah’. Translated into Farsi, the book is called “Tahrirolvasyleh.” (read entire text here.) Khomeini also had another treatise on Islamic rules for living, called in English, “The Little Green Book.” (see entire text here.)
It is useful to understand what an esteemed Islamic leader such as the Ayatollah teaches his followers.

Here are some excerpts from “Tahrirolvasyleh” which Muslims probably don’t want you to know about Islam:

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. ["Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]

A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable.

If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned.

Wine and all intoxicating beverages are impure, but opium and hashish are not.

If a man sodomises the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid.

During sexual intercourse, if the penis enters a woman’s vagina or a man’s anus, fully or only as far as the circumcision ring, both partners become impure, even if they have not reached puberty; they must consequently perform ablutions.

A woman who has contracted a continuing marriage does not have the right to go out of the house without her husband’s permission; she must remain at his disposal for the fulfilment of any one of his desires, and may not refuse herself to him except for a religiously valid reason. If she is totally submissive to him, the husband must provide her with her food, clothing, and lodging, whether or not he has the means to do so. A woman who refuses herself to her husband is guilty, and may not demand from him food, clothing, lodging, or any later sexual relations; however, she retains the right to be paid damages if she is repudiated.

If a father (or paternal grandfather) marries off his daughter (or granddaughter) in her absence without knowing for a certainty that she is alive, the marriage becomes null and void as soon as it is established that she was dead at the time of the marriage.

It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her. ["The Little Green Book"]
If a man commits adultery with an unmarried woman, and subsequently marries her, the child born of that marriage will be a bastard unless the parents can be sure it was conceived after they were married. A child born of an adulterous father is legitimate.Ali [son in law of Mohammed], having cut off the hands of two thieves, treated their wounds and offered them his hospitality, and this affected them so much that they became utterly devoted to him; or again when he heard that the marauding army of Muawiyah had abused a woman of one of the tribes, he was so upset and moved to pity he declared: “If a man died after such an occurrence, no one could blame him.” And yet, despite a nature as sensitive as that, Ali bared his sword and hacked the perpetrators to pieces. This is the meaning of justice.- “The Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Philosophical, Social and Religious” (The Little Green Book), ISBN number 0-553-14032-9.

Paedophilia legal in Iran

In June, 2002 Iranian authorities approved a law raising the age at which girls can marry without parental consent from 9 to 13. The elected legislature actually passed the bill in 2000, but the “Guardian Council”, a 12-man body of conservative clerics, vetoed it as contradicting Islamic Sharia law. Iran’s clerical establishment insists that the marriage of young girls is a means to combat immorality. The Expediency Council, which arbitrates between the elected parliament and the theocratic Guardian Council, timidly passed the measure. The law however does not change the age at which children can get married (nine for girls and 14 for boys), but says that girls below the age of 13 and boys younger than 15 need their parents’ permission and the approval of a “Righteous Court.” Reformists state that the new law does not protect children, since most of those who marry at such a young age do so by force.

A religious decree by Khomeini ordered that girl prisoners who are virgins must be raped before execution, to prevent them from entering heaven. A Guard conducts the rape the night before execution. The next day, a marriage certificate is issued by a mullah, who sends it to the girl’s family, along with a box of chocolates as a wedding gift.

It is quite common in Iran for older men to marry children, as long as they pay the appropriate bride-price to the girl’s family. This basically means that a father can sell his daughter to whomever he wants, whilst the mad mullahs see this as a means of maintaining purity. We prefer to call this child prostitution and rape, especially given that Iran’s clerics approve of the ‘tradition’ of ‘temporary marriage’ (Mut’a), which can last less than 24 hours and may be repeated as many times as desired. This form of exploitation is widespread and legitimises sex with young children. The man may even visit his temporary wife every weekend at her father’s house, for about $10 per visit.

Khomeini on prostitution and Mut’a (temporary marriage)

“It is permissible to do Mut’a with an adulteress, but with aversion, particularly if she is a well-known prostitute. If Mut’a is done with her, she should be told to give-up her profession.”

March 15, 2010: Gulf News reports that a guard has been arrested for having sex with the animals he was guarding on a farm. Muslim readers writing in to comment in the newspaper want to to know if the animals are still fit for eating.

Where are you quoting from?

 

[Roudy]

Are you disagreeing that the Koran gives Israel to the Jews?

There isn't anything in the Quran that states that either Jews or Muslims can't live in Jerusalem.

Mohammed turned away from Jerusalem towards Mecca, because the jews would not accept him as their prophet. Mecca was for the arabs and Jerusalem was for the jews and christians.
Omar also built a mosque off to one corner and left the dome and rest of mount for the other pilgrims. Jewish rabbis were consulted on where they could build and what was holy to the jews on the mount.

Notice the Islamic scholar who makes a living in private rooms has yet be honest about what the Koran actually says about Israel and Jerusalem.

And he wants us to believe that he isn't a Muslim. Ha ha ha.

He is no scholar of Islam. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. He has only a limited view of the facts.

Says the person who didn't think that Shiism was traditionally non-political.

I understand that you two are nursing bruised egos, but this is just sad.

Riiight. Says the Muslim who pretends not to be one, who can't admit that the Koran gives Israel and Jerusalem to the Jews, didn't even know that Khomeini is referred to as Imam, and now the ignoramus falsely claims that Shiism has been non political. Then what are all these Shiite empires, DUFUS?


List of Shia Muslim dynasties

The following is a list of Shi'a Muslim dynasties:


Contents

• Egypt and North Africa
• Sicily
• Spain
• Arabian Peninsula
• Syria and Iraq
• Asia Minor (Modern Turkey)
• Iran and Caucasus
• India
• South-East Asia
• East Africa
• See also
• Notes

Egypt and North Africa

• Idrisid dynasty (780–985 AD)
• Fatimid Caliphate (909–1171 AD)
• Banu Kanz (1004–1412 AD)

SicilyEdit

• Kalbids (948–1053 AD)

SpainEdit

• Hammudid dynasty (1016–1073 AD)

Arabian Peninsula

• Banu Ukhaidhir (865–1066 AD) in Al-Yamama
• Rassids (893–1970 AD) from Yemen
• Sulaihid State (1047–1138 AD) from Yemen
• Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen (1926–1970 AD)
• Qarmatians (900–1073 AD) from Bahrain
• Usfurids (1253–1320) from Bahrain
• Jarwanid dynasty (1305–1487) from Bahrain

Syria and Iraq

• Hamdanid dynasty (890–1004 AD)
• Bani Assad (961–1163 AD) (Central and southern Iraq)
• Numayrids (990–1081 AD) (Western Iraq)[3]
• Marwanids (990–1085 AD)
• Uqaylid Dynasty (990–1169 AD)
• Mirdasids (1024–1080 AD)

Asia Minor (Modern Turkey)

• Eretnids (1328–1381)

Iran and CaucasusEdit

• Justanids (791–974 AD)
• Alavids (864–929 AD)
• Aishanids (912–961 AD)
• Ziyarid dynasty (928–1043 AD
• Buyid dynasty (934–1062 AD)
• Hasanwayhid (959–1015 AD)
• Kakuyids (1008–1051 AD)
• Ismaili State of Alamut(Iran) (1090–1256 AD)
• Ilkhanate (1256–1335 AD)
• Sarbadars (1332–1386 AD)
• Jalayirids (1335–1432 AD)
• Chupanids (1335–1357 AD)
• Injuids (1335–1357 AD)
• Marashiyan (1359–1582 AD)
• Kara Koyunlu (1375–1468 AD)
• Musha'sha'iyyah dynasty (1436–1729 AD)
• Safavid dynasty (1501–1736 AD)
• Baku Khanate (1592–1806 AD)
• Erivan khanate (1604–1828)
• Afsharid dynasty (1736–1796 AD)
• Ganja khanate (1747–1804 AD)
• Talysh Khanate (1747–1828 AD)
• Nakhichevan Khanate (1747–1813 AD)
• Karabakh Khanate (1747–1822 AD)
• Shirvan Khanate (1748–1820 AD)
• Zand dynasty (1750–1794 AD)
• Qajar dynasty (1785–1925 AD)
• Pahlavi dynasty (1925–1979 AD)

India

• Bahmani Sultanate (1347–1527 AD)
• Jaunpur Sultanate (1394–1479 AD)
• Bidar Sultanate (1489–1619 AD)
• Berar Sultanate (1490–1572 AD)
• Ahmadnagar Sultanate (1490–1636 AD)
• Qutb Shahi dynasty (1518–1687 AD)
• Adil Shahi dynasty (1527–1686 AD)
• Nawab of Rampur (1719–1949)
• Nawabs of Oudh (1722–1858 AD)
• Nawabs of Bengal (1757–1880)
• Talpur dynasty (1783–1843)
• Hunza (princely state)
• Nagar (princely state)

South-East AsiaEdit

• Daya Pasai (1128–1285 AD).
• Bandar Kalibah
• Moira Malaya
• Kanto Kambar
• Robaromun

East AfricaEdit

• Kilwa Sultanate (957–1506 AD).

YUP, AS WE CAN SEE SHIISM IS TRADITIONALLY NON POLITICAL.

 

[Kondor3]

There isn't anything in the Quran that states that either Jews or Muslims can't live in Jerusalem.

Mohammed turned away from Jerusalem towards Mecca, because the jews would not accept him as their prophet. Mecca was for the arabs and Jerusalem was for the jews and christians.
Omar also built a mosque off to one corner and left the dome and rest of mount for the other pilgrims. Jewish rabbis were consulted on where they could build and what was holy to the jews on the mount.

Notice the Islamic scholar who makes a living in private rooms has yet be honest about what the Koran actually says about Israel and Jerusalem.

And he wants us to believe that he isn't a Muslim. Ha ha ha.

He is no scholar of Islam. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands. He has only a limited view of the facts.

Says the person who didn't think that Shiism was traditionally non-political.

I understand that you two are nursing bruised egos, but this is just sad.

Riiight. Says the Muslim who pretends not to be one, who can't admit that the Koran gives Israel and Jerusalem to the Jews, didn't even know that Khomeini is referred to as Imam, and now the ignoramus falsely claims that Shiism has been non political. Then what are all these Shiite empires, DUFUS?


List of Shia Muslim dynasties

The following is a list of Shi'a Muslim dynasties:


Contents

• Egypt and North Africa
• Sicily
• Spain
• Arabian Peninsula
• Syria and Iraq
• Asia Minor (Modern Turkey)
• Iran and Caucasus
• India
• South-East Asia
• East Africa
• See also
• Notes

Egypt and North Africa

• Idrisid dynasty (780–985 AD)
• Fatimid Caliphate (909–1171 AD)
• Banu Kanz (1004–1412 AD)

SicilyEdit

• Kalbids (948–1053 AD)

SpainEdit

• Hammudid dynasty (1016–1073 AD)

Arabian Peninsula

• Banu Ukhaidhir (865–1066 AD) in Al-Yamama
• Rassids (893–1970 AD) from Yemen
• Sulaihid State (1047–1138 AD) from Yemen
• Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen (1926–1970 AD)
• Qarmatians (900–1073 AD) from Bahrain
• Usfurids (1253–1320) from Bahrain
• Jarwanid dynasty (1305–1487) from Bahrain

Syria and Iraq

• Hamdanid dynasty (890–1004 AD)
• Bani Assad (961–1163 AD) (Central and southern Iraq)
• Numayrids (990–1081 AD) (Western Iraq)[3]
• Marwanids (990–1085 AD)
• Uqaylid Dynasty (990–1169 AD)
• Mirdasids (1024–1080 AD)

Asia Minor (Modern Turkey)

• Eretnids (1328–1381)

Iran and CaucasusEdit

• Justanids (791–974 AD)
• Alavids (864–929 AD)
• Aishanids (912–961 AD)
• Ziyarid dynasty (928–1043 AD
• Buyid dynasty (934–1062 AD)
• Hasanwayhid (959–1015 AD)
• Kakuyids (1008–1051 AD)
• Ismaili State of Alamut(Iran) (1090–1256 AD)
• Ilkhanate (1256–1335 AD)
• Sarbadars (1332–1386 AD)
• Jalayirids (1335–1432 AD)
• Chupanids (1335–1357 AD)
• Injuids (1335–1357 AD)
• Marashiyan (1359–1582 AD)
• Kara Koyunlu (1375–1468 AD)
• Musha'sha'iyyah dynasty (1436–1729 AD)
• Safavid dynasty (1501–1736 AD)
• Baku Khanate (1592–1806 AD)
• Erivan khanate (1604–1828)
• Afsharid dynasty (1736–1796 AD)
• Ganja khanate (1747–1804 AD)
• Talysh Khanate (1747–1828 AD)
• Nakhichevan Khanate (1747–1813 AD)
• Karabakh Khanate (1747–1822 AD)
• Shirvan Khanate (1748–1820 AD)
• Zand dynasty (1750–1794 AD)
• Qajar dynasty (1785–1925 AD)
• Pahlavi dynasty (1925–1979 AD)

India

• Bahmani Sultanate (1347–1527 AD)
• Jaunpur Sultanate (1394–1479 AD)
• Bidar Sultanate (1489–1619 AD)
• Berar Sultanate (1490–1572 AD)
• Ahmadnagar Sultanate (1490–1636 AD)
• Qutb Shahi dynasty (1518–1687 AD)
• Adil Shahi dynasty (1527–1686 AD)
• Nawab of Rampur (1719–1949)
• Nawabs of Oudh (1722–1858 AD)
• Nawabs of Bengal (1757–1880)
• Talpur dynasty (1783–1843)
• Hunza (princely state)
• Nagar (princely state)

South-East AsiaEdit

• Daya Pasai (1128–1285 AD).
• Bandar Kalibah
• Moira Malaya
• Kanto Kambar
• Robaromun

East AfricaEdit

• Kilwa Sultanate (957–1506 AD).

YUP, AS WE CAN SEE SHIISM IS TRADITIONALLY NON POLITICAL.

Game. Set. Match.