One Of Trump's Unconstitutional EOs Is Being Raked Over the Coals By SCOTUS Tomorrow

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I think you touched upon an excellent point.

This isn't just about the letters of the law, rather, it has to do with the spirit of the law. Yes, according to the letters of the law, illegals' children are citizens. However, this goes completely against the spirit of what the law is, and what it means to be a citizen, and who should be a citizen.

It is easy enough to say, "Children who are born on American soil are citizens". Anybody can say that. But it is never just about where one is born. We need to take into account the manner by which this child obtains her citizenship, and we will discover that it is highly unethical and questionable, which should really bother anyone who has integrity and who can tell when people did something wrong.

I think perhaps that many people who see anyone object to this method of gaining a foothold in the U.S. and access to the benefits provided to their offspring BECAUSE the child is a U.S. citizen BECAUSE they were born in the U.S. view such people as not having compassion or empathy for the child. And this of course causes all kinds of accusations.

For some reason, they don't see it as an exploit of a system that wasn't created for this purpose (the 14th Amendment) or to be used or abused in this manner.

 

[Couchpotato]

That's the dumbest thing I have heard here in a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

That states don’t get to determine who is or isn’t a US citizen? You’re next level stupid.

 

[MayorQuimby]

It is not true that the parents cannot be deported just because they have a U.S. born child, the laws just haven't been being enforced at lot. Then there is the whole dilemma of the child not being deported because it's a U.S. citizen and the dilemma of breaking up families, etc.

Thanks for the reply sir.

I will clarify, though. I don't mean that Americans cannot deport illegal parents. Rather, I mean that they will not. White Americans, being the white people that they are, are naturally tender-hearted, and would never consider breaking up families like that. Unfortunately, this admirable trait of theirs is being exploited ruthlessly by the CIA.

 

[g5000]

I think perhaps that many people who see anyone object to this method of gaining a foothold in the U.S. and access to the benefits provided to their offspring BECAUSE the child is a U.S. citizen BECAUSE they were born in the U.S. view such people as not having compassion or empathy for the child. And this of course causes all kinds of accusations.

And those accusations are justified.

 

[MayorQuimby]

And those accusations are justified.

It's pathetic that you lefties try to bully people into adopting your insane stance. What's even more pathetic is that it doesn't even work.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trump has put on a lot of theater for the rubes.

A lot.

One of those performances is EO 14160.

To satisfy the large crowd of bigots in the MAGA ranks, Trump signed an Executive Order on the proverbial Day One of his administration which unconstitutionally violated the 14th Amendment. Having never read the Constitution due to its big words, Trump thought he could get away with it.

So far, every court up the chain of command has slapped Trump's, Nazi Stephen Miller's, and third stringer traitor John Eastman's pointy heads down, and tomorrow the Supreme Court will do the same.

Enter your predictions here for what the score will be when the EO is struck down.

I predict 9-0 against the illegal, unconstitutional, bigoted, hateful EO.

You can listen to the sure-to-be-hilarious arguments tomorrow here:

LISTEN LIVE: Supreme Court hears arguments on Trump’s challenge to birthright citizenship

Birthright citizenship is among several issues the administration has asked the court to deal with on an emergency basis, after lower courts acted to slow Trump’s agenda.

www.pbs.org

Apparently they aren't ruling on the legality of the EO, but on a district court's right to block it "for everyone".

The corrupt Roberts court is at it again. Stare Decisis -- 100 years of jurisprudence -- means nothing to them. And, sadly, I predict the court will side with the President 5-4. And then, lower federal courts will be castrated.

 

[g5000]

It's pathetic that you lefties try to bully people into adopting your insane stance. What's even more pathetic is that it doesn't even work.

Lefty?

"Illegal immigrants in considerable numbers have become productive members of our society and are a basic part of our work force. Those who have established equities in the United States should be recognized and accorded legal status." - Ronald Reagan

There is one, and only one, reason someone opposes birthright citizenship, and that reason is bigotry.

It has ZERO effect on you racist assholes.

As for "lefty", when you are a far right extremist Nazi bigot, EVERYONE else is a "lefty".

You are about to find out everyone on the Supreme Court is a "lefty".

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's pathetic that you lefties try to bully people into adopting your insane stance. What's even more pathetic is that it doesn't even work.

It's pathetic that you think someone telling you that you should care about other people -- even gasp immigrants -- is bullying. This is something you learned when you were 5.

 

[MayorQuimby]

It's pathetic that you think someone telling you that you should care about other people -- even gasp immigrants -- is bullying. This is something you learned when you were 5.

Sigh.

He did not exhort people to care about illegals. He was browbeating and haranguing them for not caring. He accused them of not having compassion or empathy etc. I know that this isn't a very serious case of bullying, but it is still an attempt to get people to adopt a stance, via questionable means that borders on emotional manipulation/blackmailing.

Anyways, I think I will give you about 5 hours to look up the words in my post. I used quite a few big ones. It's gonna take you a while. Take your time, sweetie.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

He did not exhort people to care about illegals. He was browbeating and haranguing them for not caring.

Good! That's how a free society works. That pushback should happen. Not violence, not destruction. Pushback.

he isn't trying to change your mind. He is trying to mock and shame you for being an aspiring sociopath.

To that, I say: Good!

 

[MayorQuimby]

Lefty?

"Illegal immigrants in considerable numbers have become productive members of our society and are a basic part of our work force. Those who have established equities in the United States should be recognized and accorded legal status." - Ronald Reagan

There is one, and only one, reason someone opposes birthright citizenship, and that reason is bigotry.

It has ZERO effect on you racist assholes.

As for "lefty", when you are a far right extremist Nazi bigot, EVERYONE else is a "lefty".

You are about to find out everyone on the Supreme Court is a "lefty".

Yawn

Sorry to shake you out of your delusion, but I am not even white.

Btw, "Wah wah you are an evil racist/bigot"??? Dang, that schtick stopped being funny like 15 years ago. At least get some fresh material, will ya?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Here is the Congressional Record: https://www.14thamendment.us/articles/jacob_howard_on_14th_amendment_1866.gif

The sponsor of the 14th amendment (Jacob Howard) made it crystal clear that birthright citizenship was for everyone, excluding the children of foreign ministers and ambassadors for obvious reasons.


"This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States."


Trump can't do jack shit about it.

How do you interpret foreigners & aliens in the line below? They're referring to the child?

"This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens,..."

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

My parents, their parents, their parents' parents were all American citizens. That is what should make me a citizen. Not the fact that I was born here.

Or simply put "...born to American citizen parents"

 

[MayorQuimby]

Good! That's how a free society works. That pushback should happen. Not violence, not destruction. Pushback.

he isn't trying to change your mind. He is trying to mock and shame you for being an aspiring sociopath.

To that, I say: Good!

In other words: it is OK to bully people.

Just what I suspected all along!!

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

All words were at some point "invented". Even invent. The point being people didnt make up a word that didnt describe something. "Anchor babies" are an actual thing. Prior to someone calling them "anchor babies" they were called babies illegal aliens had to immunize themselves from deportation.

I'm laughing at your comment because it brings to mind another thread I participated in well more than a decade ago in which others also didn't like these infants being referred to as anchor babies. So they were asked what would be a better descriptor and of course the opposition came up with some hilarious ones. Unfortunately, the only one I can remember is"

"You're nothing but a green card to me Baby!"

 

[MayorQuimby]

I'm laughing at your comment because it brings to mind another thread I participated in well more than a decade ago in which others also didn't like these infants being referred to as anchor babies.

Actually, this post reminded me of something about lefties. It seems that lefties are constantly re-inventing the English language (in a bad way). They would come up with a new word, to replace an existing old word which they thought was offensive, and when the new word started being offensive, too, they had to come up with another new one. They just don't seem to realize that it doesn't matter how they try to dress something up differently, if that something is fundamentally, inherently bad, then any new words that you try hard to invent, will take on the same stink. Sadly lefties are oblivious to this.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I'm laughing at your comment because it brings to mind another thread I participated in well more than a decade ago in which others also didn't like these infants being referred to as anchor babies. So they were asked what would be a better descriptor and of course the opposition came up with some hilarious one. Unfortunately, the only one I can remember is"

"You're nothing but a green card to me Baby!"

Sure. As we all know, they definitely would not have had babies otherwise and don't really love their babies. because.... hmmm...

 

[MayorQuimby]

Sure. As we all know, they definitely would not have had babies otherwise and don't really love their babies. because.... hmmm...

Dude you need to lighten up. People were just trying to be funny.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Dude you need to lighten up. People were just trying to be funny.

I hear ya, waspee. lighten up, like a cracka says. Anchor babies, good stuff.

 

[MayorQuimby]

I hear ya, waspee. lighten up, like a cracka says. Anchor babies, good stuff.

I honestly don't understand why this topic causes you so many tears.