I know the question wasn't directed at me, but I absolutely support birthright citizenship.
Even though you cannot explain why birthright citizen is good for your country.
But it certainly hasn't stopped you from bleating it once every three posts or so.
of course it does. If there are 2 women the same age and skill set both illegal 1 has a kid who has birth right citizenship and the other has a kid who is a citizen of X country. We can only deport 1 of these women. Are you really arguing that the 1st woman wouldnt be far less likely to be deported than the 2nd? Are you really arguing that immigration lawyers dont use the fact that a person has a child who is at US citizen as a reason to not deport someone? Are you really arguing that illegal immigrants arent aware of this fact and are having children in the US for this reason?
I don't know if you read my post or not, but I will just repeat it here again anyway:
Illegals know that white people will never separate a baby from her parents, so they come here to have a child, to not only obtain citizenship for her, but also to ensure that they will never be deported back to Mexico, because they are her parents, and breaking up a family like that is not something that white people would contemplate. White people are tender-hearted like that. Mexicans typically do not know this, because they have little contact with white people in their native land. However, there are a lot of CIA agents working all over the world, so this means there are some of them in Mexico, too. I have zero evidence here, but I think it's a fairly good bet to say that the CIA communicated (indirectly, of course) to the Mexicans that they should sneak into the US, have a baby, and the tender-hearted white Americans will have no choice but let them stay.
I think the image promoted by bigots of illegals rushing here to plop down a baby is beyond dishonest.
These people are fleeing violence and terror. But they are the wrong color.
I think you are being manipulative here. Playing on people's heart-string like that. A very typical lefty tactic taught to them by the feds.
Look, it doesn't matter how bad some people have it in their country. It is not the US' responsibility to take care of the world's poor or oppressed or downtrodden. And I am not being heartless here, because the welfare of foreign nationals really is not Americans' responsibility. Every country should properly take care of her own citizens. And if she can't, then it means the government is broken, and then the people should take it upon themselves to figure out how to fix their broken country, instead of illegally sneaking into someone else' country and cry, "Wah we are fleeing violence". Foreigners' misery is not Americans' responsibility.
If you are white, Trump fast tracks your citizenship.
You try to make this about race, but it really isn't. Every country should have her own immigration system, furthermore, she should have complete and total say over who she wants to let into her land as an immigrant. She can have whatever rules, criteria, restrictions..etc she wants, and she should not have to apologize to anybody for it.
If the US wants to admit white people only, I will have zero problem with it. And this is not because I prefer white people, but rather, it's because I believe the US should have the right to self-determination. She should be able to determine for herself what kind of immigrants she wants.
Some members seem to have blind spots or are deliberately obtuse only on some issues. Other times they can demonstrate good common sense. I don't know how they justify serious intellectual dishonesty on those other things though.
I really think that the reason is that these people simply love the idea of handing out citizenship like candy. But only to brown and black people. If someone is white, then suddenly they become totally rational and will present a huge, completely well-thought out list of why this white person shouldn't become citizen.
The waiting line is 14 years. If your life was in danger or your family was starving, would you wait 14 years?
So, playing on people's emotions again, huh? Have you lefties no decency?
Look, almost everybody has some kind of need to fast-track their immigration process, if you look hard enough. And I am not denying that perhaps someone's life might be in danger. However, if we accept this rationale, then we will have to be consistent, and apply it consistently to every applicant, and pretty soon you will find that you have to fast-track everyone, because almost everyone who has the need to try and emigrate to the US, has one burning reason or another, for coming here. So, what are you gonna do?
Also, our quota system is seriously broken. We do not allow anywhere near enough labor supply to meet the demand.
Every time someone has tried to get some immigration reform passed, they are shot down. And that includes Republicans being shot down. Bush was shot down.
You talk as if we all agreed that immigration reform were good. No. We don't.
And maybe the reason it got shot down is because people actually don't want it. But of course, since you lefties want it, that's all that matters, right? Who cares what other Americans want, right?
Immigrants do the shit jobs Americans won't do.
The reason Americans "won't do" these jobs is because they don't pay enough to allow them to live a dignified life. So, the proper solution would actually be to compel businesses to pay decent wages. But that would not sit well with you lefties, because Americans living happy, dignified lives actually causes you physical pain.
You think tasteless cheap jokes like this achieve anything, they don't. Well, actually, they do. They tell us that you lefties are crass, distasteful, offensive people.
No, it's a FACT. A baby is being born somewhere in the US right now. No matter how his parents got here, he IS a citizen. That is a FACT. His parents will be issued a birth certificate indicating his nationality as American. FACT.
Just because being born here entitles one to citizenship, it does not mean it's how it should be. That other dude is right, what should happen is that there are two conditions that must be met in order to be a citizen: 1. being born here, and 2. being born to at least one parent who is a US citizen as well.
You ignore his point because it would prevent illegals from obtaining citizenship for their children. This is the only reason.
Time travel mind reading!
What an utterly stupid thing to say.
We reasonable people call it normal things like inferring or conjecturing or surmising, depending on circumstances. Only unreasonable, offensive people like you put a spin on it and call it "mind-reading". Furthermore, every time a human deals with another human, "mind-reading" is necessarily involved. Nobody knows for certain what another person thinks. We have to guess, or, to people like you, this means we have to try and read minds. When your mother brings you your dinner and tucks you in at night, and you think to yourself, "I can't believe I am 37 and my mother still pampers me. She must love me". Well, guess what? You are also engaged in mind-reading. The only difference between you and him is that there is no time travel involved.
Happens all the time. She has the choice to take her baby with her or leave him with a legal resident relative of some sort.
Most likely, she will do neither. She will just stay in US with her baby, because she knows white people won't make her leave.
The Constitution supports it, and it seems to me that it has been working out pretty well. Babies being born in the US are hardly the crux of our immigration problems. If the government does its job and controls the border, this would be a non-issue. When media reports reference 10 million illegals or whatever the number, they are not talking about 10 million babies.
Another utterly stupid thing to say. You are literally saying that things would have to be hellishly bad, before it will qualify as a real problem.
You, of all people, to say this to someone?
Does it say on your birth certificate how many generations your family has been in the US? No. Why not? Because it doesn't matter. The only legally actionable factor is that you were born in the US.
First of all, it's not about how many generations that one's family has been here. Rather, it's about having been born to at least one US citizen. Of course, you pretend that you don't get this, because you are dishonest.
Secondly, it does matter. People shouldn't just automatically be granted citizenship for having been born here. They should also have been born to at least one US citizen. This is how it should be done, but isn't. And this has turned the system into a huge playground for lefties like you.
It is the current understanding and application of the 14th Amendment, therefore it is the current FACT according to US law.
If something is an "understanding", then it necessarily cannot be a fact. Rather, it belongs to the realm of interpretation. So he was right.
I don't think you know the meaning of either "understanding" or "fact".
But it would, sure as if your great, great whatever washed George Washington's underwear.
I swear that one day I will get used to the offensive way that you speak.
Anyway. A washerwoman or a slave who washed some president's underwear was different from an illegal, because she did not come into the country illegally. Further, just because illegals performed some work in your country, it does not change the fact that they came illegally, and therefore should not have their criminal behavior rewarded. You'd love to, though.
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