Our Solar/Alt Energy Future

[Woodznutz]

I'm no big fan of those gigantic windmills, especially on land, but that's what I meant by "sloppy." Man-on-the-street interviews are comedy, not journalism.

Now they just have to scale up the process to recycle the massive amount of windmill blades that now go to landfills.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Now they just have to scale up the process to recycle the massive amount of windmill blades that now go to landfills.

Yep, and quit making the non-recyclable ones to begin with. But I still refuse to believe their basic design is optimal. I'd love to see how they'd compare in a wind tunnel match against a much simpler, smaller, Mike Waters design. I don't believe his is really "up to 122 times more efficient than existing designs at 14 mph" but that it's at least 122 percent more efficient I have no doubt.

 

[MisterBeale]

You --> We rely hydrocarbons for our energy needs now. We'll be needing even more later. Therefore we must keep relying upon them alone!
Synth --> There are many proven alternatives. Even more in the works. The green ones will at least allow us to stop shitting where we eat!
You --> Harrumphh! False Dichotomy!
Me --> Indeed, you -- not Synth -- commit the fallacy of False Dilemma.

You aren't getting it, THEY ARE NOT ALTERNATIVES. It takes energy, from hydrocarbon sources, to make green energy "alternatives."

 

[MisterBeale]

They already have the "extra energy" required available by the Salton Sea. Power plants that pump hot sea water to the surface, heating recycled fresh water to produce steam, which then powers turbine generators to produce grid electricity, minus what gets used to circulate the fresh water cycle and speed the sea water's normal rise toward the near surface within it's cycle.

Then (hopefully just) add / include gravitational or centrifugal filtering to fractionate out and return all the sludgy crap we don't want back down to well below the Earth's surface.

Note how no hydrocarbons are burned in the process, producing zero CO2 or CH4 additional atmospheric pollution. The entire area is already being polluted naturally by these super hot water spewing vents whether we ever make significantly more practical use of them or not.

I'll just add that your "The Green Agenda is just an extra step" whine is ironic, that being exactly what's being proposed with the extraction of lithium from the Salton Sea. There's nothing inherently wrong with riding along when the horse is already going your way.

Also, all technological transitions obviously take time. What's your hurry? Plus we'd be a lot further ahead if the hydrocarbon cartel hadn't killed the electric car and trolley back in the early 1900s.

Oh, and fuck Facebook. They produce nothing vital to life. Quite the contrary.

Nice attempt at a rebuttal.

You aren't seeing the larger picture here.

Clearly, this Salton Sea plant, is a nice supplementary move, but, in a nation that will approach half a billion people, if this unfettered, and unchecked immigration continues? Nope, this facility will be a drop in the bucket next to consumer demand for vehicles, phones, and all manner of smart devices that will rely on enegy powered by batteries made with this Lithium. You know that, I know that.

Where do you think the energy to make the batteries out of this Lithium will come from? This Geo-thermalvent as well? And how do you think the hundreds of thousands of tons of Lithium gets to those factories? Magic? Or the vent also?


As far as Facebook's data-centers? That is just ONE EXAMPLE of who is using data centers. Google has them, Microsoft has them, many private companies do, how do you think Cambridge Analytics pulled of the stunt they did? . . . and the biggest entity using them? GOVERNMENTS.

Do you even know what cryptocurrencies, or CBDCs are? If the global ruling classes, really took climate change seriously, they would not have all these COP conferences, and these IPCC reports in one hand, while in the other, be having every central bank, in every nation on Earth, planning on rolling out CBDCs in every nation on the planet.

Central Bank Digital Currency to End Inflation

I already supplied you with that information. It is up to you to verify. Are we really going to go backwards? Ok, let's go. You disagree that the Federal Reserve is not a Corporation. Is that still your contention? Do you understand what a "share" means? Where do you feel you posted the...

www.usmessageboard.com

No, the global ruling classes aren't serious about, "global warming." If they were, they would ban all smart devices, and electric cars, IMMEDIATELY. You can't even begin, to imagine the carbon foot print of an autonomous self-driving vehicle or semi in a smart city.

If the global ruling classes were serious about "climate change," data centers that the intelligence agencies, governments, and corporations now rely would be immediately dismantled. Crypto-currencies and CBDCs would be banned, there would be no talk of global IDs and digital vaccine passports. There would be no talk of "cloud computing," or any other such rubbish. However, just the fact that CO2 concentrations in ice cores samples, always happen, historically, AFTER temperature rises, means there is a gaping hole in the hypothesis, and the global leaders, don't truly believe the scam they are dishing out.. . . There is something else going on. . .


Sometimes, I seriously wonder, if you are just an agent for the billionaire ruling global oligarchy, who really does not give two shits about the values of socialism, or someone that never reads anything outside of believe in the praxeology or a predefined dogma.

Honestly, I never thought someone like you could be this obtuse.

 

[MisterBeale]

^"FOX NEWS" LOL

Blackouts and Bias: Clearing Up the Grid Narrative - R Street Institute

In the age of expedience-over-quality media and armchair Twitter “experts,” the struggle for veracity in public discourse has claimed another victim: the cause and fix for the blackouts sweeping the country. Confirmation bias is on full display, as different industry and political segments...

www.rstreet.org

~G~

Yes, you just responded to a pissed off RWer's criticisms of other RWers tweeting just the sort of one-liner crap you do. Tricked you, I know..

Sorry. For a refreshing change of pace, try embracing facts, reality, and stuff:

Energy conservation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not really.

North American Electric Reliability Corporation​

North American Electric Reliability Corporation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

NERC Warns of Mounting Reliability Risks, Urges Preparation for Challenging Summer

An unprecedented array of risks—ranging from capacity shortfalls, extreme weather, extended drought, supply chain issues, cybersecurity, solar PV

www.powermag.com

 

[Woodznutz]

The energy 'crisis' isn't caused by use, but by waste. We're trying to fill a bucket that is full of holes.

 

[Grumblenuts]

You aren't getting it, THEY ARE NOT ALTERNATIVES. It takes energy, from hydrocarbon sources, to make green energy "alternatives."

Good song and video, but where are the microphones, hmmm?

You're joking, right? You seriously think that solar powered stuff requires "hydrocarbon sources"? Show me the fuel tank attached to your neighbor's solar powered path lights..

 

[Grumblenuts]

Not really.

North American Electric Reliability Corporation​

North American Electric Reliability Corporation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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NERC Warns of Mounting Reliability Risks, Urges Preparation for Challenging Summer

An unprecedented array of risks—ranging from capacity shortfalls, extreme weather, extended drought, supply chain issues, cybersecurity, solar PV

www.powermag.com

Not "NERC," silly. "www.rstreet.org"
And another huge swing.. an a miss..

Meet Our President​

R Street and our president Eli Lehrer are one of the “OG’s” when it comes to free-market environmentalism. Read his piece explaining how the free market can solve big problems better than big government.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Honestly, I never thought someone like you could be this obtuse.

Honestly, can't say I've shared that sentiment about you. But, go ahead, presume to lecture me some more about this stuff.. Notice how well you've been batting so far? Who's obtuse?

 

[MisterBeale]

Not "NERC," silly. "www.rstreet.org"
And another huge swing.. an a miss..

https://www.nerc.com/pa/RAPA/ra/Reliability%20Assessments%20DL/NERC_SRA_2022.pdf

 

[Grumblenuts]

Not really.

Yes, really.

 

[Grumblenuts]

The energy 'crisis' isn't caused by use, but by waste. We're trying to fill a bucket that is full of holes.

No one worse than those who offer no solutions and just complain about others actively doing stuff, trying their level best to actually solve problems.

 

[MisterBeale]

The energy 'crisis' isn't caused by use, but by waste. We're trying to fill a bucket that is full of holes.

I don't understand, at all what you mean. No, the crisis is made up of ever increasing demand, not, "waste."

Energy Production and Consumption

Explore data on how energy production and use varies across the world.

ourworldindata.org

 

[Woodznutz]

I don't understand, at all what you mean. No, the crisis is made up of ever increasing demand, not, "waste."

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Energy Production and Consumption

Explore data on how energy production and use varies across the world.

ourworldindata.org

The waste is enormous, almost incalculable. Reduce the waste and we'll be awash in cheap energy.

 

[Woodznutz]

No one worse than those who offer no solutions and just complain about others actively doing stuff, trying their level best to actually solve problems.

Everyone has to help. Sadly, most don't really care.

 

[MisterBeale]

The waste is enormous, almost incalculable. Reduce the waste and we'll be awash in cheap energy.

Please post a link the shows how this "waste," is proven.

 

[MisterBeale]

No one worse than those who offer no solutions and just complain about others actively doing stuff, trying their level best to actually solve problems.

I have explained over and over, that the supposed "solutions," you believe are being offered, aren't, and they are only making the situation we are in, worse.

You are like the person who sees a fire, and thinks, by throwing gasoline on it, you are "doing something," and that is a solution, while others stand around, and would rather let it burn itself out.

You are in denial, and I don't know how to make you see that you are in denial.

 

[sparky]

Sorry. For a refreshing change of pace, try embracing facts, reality, and stuff:

the facts of 'energy conservation' are no more than economic Grumbles

which is only applicable to the great unwashed

until we see some sort of gluttony tax , our energy 'reality' will most likely remain the same

~S~

 

[Woodznutz]

Please post a link the shows how this "waste," is proven.

These are just the tip of the iceberg. What useful energy is produced is wasted on much of what it is used for. For example, food waste, from overproduction, spoilage, and overconsumption is an enormous waste of the energy needed to bring it to the dinner table.

If we spent as much effort on reducing energy waste as we do producing it our energy problems would disappear.

Seven Shocking Facts About Energy Waste

Despite Energy Star appliances and electric vehicles, energy waste is still a problem in the U.S. Not convinced? These seven facts might change your mind.

www.electroind.com

This chart shows just how much energy the US is wasting

The use of renewable energy remains limited.

www.weforum.org

 

[sparky]

These are just the tip of the iceberg. What useful energy is produced is wasted on much of what it is used for. For example, food waste, from overproduction, spoilage, and overconsumption is an enormous waste of the energy needed to bring it to the dinner table.

Seven Shocking Facts About Energy Waste

Despite Energy Star appliances and electric vehicles, energy waste is still a problem in the U.S. Not convinced? These seven facts might change your mind.

www.electroind.com

This chart shows just how much energy the US is wasting

The use of renewable energy remains limited.

www.weforum.org

1. If every American home replaced just one light bulb with an Energy Star bulb, the amount of energy saved could light more than 3 million homes for a year.​

look, they've been sayin' this for decades Woodz

many poco's will send a customer a nastygram re> , 'you're usage is more than your neighbors'

then they call a spark up, retro the whole house, appliances, lights, you name it

and get the same nastygram a year later....

~S~