Overturning Roe Is a Radical, Not Conservative, Choice

[Coyote]

Roe v Wade does stand up to legal scrutiny. That's the problem. Abortion needs to be decided by We the People. That is our system of Government.
Why are you unwilling to allow the people to decide?

“We the people” supported Jim Crowe at one time. Should basic rights be determined by a handful of states i.e. “we the people”?

 

[WelfareQueen]

“We the people” supported Jim Crowe at one time. Should basic rights be determined by a handful of states i.e. “we the people”?

False. Jim Crow legally came into existence in a Supreme Court decision Plessy v Furguson. Look it up.

Our Government is based on Rule by Consent of the Governed. If the Legislature in your State rules abortion is legal the people have spoken. The Legislature are We the People's elected representatives. That is how our Government works.

If the Legislature in your States votes to make abortion illegal and you don't like it, work to vote the bastards out.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You realize abortion will now be decided by the people State by State versus by Judicial Fiat.


So tell me again what you object to?

Overturning Roe Is a radical, not conservative, choice.

Conservativism is supposed to be about opposing abrupt and profound changes; that change, if allowed, should be slow and incremental, consistent with established laws and common expectations.

Most importantly, change should never be forced upon the people from above absent democratic consent and broad consensus – particularly from the courts; conservativism has always opposed tyrants in black robes legislating from the bench in opposition to the will of the people.

Conservativism is clearly dead – overturning Roe is further proof of that; instead, we have radical rightwing extremism inconsistently administered by blind partisan ideologues.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Should basic rights be determined by a handful of states i.e. “we the people”?

If that’s the case then our rights are not inalienable, they’re subject to the capricious whims of partisan politics, not safeguarded by the Constitution, contrary to the intent of the Framers – indeed, our rights cease to exist altogether.

 

[JoeB131]

False. Jim Crow legally came into existence in a Supreme Court decision Plessy v Furguson. Look it up.

Um, no. Jim Crow laws were imposed almost as soon as Reconstruction ended... Plessy just gave them judicial approval.

Our Government is based on Rule by Consent of the Governed. If the Legislature in your State rules abortion is legal the people have spoken. The Legislature are We the People's elected representatives. That is how our Government works.

So if your state legislature passes a law banning private gun ownership, then you are going to be totally cool with that, right?

If the Legislature in your States votes to make abortion illegal and you don't like it, work to vote the bastards out.

Which they will... but how many women are going to get maimed waiting for that to happen?

 

[WelfareQueen]

Overturning Roe Is a radical, not conservative, choice.

Conservativism is supposed to be about opposing abrupt and profound changes; that change, if allowed, should be slow and incremental, consistent with established laws and common expectations.

Most importantly, change should never be forced upon the people from above absent democratic consent and broad consensus – particularly from the courts; conservativism has always opposed tyrants in black robes legislating from the bench in opposition to the will of the people.

Conservativism is clearly dead – overturning Roe is further proof of that; instead, we have radical rightwing extremism inconsistently administered by blind partisan ideologues.

Got it. You believe in Left-Wing Totalitarianism where the Will of the People means nothing and is crushed under a Progressive jack boot.

Fortunately for the rest of us, that is not our system of Government.

 

[Rigby5]

The whole point of the 14th amendment is to prohibit infringement of individual rights by states.
And what could possibly be more important of an individual right than the ability to choose your own religious, medical, family, and privacy beliefs over abortion?
How could states possibly have any standing at all, given that it is a personal, private, and family decision about medical procedures and religious beliefs?

 

[Flash]

 

[Rigby5]

Got it. You believe in Left-Wing Totalitarianism where the Will of the People means nothing and is crushed under a Progressive jack boot.

Fortunately for the rest of us, that is not our system of Government.

The polls say over 74% of the people want abortion rights and do NOT want Roe Vs Wade to be over turned.

The people who do want to over turn Roe Vs Wade are a small minority of wealthy elite or religious extremists who want to dictate.
States are NOT the will of the people.

 

[Rigby5]

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Embryos are not "kids".
And those who have abortions are just delaying families, and usually have them later.
So the population is the same.
No one is being killed.
Later families simply are more prosperous and healthy.

 

[Rigby5]

False. Jim Crow legally came into existence in a Supreme Court decision Plessy v Furguson. Look it up.

Our Government is based on Rule by Consent of the Governed. If the Legislature in your State rules abortion is legal the people have spoken. The Legislature are We the People's elected representatives. That is how our Government works.

If the Legislature in your States votes to make abortion illegal and you don't like it, work to vote the bastards out.

Wrong.
Plessy vs Ferguson was not until 1896, about 40 years after Jim Crow laws started.
And Plessy vs Ferguson did NOT rule in favor of discrimination, but instead the red herring of "separate but equal".
Separate but equal is not illegal, but was never the intend of the Jim Crow laws.
The Jim Crow laws always intended to infringe upon the rights of Blacks by discriminating against them with vastly unequal accommodations.

 

[BS Filter]

The whole point of the 14th amendment is to prohibit infringement of individual rights by states.
And what could possibly be more important of an individual right than the ability to choose your own religious, medical, family, and privacy beliefs over abortion?
How could states possibly have any standing at all, given that it is a personal, private, and family decision about medical procedures and religious beliefs?

What was the intent and purpose of the 14th Amendment?

 

[Flash]

This is great. The last thing this country needs is for Liberals to reproduce.


Vasectomies are up 900% since the Roe reversal. Liberal men getting “fixed” gives me great hope for the future of our country.

Will (@notBilly) July 1, 2022

 

[Mashmont]

“America is a different place, with most of its population born after Roe was decided. And a decision to overturn Roe — which the court seems poised to do, according to the leak of a draft of a majority opinion from Justice Samuel Alito — would do more to replicate Roe’s damage than to reverse it.

It would be a radical, not conservative, choice.

What is conservative? It is, above all, the conviction that abrupt and profound changes to established laws and common expectations are utterly destructive to respect for the law and the institutions established to uphold it — especially when those changes are instigated from above, with neither democratic consent nor broad consensus.”

Opinion | Overturning Roe Is a Radical, Not Conservative, Choice (Published 2022)

An abrupt and profound change to an established law is utterly destructive to respect for the law.

www.nytimes.com

Overturning Roe is therefore repugnant to conservativism – it is radical, extreme, reckless, and irresponsible.

This post is a lie. There is not, nor ever has been broad support for abortion. Most people find sucking out a living baby with a vacuum repulsive. Only the leftwing dimbulbs think it's this sanitary procedure that is about a woman only.

 

[Mashmont]

The Rightwing penchant overturning long established precedent and established late, for putting in political judges and creating tbe most politically activist court since FDR almost a century ago….is indeed reckless.

The Supreme Court is losing credibility as being an impartial judiciary is being eroded in the eyes of many American. This isn’t good for our country. Neither is the possible precedent of giving individual rights and then taking them away.

The Supreme Court lost credibility when it allowed 0bamacare and the gay marriage. It's now gaining credibility back.

 

[WelfareQueen]

The polls say over 74% of the people want abortion rights and do NOT want Roe Vs Wade to be over turned.

The people who do want to over turn Roe Vs Wade are a small minority of wealthy elite or religious extremists who want to dictate.
States are NOT the will of the people.

Why are progressives so fearful of allowing the people to decide on abortion versus unelected judges?

 

[JWBooth]

Why are progressives so fearful of allowing the people to decide on abortion versus unelected judges?

The people don’t always read from the progressives script.

 

[hadit]

The polls say over 74% of the people want abortion rights and do NOT want Roe Vs Wade to be over turned.

The people who do want to over turn Roe Vs Wade are a small minority of wealthy elite or religious extremists who want to dictate.
States are NOT the will of the people.

Why do citizens of California think they have standing to overrule the will of the citizens in Alabama?

 

[hadit]

Embryos are not "kids".
And those who have abortions are just delaying families, and usually have them later.
So the population is the same.
No one is being killed.
Later families simply are more prosperous and healthy.

Dollars over lives. And you need to do a little biological research before you claim no one is being killed.

 

[Rigby5]

What was the intent and purpose of the 14th Amendment?

The intent and purpose of the 14th amendment was to prevent states from abusing individual rights.
The rights of Black ex-slaves in particular.
But individual rights are infinite.