Ocean current reversal

[Sunsettommy]

Yep, this thread has reached the point these threads always reach, after my asswhuppings leave you snot-nosed and blubbering. I'd carve another notch in my fascist-smacking still, if that stick hadn't already fallen apart from so many notches.

I make no apologies for my tough love approach to cultists. They have to reach rock bottom before they can get better.

LOL, your delusions have reached the ceiling in your romper room.

I already destroyed Post one misleading crap that Old Rocks was fooled by when it was revealed that the media LIED about what the published paper was stating.

Post #12 LINK

 

[Sunsettommy]

The MSN/IntelliNews story is a substantial over-interpretation of a recent salinity study, not evidence that a major Southern Ocean current has “flipped” in its flow. Here’s what actually happened:

What the underlying research measured

• A paper published June 30 in PNAS documented that, since about 2016, surface salinity in the Antarctic Circumpolar Current (ACC) has increased—the opposite of the freshening models had predicted—as sea-ice melt patterns shifted and deep mixing dynamics changed .
• That study did not include velocity measurements showing the ACC or the Southern Meridional Overturning Circulation (SMOC) reversing direction; it focused on changes in water composition and stratification

Why the “reversal” headline is misleading

• Multiple fact-checks (e.g. Snopes) have confirmed that no major Southern Hemisphere current has been observed to flow backward for the first time; the claim conflates a reversal in salinity trends with a reversal in current velocity .
• Ocean currents like the ACC and SMOC are driven by wind and density gradients. What’s really happening is a weakening (and in paleoclimate past, even collapse) of overturning circulation, but not an outright flow reversal in modern observations .

So what’s actually changing?

• Weakening Overturning: Climate change–driven warming, freshening from ice melt, and shifting winds are slowing the SMOC and ACC, reducing their strength by up to ~50 % under high-emissions scenarios by mid-century (but not reversing them) .
• Salinity vs. Flow: The recent paper highlights a salinity reversal (more salt at the surface) for the first time in modern records, which may feedback on stratification and mixing—but that’s distinct from the large-scale flow direction itself.

Bottom line: there is no peer-reviewed evidence that a Southern Ocean current has changed direction; the sensational headlines refer to an unprecedented salinity trend, not a velocity reversal.

I posted the actual paper at post 12, which Old Rocks didn't bother to read thus was fooled by the Media lie as they were not even close to what the paper stated.

 

[Papageorgio]

I posted the actual paper at post 12, which Old Rocks didn't bother to read thus was fooled by the Media lie as they were not even close to what the paper stated.

I saw it, but it just makes him look dumber, he falls for a lot of stupid crap.

Notice how he shifted to fires? lol! His BS is not based on fact.

 

[mamooth]

Translation: I have no rebuttal to the link, because I have no argument against it.

I've rebutted it twice now. And each time, you've deflected with insults and run away in tears.

Thank you for so conclusively demonstrating how deniers are intellectually dishonest and cowardly. I can always count on you to conclusively prove that point for me.

Did you read the paper at all?

Yeah. Especially the part about higher intensity being observed. You skipped that part, very deliberately, since it contradicted your cult teachings.

Intensity. The IPCC was right about that, and they've been right about everything. This isn't a debate. You're just wrong, and no amount of screaming or Gish Gallops of unrelated issues will change that.

Anways, enjoy life as a cult clown hiding out in SafeSpaces. All deniers have to do that now, since they've been laughed out of all actual scientific forums.

 

[Sunsettommy]

I've rebutted it twice now. And each time, you've deflected with insults and run away in tears.

Thank you for so conclusively demonstrating how deniers are intellectually dishonest and cowardly. I can always count on you to conclusively prove that point for me.



Yeah. Especially the part about higher intensity being observed. You skipped that part, very deliberately, since it contradicted your cult teachings.

Intensity. The IPCC was right about that, and they've been right about everything. This isn't a debate. You're just wrong, and no amount of screaming or Gish Gallops of unrelated issues will change that.

Anways, enjoy life as a cult clown hiding out in SafeSpaces. All deniers have to do that now, since they've been laughed out of all actual scientific forums.

You didn't rebut anything you liar!

I post official data that are from the NOAA showing no actual increase in strength of and frequency of Hurricanes it was clear the 1990's was the busiest decade which is obvious in the chart you keep ignoring while you post a paper that is built on modeling scenarios.

Recall this revealing part of the abstract the fool keeps overlooking:

Using observations, climate models, and potential intensity theory, this study introduces a novel rapid attribution framework that quantifies the impact of historically-warming North Atlantic SSTs on observed hurricane maximum wind speeds.

red and black bolding mine

LOL

 

[HikerGuy83]

An ocean current in the South Atlantic reversed for a while for the first time. This could affect the carbon cycle, and create a situation where a portion of the ocean is no longer a carbon sink, but an emitter. Again like portions of the Arctic no longer being a sink but an emitter, we are seeing the beginning of a major tipping point.

MSN

AWESOME

 

[HikerGuy83]

Of course these changes mean nothing. Just ask the people in Europe and our own nation currently fighting fires caused by extreme heating events.

Feel free to connect the dots.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Of course these changes mean nothing. Just ask the people in Europe and our own nation currently fighting fires caused by extreme heating events. Of course, we have had extreme heat before, but not the number of recent heat events. We have had floods before, but not the number of recent events. We have had flash droughts before, just not the number of recent events. And as the people in Texas know, these flood events harm no one, right? Lovely to see you demonstrating your stupidity for the whole world to see.

It's funny to see you talk about demonstrating stupidity since you do such a good job with every post.

Tell you what, Dilbert, why don't you post the data that causes you to make the claims there are more.

 

[HikerGuy83]

we are seeing the beginning of a major tipping point.

Yes....where people simply start ignoring you altogether.

 

[ding]

This is another reason why it's so great to be a liberal.

We know what we're talking about, so we don't have to be cowardly little weasels. We always state a point clearly and directly.

You’re an idiot.

 

[HikerGuy83]

This is another reason why it's so great to be a liberal.

Sure.

You have a whole community of morons who cheer you on as you make a complete ass of yourself.

I am sure it is great to be a part of a team whose motto is: It's better for you to feel smart regardless of the fact that you are anything but smart.

BTW: You are not a liberal. Far from it. You are a left winger. There is a huge difference.

Liberals are always looking for truth. You make it up.

Liberals enjoin other points of view. You can't tolerate them.

Liberals are out front and accept accountability. You hide under your surrogate mother's skirt.

Liberals don't mind being wrong. Well...in that regard you must be like them in that you are wrong all the time and it does not seem to bother you at all.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Did you read the paper at all?



Meanwhile according to the NOAA/National Hurricane Center there is no increase in number of hurricanes or in strength.

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Storminess has not gone up, and there’s been no increase in hurricane strength or frequency … no “emergency” there.

First, the strength.

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And here is the global hurricane frequency, both for all hurricanes and for the strongest hurricanes.

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And here are a century and a half of records of the number of landfalling hurricanes in Florida.

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Finally, here are the declining numbers of both strong and average cyclones (Southern Hemisphere hurricanes) in Australian waters, from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology (BOM).

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Hurricanes were a lot more common in the 1990's and the peak major Hurricane year frequency was 9 years ago.

You are in denial of the OFFICIAL Hurricane data.

mamooth, the moron, schooled again.

That's why I have it on ignore. It's just tough to see how stupid people have become.

 

[Sunsettommy]

mamooth, the moron, schooled again.

That's why I have it on ignore. It's just tough to see how stupid people have become.

I see him in two other forums where he is just as bad and in one forum he gets massive beatings as the people replying his trash are well educated one with a big science degree.

He would never last in my forum as I dislike trolling, flame baiting, insulting postings that he makes by default.

 

[mamooth]

Mamooth, the moron, schooled again.

It's hilarous, seeing my pout stalkers crying for my attention like this.

I live rent-free in their loser minds. They can't debate me, so they just cry at me.

 

[mamooth]

I see him in two other forums

Tommy actually is proud about poutstalking me across multiple forums. He literally thinks it's a flex, that's how obsessed with me he is. It's bizarre. The denier cult attracts some seriously deranged personalities.

Meanwhile, the facts are what they are. Hurricanes have gotten stronger. The IPCC and mainstream science was right about everything for like 50 years running now.

Warming Oceans Made Every Atlantic Hurricane in 2024 Stronger | PBS North Carolina

A study finds climate change has turbocharged Atlantic hurricanes and tropical storms, increasing wind speeds by 9–28 mph and making them a category stronger.

www.pbsnc.org

In contrast, the denier cult and Tommy have a perfect failure record over that past 50 years. That's why they world correctly classifies them as cult clowns, and that's why they have to hide in SafeSpaces and cry at people.

 

[ding]

Tommy actually is proud about poutstalking me across multiple forums. He literally thinks it's a flex, that's how obsessed with me he is. It's bizarre. The denier cult attracts some seriously deranged personalities.

Meanwhile, the facts are what they are. Hurricanes have gotten stronger. The IPCC and mainstream science was right about everything for like 50 years running now.

Warming Oceans Made Every Atlantic Hurricane in 2024 Stronger | PBS North Carolina

A study finds climate change has turbocharged Atlantic hurricanes and tropical storms, increasing wind speeds by 9–28 mph and making them a category stronger.

www.pbsnc.org

In contrast, the denier cult and Tommy have a perfect failure record over that past 50 years. That's why they world correctly classifies them as cult clowns, and that's why they have to hide in SafeSpaces and cry at people.

I’m curious about something. Do you understand that the theoretical GHG effect is immediate and is based upon physics?

 

[Sunsettommy]

Tommy actually is proud about poutstalking me across multiple forums. He literally thinks it's a flex, that's how obsessed with me he is. It's bizarre. The denier cult attracts some seriously deranged personalities.

Meanwhile, the facts are what they are. Hurricanes have gotten stronger. The IPCC and mainstream science was right about everything for like 50 years running now.

Warming Oceans Made Every Atlantic Hurricane in 2024 Stronger | PBS North Carolina

A study finds climate change has turbocharged Atlantic hurricanes and tropical storms, increasing wind speeds by 9–28 mph and making them a category stronger.

www.pbsnc.org

In contrast, the denier cult and Tommy have a perfect failure record over that past 50 years. That's why they world correctly classifies them as cult clowns, and that's why they have to hide in SafeSpaces and cry at people.

Your stupidity never ends as you warble over a SINGLE year 2024 based on the Atlantic while the REST OF THE WORLD was below average for 2024 and still below average to date this year which now includes the well below average season in the Atlantic too, which now at 32% of average season to date.

LOLOLOLOL

LINK

There is NO actual increase in number and power of hurricanes, as per the OFFICIAL NOAA data which I keep showing you which you ignore over and over.

You must dream up ways to be wrong as you are great at it.

2025 Accumulated Cyclone Energy​

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[Sunsettommy]

Come on guys. Leave Mamooth alone. After all he is a medical miracle. The world’s only surviving brain transplant – donor

 

[westwall]

An ocean current in the South Atlantic reversed for a while for the first time. This could affect the carbon cycle, and create a situation where a portion of the ocean is no longer a carbon sink, but an emitter. Again like portions of the Arctic no longer being a sink but an emitter, we are seeing the beginning of a major tipping point.

MSN

Sure are a lot of "coulds" in that screed.

If they would actually put in a "will" I would pay attention.

 

[ding]

Antarctica has had an ice cap off and on (mostly on) for about 30 million years. It’s the Arctic which is driving the glacial cycles of the past 3 million years.