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I will now create a new thread, viz., "Original Science." We'll see what the Hollies, boys and girls, can present there. Don't hold your breath. - (From Religion Thread)
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In the 1960's, a very fine math teacher, whose name is inconsequential, told his classes, "If you put all the monkeys in the world in a big room with all the typewriters in the world, they would eventually type all the books in the world."

"If an army of monkeys were strumming on typewriters they might write all the books in the British Museum." – Physicist Arthur Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World, 1928

This seemed plausible then and still does today for those who have not examined it carefully.

In point of statistical certainty, monkeys could never type one single page of any book.

Typewriter keyboards have approximately fifty different keys. Including upper case options, this makes roughly one hundred different characters, counting spacing, numbers, case, etc.

For a paragraph of only three hundred characters, the probability of a monkey typing a given text is 1/100 x 1/100 x 1/100... three hundred times. This is equal to 1 in 100 to the 300th power or 1 chance in 10 to the 600th power.

A prominent evolutionary biologist defines "impossible" as 1 chance in 10 to the 40th.

A reasonable definition of "impossible" is one chance in 10 to the 50th power. Ten to the fiftieth grains of sand would fill fifteen spheres the size of our solar system out to Pluto. Imagine putting on a space suit and climbing aboard a hypothetical sand submarine. Pick one of the spheres and travel around to select your choice of any grain anywhere, but you only get one pick! That is the definition of "one chance in" x number. None of us could pick the one unique grain in a small desert on the first try, let alone all the sand on earth.


Q.E.D. Quod Erat Demonstrandum

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Our high school biology teacher repeated before the class a phrase which originated around 1854 and which has been erroneously perpetuated since that date, viz., "Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny." This is supposed to provide compelling evidence of Darwinian evolution.

Students in his biology class were incapable of challenging much less refuting that misinformation. We believed it. We embraced it.



From my website:

“To support his theory, however, Haeckel, whose knowledge of embryology was self-taught, faked some of his evidence. He not only altered his illustrations of embryos but also printed the same plate of an embryo three times, and labeled one a human, the second a dog and the third a rabbit ‘to show their similarity’” (Bowden 1977, 128).
Haeckel was exposed by professor L. Rutimeyer of Basle University. He was charged with fraud by five professors, and ultimately convicted in a university court. During the trial, Haeckel admitted that he had altered his drawings, but sought to defend himself by saying:

“I should feel utterly condemned and annihilated by the admission, were it not that hundreds of the best observers and biologists lie under the same charge. The great majority of all morphological, anatomical, histological, and embryological diagrams are not true to nature, but are more or less doctored, schematized and reconstructed” (Bowden, Malcolm. 1977. Ape-Men: Fact or Fallacy? Bromley, England: Sovereign Publications, p. 128)

Despite this conviction of fraud in 1874, Haeckel's drawings and quote have been reproduced into the twentieth century.

Haeckel, like Darwin, promoted scientific racism:

"The Caucasian, or Mediterranean man (Homo Mediterraneus), has from time immemorial been placed at the head of all the races of men, as the most highly developed and perfect." (The History of Creation, by Ernst Haeckel, 6th edition (1914), volume 2, page 429)

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We will return to the elegance of mathematics to examine the long-standing fraud of humans descending from the Last Universal Common Ancestor (LUCA).

The human body contains at least 20,000 different proteins. The largest one of these is titin, in our muscles. It is composed of a long chain of twenty different amino acids, 33,450 in length.

To compute the probability of any naturalistic (materialistic) construction of the first titin molecule, you must "select" one of twenty amino acids, 33,450 consecutive times. Compute 1/20 to the 33,450th power please. Compare it to 1 in 10 to the 50th power, which is "impossible."

Oh but it gets worse, much, much worse. There are two types (chiralities) of most amino acids, D for "dextrorotary" and L for "levorotary." Our bodies are made of the L form. This compounds the impossibility by 1/2 to the 33,450th power.

There are two kinds of amino acid bonds, peptide and non-peptide. They have an approximately equal likelihood of forming, further compounding the impossibility by 1/2 to the 33,450th power.

There is also the complicating factor of folding the protein. How is this decided?

Multiply this impossible sequence by the more than 20,000 proteins in the human body and compare this science with the "A>B>C>D" you read in biology books describing Darwinian evolution. Science is not alphabeticization as Darwinists like to pretend.



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150 Years of Misnamed "Periodic Table of Elements"

In 1869, Russian chemist Dmitri Mendeleev created what has erroneously called the "periodic table of elements". Adjectives modify the noun immediately following them. When someone gets hit in the eye, we say "The man's black eye," not "the black man's eye." This is the Table of Periodic elements, misnamed by schools, colleges, and scientists everywhere.
The elements are periodic, NOT the table.





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Wood From Air
 
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Sorry this is all I've got. ;)

 
But, but,but...What about Carl Sagan's phony "billions and billions" argument? (He tried to create the illusion of certainty by multiplying probability times infinity.)

Another example refuting this type of pseudoscience is that if you took a typewriter apart and ran it through a washing machine forever, it would never reassemble itself.
 
I will now create a new thread, viz., "Original Science." We'll see what the Hollies, boys and girls, can present there. Don't hold your breath. - (From Religion Thread)
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In the 1960's, a very fine math teacher, whose name is inconsequential, told his classes, "If you put all the monkeys in the world in a big room with all the typewriters in the world, they would eventually type all the books in the world."

"If an army of monkeys were strumming on typewriters they might write all the books in the British Museum." – Physicist Arthur Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World, 1928

This seemed plausible then and still does today for those who have not examined it carefully.

In point of statistical certainty, monkeys could never type one single page of any book.

Typewriter keyboards have approximately fifty different keys. Including upper case options, this makes roughly one hundred different characters, counting spacing, numbers, case, etc.

For a paragraph of only three hundred characters, the probability of a monkey typing a given text is 1/100 x 1/100 x 1/100... three hundred times. This is equal to 1 in 100 to the 300th power or 1 chance in 10 to the 600th power.
Classic straw man argument. If evolution were totally random you'd be right, but, as I'm sure you've been told, it is NOT random.

If you taught 100 monkeys to type and let each type a page, it would be gibberish. Next you cut up Hamlet into 100 pages and assigned each monkey one page of Hamlet to create. You then went through each page typed by a monkey and, comparing it to the page of Hamlet, and removed any letters on the monkey's page that was not in Hamlet. You then send that page back to the monkey for more typing ensuring the letters that were kept appeared in the newly typed page. After only a few iterations you'd have the entire Hamlet typed by monkeys. The editing process is an analog of natural selection.
 
I will now create a new thread, viz., "Original Science." We'll see what the Hollies, boys and girls, can present there. Don't hold your breath. - (From Religion Thread)
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In the 1960's, a very fine math teacher, whose name is inconsequential, told his classes, "If you put all the monkeys in the world in a big room with all the typewriters in the world, they would eventually type all the books in the world."

"If an army of monkeys were strumming on typewriters they might write all the books in the British Museum." – Physicist Arthur Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World, 1928

This seemed plausible then and still does today for those who have not examined it carefully.

In point of statistical certainty, monkeys could never type one single page of any book.

Typewriter keyboards have approximately fifty different keys. Including upper case options, this makes roughly one hundred different characters, counting spacing, numbers, case, etc.

For a paragraph of only three hundred characters, the probability of a monkey typing a given text is 1/100 x 1/100 x 1/100... three hundred times. This is equal to 1 in 100 to the 300th power or 1 chance in 10 to the 600th power.

A prominent evolutionary biologist defines "impossible" as 1 chance in 10 to the 40th.

A reasonable definition of "impossible" is one chance in 10 to the 50th power. Ten to the fiftieth grains of sand would fill fifteen spheres the size of our solar system out to Pluto. Imagine putting on a space suit and climbing aboard a hypothetical sand submarine. Pick one of the spheres and travel around to select your choice of any grain anywhere, but you only get one pick! That is the definition of "one chance in" x number. None of us could pick the one unique grain in a small desert on the first try, let alone all the sand on earth.


Q.E.D. Quod Erat Demonstrandum

_________________

Our high school biology teacher repeated before the class a phrase which originated around 1854 and which has been erroneously perpetuated since that date, viz., "Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny." This is supposed to provide compelling evidence of Darwinian evolution.

Students in his biology class were incapable of challenging much less refuting that misinformation. We believed it. We embraced it.



From my website:

“To support his theory, however, Haeckel, whose knowledge of embryology was self-taught, faked some of his evidence. He not only altered his illustrations of embryos but also printed the same plate of an embryo three times, and labeled one a human, the second a dog and the third a rabbit ‘to show their similarity’” (Bowden 1977, 128).
Haeckel was exposed by professor L. Rutimeyer of Basle University. He was charged with fraud by five professors, and ultimately convicted in a university court. During the trial, Haeckel admitted that he had altered his drawings, but sought to defend himself by saying:

“I should feel utterly condemned and annihilated by the admission, were it not that hundreds of the best observers and biologists lie under the same charge. The great majority of all morphological, anatomical, histological, and embryological diagrams are not true to nature, but are more or less doctored, schematized and reconstructed” (Bowden, Malcolm. 1977. Ape-Men: Fact or Fallacy? Bromley, England: Sovereign Publications, p. 128)

Despite this conviction of fraud in 1874, Haeckel's drawings and quote have been reproduced into the twentieth century.

Haeckel, like Darwin, promoted scientific racism:

"The Caucasian, or Mediterranean man (Homo Mediterraneus), has from time immemorial been placed at the head of all the races of men, as the most highly developed and perfect." (The History of Creation, by Ernst Haeckel, 6th edition (1914), volume 2, page 429)

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We will return to the elegance of mathematics to examine the long-standing fraud of humans descending from the Last Universal Common Ancestor (LUCA).

The human body contains at least 20,000 different proteins. The largest one of these is titin, in our muscles. It is composed of a long chain of twenty different amino acids, 33,450 in length.

To compute the probability of any naturalistic (materialistic) construction of the first titin molecule, you must "select" one of twenty amino acids, 33,450 consecutive times. Compute 1/20 to the 33,450th power please. Compare it to 1 in 10 to the 50th power, which is "impossible."

Oh but it gets worse, much, much worse. There are two types (chiralities) of most amino acids, D for "dextrorotary" and L for "levorotary." Our bodies are made of the L form. This compounds the impossibility by 1/2 to the 33,450th power.

There are two kinds of amino acid bonds, peptide and non-peptide. They have an approximately equal likelihood of forming, further compounding the impossibility by 1/2 to the 33,450th power.

There is also the complicating factor of folding the protein. How is this decided?

Multiply this impossible sequence by the more than 20,000 proteins in the human body and compare this science with the "A>B>C>D" you read in biology books describing Darwinian evolution. Science is not alphabeticization as Darwinists like to pretend.



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150 Years of Misnamed "Periodic Table of Elements"

In 1869, Russian chemist Dmitri Mendeleev created what has erroneously called the "periodic table of elements". Adjectives modify the noun immediately following them. When someone gets hit in the eye, we say "The man's black eye," not "the black man's eye." This is the Table of Periodic elements, misnamed by schools, colleges, and scientists everywhere.
The elements are periodic, NOT the table.





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Wood From Air
You claimed previously you put me on ignore after I challenged the validity of your cut and paste "arguments". Now, you're mwking a real plea for attention by dedicating a thread to me.

Creepy? Nah!

I'm afraid this latest thread is just a compilation (hyper-religious redux) of every old, tired, waste of bandwidth, anti-science rant ever stolen from any of the notorious creationer ministries. Much like some of the other hyper-religious types, your post is little more than a collection of "quotes" you mined from AIG or charlatans from one of the other online ministries.

Firstly, why would think that monkeys, absent sentience and language skills would type out meaningful, coherent sentences? That silly example is just a version of the silly "airliner being assembled when a tornadoe rips through a junkyard" argument. Why would you think that nonsense argument would be taken seriously.

What you might ask yourself is why would the gods create mankind out of dust 6,000 years ago, give him sentience, a special place in the universe, and then give animals such similar abilities—just at a lower “wattage”?

Why did the gods try and fool you by making it seem as though we evolved our characteristics from animals similar to us, who share 99.9% of our DNA, instead of designing humans being qualitatively different. Why would the gods do this, particularly when the bible says man will have dominion over all beasts?

You never bothered to question any of this, right? You were given the gods that were customary as a part of your familial, geographic location and you never questioned any of it?

You are as a child who needs looking after because you lack a critical thinking platform to make valid choices. Look at the terminology of the religion:

Be as a child
Faith alone
Belief, and it shall be
I am the shepherd, you are like sheep…

Notice a theme there? Not once are we extolled: “Rigidly question, for I the LORD hath made thee with a brain, and thee hath the world before thee to explore.” No, instead its surrender the brain I gave you.

Sentient sheep? That’s an oxymoron, no?

Curiously, I addressed Haeckel's drawings earlier. Haeckel's drawings are a favorite of the hyper-religious in their attempts to vilify science. The exaggerated drawings have a life of their own among the extremist creation ministries.

Sone could say that cience is a self-correcting mechanism in that the various disciplines rely on evidence. The evidence points to abiogenesis as the probable start of life, thanks in large part to our understanding of bio- and organic chemistry. The evidence points to evolution as the explanation for the diversity of life on the planet, thanks in large part to two centuries of evidence including fossils, genetics, and geology. The evidence points towards a 14 billion year old universe, thanks in large part to our understanding of physics and cosmology.

On the other hand, why not address your good Christian folks who spent decades running and maintaining a child sex abuse syndicate? Science is self-correcting such that errors are routinely corrected by science. The church's sex abuse syndicate was likely to continue indefinitely until those who were abused finally brought the lurid details to the court system.

Your cut and paste "what are the odds" claim about the ability of biological systems to assemble is standard creationer nonsense that is warehoused at all the creationer ministries. Firstly, the “calculation of odds” assumes that proteins and the building blocks of life formed by chance. However, biochemistry is not chance, making the calculated odds meaningless. Biochemistry produces various, complex chemical products and all of those products then interact in complex ways.

Secondly, the nonsensical “calculation of odds” ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously.

On the other hand, what are the odds that your gods are the "real" gods? Like all of the hyper-religious in these threads, you and the more excitable of the Christian extremists all insist that their polytheistic gods are "the" gods. Why should anyone else accept that? Of all the gods invented by humans, I see your gods as no more likely than any of the other gods.
 
I will now create a new thread, viz., "Original Science." We'll see what the Hollies, boys and girls, can present there. Don't hold your breath. - (From Religion Thread)
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In the 1960's, a very fine math teacher, whose name is inconsequential, told his classes, "If you put all the monkeys in the world in a big room with all the typewriters in the world, they would eventually type all the books in the world."

"If an army of monkeys were strumming on typewriters they might write all the books in the British Museum." – Physicist Arthur Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World, 1928

This seemed plausible then and still does today for those who have not examined it carefully.

In point of statistical certainty, monkeys could never type one single page of any book.

Typewriter keyboards have approximately fifty different keys. Including upper case options, this makes roughly one hundred different characters, counting spacing, numbers, case, etc.

For a paragraph of only three hundred characters, the probability of a monkey typing a given text is 1/100 x 1/100 x 1/100... three hundred times. This is equal to 1 in 100 to the 300th power or 1 chance in 10 to the 600th power.

A prominent evolutionary biologist defines "impossible" as 1 chance in 10 to the 40th.

A reasonable definition of "impossible" is one chance in 10 to the 50th power. Ten to the fiftieth grains of sand would fill fifteen spheres the size of our solar system out to Pluto. Imagine putting on a space suit and climbing aboard a hypothetical sand submarine. Pick one of the spheres and travel around to select your choice of any grain anywhere, but you only get one pick! That is the definition of "one chance in" x number. None of us could pick the one unique grain in a small desert on the first try, let alone all the sand on earth.


Q.E.D. Quod Erat Demonstrandum

_________________

Our high school biology teacher repeated before the class a phrase which originated around 1854 and which has been erroneously perpetuated since that date, viz., "Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny." This is supposed to provide compelling evidence of Darwinian evolution.

Students in his biology class were incapable of challenging much less refuting that misinformation. We believed it. We embraced it.



From my website:

“To support his theory, however, Haeckel, whose knowledge of embryology was self-taught, faked some of his evidence. He not only altered his illustrations of embryos but also printed the same plate of an embryo three times, and labeled one a human, the second a dog and the third a rabbit ‘to show their similarity’” (Bowden 1977, 128).
Haeckel was exposed by professor L. Rutimeyer of Basle University. He was charged with fraud by five professors, and ultimately convicted in a university court. During the trial, Haeckel admitted that he had altered his drawings, but sought to defend himself by saying:

“I should feel utterly condemned and annihilated by the admission, were it not that hundreds of the best observers and biologists lie under the same charge. The great majority of all morphological, anatomical, histological, and embryological diagrams are not true to nature, but are more or less doctored, schematized and reconstructed” (Bowden, Malcolm. 1977. Ape-Men: Fact or Fallacy? Bromley, England: Sovereign Publications, p. 128)

Despite this conviction of fraud in 1874, Haeckel's drawings and quote have been reproduced into the twentieth century.

Haeckel, like Darwin, promoted scientific racism:

"The Caucasian, or Mediterranean man (Homo Mediterraneus), has from time immemorial been placed at the head of all the races of men, as the most highly developed and perfect." (The History of Creation, by Ernst Haeckel, 6th edition (1914), volume 2, page 429)

__________________________

We will return to the elegance of mathematics to examine the long-standing fraud of humans descending from the Last Universal Common Ancestor (LUCA).

The human body contains at least 20,000 different proteins. The largest one of these is titin, in our muscles. It is composed of a long chain of twenty different amino acids, 33,450 in length.

To compute the probability of any naturalistic (materialistic) construction of the first titin molecule, you must "select" one of twenty amino acids, 33,450 consecutive times. Compute 1/20 to the 33,450th power please. Compare it to 1 in 10 to the 50th power, which is "impossible."

Oh but it gets worse, much, much worse. There are two types (chiralities) of most amino acids, D for "dextrorotary" and L for "levorotary." Our bodies are made of the L form. This compounds the impossibility by 1/2 to the 33,450th power.

There are two kinds of amino acid bonds, peptide and non-peptide. They have an approximately equal likelihood of forming, further compounding the impossibility by 1/2 to the 33,450th power.

There is also the complicating factor of folding the protein. How is this decided?

Multiply this impossible sequence by the more than 20,000 proteins in the human body and compare this science with the "A>B>C>D" you read in biology books describing Darwinian evolution. Science is not alphabeticization as Darwinists like to pretend.



___________

150 Years of Misnamed "Periodic Table of Elements"

In 1869, Russian chemist Dmitri Mendeleev created what has erroneously called the "periodic table of elements". Adjectives modify the noun immediately following them. When someone gets hit in the eye, we say "The man's black eye," not "the black man's eye." This is the Table of Periodic elements, misnamed by schools, colleges, and scientists everywhere.
The elements are periodic, NOT the table.





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Wood From Air
Your IDIOTIC disorganized rant is a conflation of long odds of life, complexity, scientific fraud, the periodic table, 'wood from air,' etc, etc.
Incoherent mixing and matching/Spaghetti at the wall.
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Junkyard tornado

The junkyard tornado, also known as Hoyle’s Fallacy, is an argument used to deride the probability of abiogenesis as comparable to "the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747."[1][2][3] I
t was used originally by Fred Hoyle, in which he applied statistical analysis to the origin of life, but similar observations predate Hoyle and have been found all the way back to Darwin's time,[1] and indeed to Cicero in classical times.[4] While Hoyle himself was an atheist, the argument has since become a mainstay of creationist and intelligent design criticisms of evolution.

This argument is Rejected by the vast majority of biologists.
From the modern evolutionary standpoint, while the odds of the sudden construction of higher lifeforms are indeed improbably remote, evolution proceeds in many smaller stages, each driven by natural selection rather than by chance, over a long period of time. The transition as a whole is plausible, as each step improves survivability; the Boeing 747 was not designed in a single unlikely burst of creativity, just as modern lifeforms were not constructed in one single unlikely event, as the junkyard tornado posits.
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Junkyard tornado - Wikipedia



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This argument is Rejected by the vast majority of biologists.
From the modern evolutionary standpoint, while the odds of the sudden construction of higher lifeforms are indeed improbably remote, evolution proceeds in many smaller stages, each driven by natural selection rather than by chance, over a long period of time. The transition as a whole is plausible, as each step improves survivability; the Boeing 747 was not designed in a single unlikely burst of creativity, just as modern lifeforms were not constructed in one single unlikely event, as the junkyard tornado posits.
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Junkyard tornado - Wikipedia



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You are on my Ignore List for good cause. Out of mere curiosity, I wondered what you might POSSIBLY refute in my post, and naturally, you did not disappoint.

The errors in your discussion are these:

1. Natural selection (sic) ONLY operates on mutations, which are necessarily random.
So chance indeed drives the selection by preceding the Magic of *Selection*.
2. The "long period of time" does not change statistics. Whether you flip a coin every second or every 100,000 years, it's 50/50 heads to tails. Whether a random mutation *selects* threonine, tryptophan, or isoleucine today or in 500,000 years, it's 1 chance in 20 the "right" amino acid will be the product of the mutation so that it may be *selected*.
3. Then there is the nature of the chemical bond, which must be a peptide bond, with a 50/50 chance versus a non-peptide bond.
4. After that Magic Mutation, the product has to be folded correctly. What are the odds?
5. Humans have 20,000 + proteins, so do that math, slowly, quickly, it does not matter.
It's impossible any way you pretend to compute "A>B>C>D".
 
You are on my Ignore List for good cause. Out of mere curiosity, I wondered what you might POSSIBLY refute in my post, and naturally, you did not disappoint.

The errors in your discussion are these:

1. Natural selection (sic) ONLY operates on mutations, which are necessarily random.
So chance indeed drives the selection by preceding the Magic of *Selection*.
2. The "long period of time" does not change statistics. Whether you flip a coin every second or every 100,000 years, it's 50/50 heads to tails. Whether a random mutation *selects* threonine, tryptophan, or isoleucine today or in 500,000 years, it's 1 chance in 20 the "right" amino acid will be the product of the mutation so that it may be *selected*.
3. Then there is the nature of the chemical bond, which must be a peptide bond, with a 50/50 chance versus a non-peptide bond.
4. After that Magic Mutation, the product has to be folded correctly. What are the odds?
5. Humans have 20,000 + proteins, so do that math, slowly, quickly, it does not matter.
It's impossible any way you pretend to compute "A>B>C>D".
I'm obviously NOT on your Ignore list but Years of ""you Can't answer list."" (like Seymour Flops here claims now)
You've had HALF the Science sections on some boards on 'Ignore' because Everyone kicked your ass. (35 on one?)
Everyone who disagreed!

Me? I take all serious comers. the tougher the better.

Refute "what"?
Your post is a ******* MESS/Joke. Loony!
'Long odds of life' (I did refute)
'Periodic table'
'Scientific frauds'
'wood from air'
A WACKY MESS of Spaghetti at the wall.

Still more fanciful than your old Long QUOTE MINING Lists that were your Every post!
You remain a very low IQ clown.
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You are on my Ignore List for good cause. Out of mere curiosity, I wondered what you might POSSIBLY refute in my post, and naturally, you did not disappoint.

The errors in your discussion are these:

1. Natural selection (sic) ONLY operates on mutations, which are necessarily random.
So chance indeed drives the selection by preceding the Magic of *Selection*.
Mutation and genetic drift/natural widening.
Any variation or mutation is heritable.


2. The "long period of time" does not change statistics. Whether you flip a coin every second or every 100,000 years, it's 50/50 heads to tails. Whether a random mutation *selects* threonine, tryptophan, or isoleucine today or in 500,000 years, it's 1 chance in 20 the "right" amino acid will be the product of the mutation so that it may be *selected*.

Long/longER period absolutely changes the odds.
What an Idiotic claim.
What are he odds of getting 10 heads in a row after only 10 tosses?
After 1 million tosses?
IDIOT.
What are the odds of winning powerball with one ticket? 250 million:1
With 250 million tickets? Near Even.
Buying 250 million tickets every week for 1 Billion years? guaranteed winner many times over.
No better than just one ticket once?

You're too stupid to debate.

Life? on Quadrillions of planets over 15 billion years in many zeros more micro-conditions?
Earth was Not always conducive to life.
Time does matter.
Time is more chances in the lottery.
to establish any odds you have to not just lay out the absolute odds (such as my powerball above) but the chances/throws/amount of tries/tickets you had to win.
Odds/probability is a TWO SIDED proposition.

Life may be common/odds-on in the universe.

3. Then there is the nature of the chemical bond, which must be a peptide bond, with a 50/50 chance versus a non-peptide bond.
Molecules have natural tendencies and often form long chain complex structure. Some can self-replicate. Amino acids found on meteors.
See my 'Junkyard tornado' thread.

4. After that Magic Mutation, the product has to be folded correctly. What are the odds?
Every human produces plenty of mutations every generation. Most inconsequential: a tiny few may slowly add to improvement, such as IQ from our early ancestors.. and my people vs yours.
(Or more desirable various body features for repro chances)
See my 'junkyard tornado' thread.

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"If an army of monkeys were strumming on typewriters they might write all the books in the British Museum." – Physicist Arthur Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World, 1928

This seemed plausible then and still does today for those who have not examined it carefully.

It's a metaphor for eventuality.
 
You are on my Ignore List for good cause. Out of mere curiosity, I wondered what you might POSSIBLY refute in my post, and naturally, you did not disappoint.

The errors in your discussion are these:

1. Natural selection (sic) ONLY operates on mutations, which are necessarily random.
So chance indeed drives the selection by preceding the Magic of *Selection*.
2. The "long period of time" does not change statistics. Whether you flip a coin every second or every 100,000 years, it's 50/50 heads to tails. Whether a random mutation *selects* threonine, tryptophan, or isoleucine today or in 500,000 years, it's 1 chance in 20 the "right" amino acid will be the product of the mutation so that it may be *selected*.
3. Then there is the nature of the chemical bond, which must be a peptide bond, with a 50/50 chance versus a non-peptide bond.
4. After that Magic Mutation, the product has to be folded correctly. What are the odds?
5. Humans have 20,000 + proteins, so do that math, slowly, quickly, it does not matter.
It's impossible any way you pretend to compute "A>B>C>D".

1. Religious extremists don’t understand that natural selection is the opposite of random. What the hyper-rigious don’t understand is that the forces that act upon biological organisms are not random. Genetic variation might be random, but the natural selection that acts on that variation is not. Adaptation is non-random, as it is the result of objective criteria for fitness.

2. External factors such as environment and mutations cause DNA to change and morph in unpredictable ways. Biological organisms evolve. They evolve in ways that can be unpredictable. You make the mistake common among the hyper-religious of believing that a “long time” only amounts to a few thousand years.

3. Then there is the issue of you reciting what you were indoctrinated with at creation ministries. Your attempts at argument are just cutting and pasting from creation ministries.

4. Humans have invented millions of gods, most of which were invented before your gods. Do the math. Using your silly attempt at analogy, the chances of winning the lottery can be one chance in several million, yet, people still win.

Isn’t that strange. You can’t even get a simple “what are the odds” right.
 
You are on my Ignore List for good cause. Out of mere curiosity, I wondered what you might POSSIBLY refute in my post, and naturally, you did not disappoint.

The errors in your discussion are these:

1. Natural selection (sic) ONLY operates on mutations, which are necessarily random.
So chance indeed drives the selection by preceding the Magic of *Selection*.
2. The "long period of time" does not change statistics. Whether you flip a coin every second or every 100,000 years, it's 50/50 heads to tails. Whether a random mutation *selects* threonine, tryptophan, or isoleucine today or in 500,000 years, it's 1 chance in 20 the "right" amino acid will be the product of the mutation so that it may be *selected*.
3. Then there is the nature of the chemical bond, which must be a peptide bond, with a 50/50 chance versus a non-peptide bond.
4. After that Magic Mutation, the product has to be folded correctly. What are the odds?
5. Humans have 20,000 + proteins, so do that math, slowly, quickly, it does not matter.
It's impossible any way you pretend to compute "A>B>C>D".

You are on my Ignore List for good cause.”

Yet, here you are replying. You’re easily confused, right?
 
You are on my Ignore List for good cause. Out of mere curiosity, I wondered what you might POSSIBLY refute in my post, and naturally, you did not disappoint.

The errors in your discussion are these:

1. Natural selection (sic) ONLY operates on mutations, which are necessarily random.
So chance indeed drives the selection by preceding the Magic of *Selection*.
2. The "long period of time" does not change statistics. Whether you flip a coin every second or every 100,000 years, it's 50/50 heads to tails. Whether a random mutation *selects* threonine, tryptophan, or isoleucine today or in 500,000 years, it's 1 chance in 20 the "right" amino acid will be the product of the mutation so that it may be *selected*.
3. Then there is the nature of the chemical bond, which must be a peptide bond, with a 50/50 chance versus a non-peptide bond.
4. After that Magic Mutation, the product has to be folded correctly. What are the odds?
5. Humans have 20,000 + proteins, so do that math, slowly, quickly, it does not matter.
It's impossible any way you pretend to compute "A>B>C>D".
 

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