Ocean current reversal

[theHawk]

So you're saying you lied about the study deliberately?

I suppose being busted as a liar does earn you big brownie points in your cult, so you did accomplish that.

What did I “lie” about?

I posted a screen shot of the actual study where they admit they had NO actual data about deaths, they just made it up.

So how did you “bust” me on anything when all I did was post the scientific study itself?

You’re clearly just coping at this point.

 

[Unkotare]

 

[EMH]

What is hilarious that this mamooth does NOT seem aware that this tropical season is off to a very slow start well below average in all regions of the Northern Hemisphere, a little above average in the Southern Hemisphere.

LINK

Mammooo is one of the lowest paid Mossad on USMB...

 

[mamooth]

What did I “lie” about?

I posted a screen shot of the actual study where they admit they had NO actual data about deaths, they just made it up.

The teensty problem being that your screenshot didn't support your big lie.

You keep making it worse. When you're in a liar hole, stop digging

 

[mamooth]

What is hilarious that this mamooth does NOT seem aware that this tropical season is off to a very slow start well below average in all regions of the Northern Hemisphere, a little above average in the Southern Hemisphere.

What's more hilarious is that this cult loser still can't tell the difference between weather and climate.

He always faceplants at the most basic stuff, yet he still expects to be taken seriously. If he can't do a mass cut-and-paste of nonsense from fellow conspiracy losers, he's helpless.

Back to the kiddie table with you, cult boi. Stop bothering the grownups with you weepy babbling.

 

[EMH]

What's more hilarious is that this cult loser still can't tell the difference between weather and climate.

He always faceplants at the most basic stuff, yet he still expects to be taken seriously. If he can't do a mass cut-and-paste of nonsense from fellow conspiracy losers, he's helpless.

Back to the kiddie table with you, cult boi. Stop bothering the grownups with you weepy babbling.

Never underestimate what a stiff dose of truth can do...

Thread 'Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?'

Jun 11, 2023

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice.

What are the parameters of climate that can change?

Ocean levels
Atmospheric thickness
Temperature
Humidity


What controls those?

The amount of ice on the planet. Period. Ocean level is 100% inversely correlated to Earth ice content (on land, not sea ice, which is pathetically small) - duh. Trapped in ice age glacier is compressed gas. When it snows 10 feet, you can compress...

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[mamooth]

Now you are simply LYING as the ACE numbers covered both frequency and duration of storms,

Again, math. Fewer bigger numbers match more smaller numbers. This is such simple stuff, but it flies straight over your head.

As expected, you refused to address my paper that addressed the actual data with the actual facts.

Don't worry. Given your history here and elsewhere, everyone expects you to run when your cult BS is challenged with simple facts, meaning you didn't disappoint anyone.

 

[Sunsettommy]

What's more hilarious is that this cult loser still can't tell the difference between weather and climate.

He always faceplants at the most basic stuff, yet he still expects to be taken seriously. If he can't do a mass cut-and-paste of nonsense from fellow conspiracy losers, he's helpless.

Back to the kiddie table with you, cult boi. Stop bothering the grownups with you weepy babbling.

Once again you present a LYING narrative as I posted the link to back up my statement which you didn't address because you know it is factually supported, your endless flame baiting trolling is all you can do.

Here is the LINK he ignored and deliberately leave out,

LINK

You are profoundly dishonest,

 

[theHawk]

The teensty problem being that your screenshot didn't support your big lie.

You keep making it worse. When you're in a liar hole, stop digging

Yet you still haven’t proved it.

Did they have actual data on deaths from that period? Nope.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So 8 years of the Hussein and 4 years of AutoPen didn’t fix the planet?

Yeah! In 2008, where were the tipping points? Obama had 3 terms to lower the seas

 

[mamooth]

Once again

Yep, this thread has reached the point these threads always reach, after my asswhuppings leave you snot-nosed and blubbering. I'd carve another notch in my fascist-smacking still, if that stick hadn't already fallen apart from so many notches.

I make no apologies for my tough love approach to cultists. They have to reach rock bottom before they can get better.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Yep, this thread has reached the point these threads always reach, after my asswhuppings leave you snot-nosed and blubbering. I'd carve another notch in my fascist-smacking still, if that stick hadn't already fallen apart from so many notches.

I make no apologies for my tough love approach to cultists. They have to reach rock bottom before they can get better.

Translation: I have no rebuttal to the link, because I have no argument against it.

Enjoy your latest failure.

Cheers.

 

[ding]

Yep, this thread has reached the point these threads always reach, after my asswhuppings leave you snot-nosed and blubbering. I'd carve another notch in my fascist-smacking still, if that stick hadn't already fallen apart from so many notches.

I make no apologies for my tough love approach to cultists. They have to reach rock bottom before they can get better.

It’s the ocean, dummy. It’s not the atmosphere.

 

[mamooth]

Translation: I have no rebuttal to the link, because I have no argument against it.

I rebutted the link. I'll do it again, by simply pointing out your basic math failure. You seem to think that since 2+2+2 is the same as 3+3, that means 3 isn't bigger than 2. That's the obvious flaw in your "ACE is the same, so hurricanes aren't stronger!" reasoning. Fewer strong hurricanes have the same energy of more smaller ones. And you refused to discuss it, other than screaming that you don't understand how ACE works.

Meanwhile, I have the hard science on my side. I always do.

Radware Bot Manager Captcha

iopscience.iop.org

You refused to even acknowledge the paper before. An honest person doesn't ignore data that's politically inconvenient to them. You do, constantly. Your whole cult does, and that's why you and your cult are considered to be a joke. In contrast, our side never runs. We debunk your nonsense every time you post it.

 

[mamooth]

It’s the ocean, dummy. It’s not the atmosphere.

Were you going somewhere with that astounding piece of information?

If so, please continue.

 

[ding]

Were you going somewhere with that astounding piece of information?

If so, please continue.

Read the OP of the thread you are posting in right now.

 

[mamooth]

Read the OP of the thread you are posting in right now.

This is another reason why it's so great to be a liberal.

We know what we're talking about, so we don't have to be cowardly little weasels. We always state a point clearly and directly.

 

[Sunsettommy]

I rebutted the link. I'll do it again, by simply pointing out your basic math failure. You seem to think that since 2+2+2 is the same as 3+3, that means 3 isn't bigger than 2. That's the obvious flaw in your "ACE is the same, so hurricanes aren't stronger!" reasoning. Fewer strong hurricanes have the same energy of more smaller ones. And you refused to discuss it, other than screaming that you don't understand how ACE works.

Meanwhile, I have the hard science on my side. I always do.

Radware Bot Manager Captcha

iopscience.iop.org

You refused to even acknowledge the paper before. An honest person doesn't ignore data that's politically inconvenient to them. You do, constantly. Your whole cult does, and that's why you and your cult are considered to be a joke. In contrast, our side never runs. We debunk your nonsense every time you post it.

Translation: I have no rebuttal to the link, because I have no argument against it.

 

[Sunsettommy]

I rebutted the link. I'll do it again, by simply pointing out your basic math failure. You seem to think that since 2+2+2 is the same as 3+3, that means 3 isn't bigger than 2. That's the obvious flaw in your "ACE is the same, so hurricanes aren't stronger!" reasoning. Fewer strong hurricanes have the same energy of more smaller ones. And you refused to discuss it, other than screaming that you don't understand how ACE works.

Meanwhile, I have the hard science on my side. I always do.

Radware Bot Manager Captcha

iopscience.iop.org

You refused to even acknowledge the paper before. An honest person doesn't ignore data that's politically inconvenient to them. You do, constantly. Your whole cult does, and that's why you and your cult are considered to be a joke. In contrast, our side never runs. We debunk your nonsense every time you post it.

Did you read the paper at all?

Using observations, climate models, and potential intensity theory, this study introduces a novel rapid attribution framework that quantifies the impact of historically-warming North Atlantic SSTs on observed hurricane maximum wind speeds.

Meanwhile according to the NOAA/National Hurricane Center there is no increase in number of hurricanes or in strength.

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Storminess has not gone up, and there’s been no increase in hurricane strength or frequency … no “emergency” there.

First, the strength.

And here is the global hurricane frequency, both for all hurricanes and for the strongest hurricanes.

And here are a century and a half of records of the number of landfalling hurricanes in Florida.

Finally, here are the declining numbers of both strong and average cyclones (Southern Hemisphere hurricanes) in Australian waters, from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology (BOM).

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Hurricanes were a lot more common in the 1990's and the peak major Hurricane year frequency was 9 years ago.

You are in denial of the OFFICIAL Hurricane data.

 

[Papageorgio]

An ocean current in the South Atlantic reversed for a while for the first time. This could affect the carbon cycle, and create a situation where a portion of the ocean is no longer a carbon sink, but an emitter. Again like portions of the Arctic no longer being a sink but an emitter, we are seeing the beginning of a major tipping point.

MSN

The MSN/IntelliNews story is a substantial over-interpretation of a recent salinity study, not evidence that a major Southern Ocean current has “flipped” in its flow. Here’s what actually happened:

What the underlying research measured

• A paper published June 30 in PNAS documented that, since about 2016, surface salinity in the Antarctic Circumpolar Current (ACC) has increased—the opposite of the freshening models had predicted—as sea-ice melt patterns shifted and deep mixing dynamics changed .
• That study did not include velocity measurements showing the ACC or the Southern Meridional Overturning Circulation (SMOC) reversing direction; it focused on changes in water composition and stratification

Why the “reversal” headline is misleading

• Multiple fact-checks (e.g. Snopes) have confirmed that no major Southern Hemisphere current has been observed to flow backward for the first time; the claim conflates a reversal in salinity trends with a reversal in current velocity .
• Ocean currents like the ACC and SMOC are driven by wind and density gradients. What’s really happening is a weakening (and in paleoclimate past, even collapse) of overturning circulation, but not an outright flow reversal in modern observations .

So what’s actually changing?

• Weakening Overturning: Climate change–driven warming, freshening from ice melt, and shifting winds are slowing the SMOC and ACC, reducing their strength by up to ~50 % under high-emissions scenarios by mid-century (but not reversing them) .
• Salinity vs. Flow: The recent paper highlights a salinity reversal (more salt at the surface) for the first time in modern records, which may feedback on stratification and mixing—but that’s distinct from the large-scale flow direction itself.

Bottom line: there is no peer-reviewed evidence that a Southern Ocean current has changed direction; the sensational headlines refer to an unprecedented salinity trend, not a velocity reversal.