Obama can't be prosecuted. You can thank Trump for that.

[BULLDOG]

Oh it's legit alright. There is plent of evidence of it already, we just don't have all of the nuts and bolts yet. When that happens, Americans will see it clearly for the attempted coup that it was.

like rudy said. plenty of theories, no proof.

 

[LeftofLeft]

That's what we're discussing, isn't it?

So we can agree that he was never arrogant or narcissistic about the prize.

Perfect!

I pretty much said that when you quoted his reception speech. My response: “what else was he going to say”.

 

[the watcher]

No evidence is needed for an impeachment

Its all political theater and if the president’s party in the Senate is in total retreat they will vote guilty without irrefutable proof

I don't think that anyone really understands that. Congress decides whether or not to bring articles of impeachment and they decide what is impeachable. It has nothing to do with civil laws. If there are votes to proceed based on the articles of impeachment it is sent to the Senate for trial. I have no idea where people get that idea.

 

[Nostra]

Lying about President Obama is another one of Trump's failed attempts to deflect from Trump's many faults and failures.

Lies.

 

[Nostra]

There was plenty of collusion between the two parties that Mueller's team found to investigate. It's all in the report.

Such as?

 

[protectionist]

There's zero evidence that they decided to create a false intel assessment. You're conflating any random bullshit that the Trump administration makes up with actual evidence. There's a reason why what Trump's people say in press conferences often has jackshit to do with what they say in court.

And of course, Obama is absolutely untouchable for work done in his official capacity as president. The SCOTUS wrapped that up clean.

This is just more theater for morons. All so your ilk can try and cover up Trump's association with pedophile and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. So much for 'transparency' and 'accountability', eh?

Presidential "official capacity" does not include engaging in a criminal conspiracy". Of course, he can be convicted, and he will be. You know that, and that's why you're in this thread trying to minimize it.

 

[Nostra]

CNN cut away from the Tulsi presser yesterday outlining Barry Hussein’s crimes and said it was because Russia collusion was old news.


‘Funny how it wasn’t old news last week.

 

[Skylar]

Here you go, read up on the evidence that's been released

New Evidence Uncovers Obama-Directed Creation of False Intelligence Report Used to Launch Years-long Coup to Undermine President Trump and the American People | Office of the Director of National Intelligence

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www.dni.gov

The press release is a list of accusations. Those are like assholes, everybody's got them.

I'm looking for the evidence to back those accusations. And I've seen absolutely nothing provided by Bondi or Gabbard that acts as evidence of a coup, sedition, treason, treasonous conspiracy, or election rigging.....or any crime by Obama.

Treason in particular is war against the united states or aid and comfort her enemies. How does the ICA report do that exactly? It strains the meaning of words to silliness.

And the ICA report revisions weren't complete until January 5th of 2017. So how could they have rigged an election in November of 2016? I'm pretty sure even in 2016, cause preceded effect. It didn't follow it by 3 months.

 

[MarathonMike]

This thread doesn't discuss how horrible you might think Obama is, or if he is guilty of treason. None of those thing matter. The SC granted trump, and all presidents immunity from prosecution for anything that can remotely be tied to his powers as president. Can you think of a legal reason why trump was able to walk, but Obama should be charged?
If so, now is the time to educate us all. I look forward to your reasoned legal opinion.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf

It's enough that Teflon Obama FINALLY be held accountable publicly for at least ONE of the illicit acts he orchestrated as President.

 

[Nostra]

Nothing in the report coming from the Barry Hussein regime has any credibility.

 

[Skylar]

Presidential "official capacity" does not include engaging in a criminal conspiracy". Of course, he can be convicted, and he will be. You know that, and that's why you're in this thread trying to minimize it.

An ICA report isn't a criminal conspiracy. Nor is there any evidence that Obama ordered the portions that were debated on Russia's preference for Trump's election be added to that the ICA. Nor any indication of a crime if he did.

And a criminal conspiracy to do what exactly? What crime were they conspiracy to commit? Treason is war against the United States or aid and comfort to her enemies. How does a full review of the ICA on Russian interference in the 2016 election in any way meet that legal definition? And a coup? The closest thing we have in the USC for a coup requires an attempt overthrow or destruction of the US government.

You're going to overthrow the US government with an ICA report? That's silly.

Its layered pseudo-legal nonsense that no one outside of the most rabid MAGA faithful take seriously. Nor has Bondi, Trump, nor Gabbard provided the evidence to support.

 

[struth]

The press release is a list of accusations. Those are like assholes, everybody's got them.

I'm looking for the evidence to back those accusations. And I've seen absolutely nothing provided by Bondi or Gabbard that acts as evidence of a coup, sedition, treason, treasonous conspiracy, or election rigging.....or any crime by Obama.

Treason in particular is war against the united states or aid and comfort her enemies. How does the ICA report do that exactly? It strains the meaning of words to silliness.

And the ICA report revisions weren't complete until January 5th of 2017. So how could they have rigged an election in November of 2016? I'm pretty sure even in 2016, cause preceded effect. It didn't follow it by 3 months.

The press release outlines the evidence discovered, and directs you to the source of that evidence.

In particular the Clinton Annex.

Take time to educate yourself, you've been embarrasing yourself on this thread

Russia is our enemy. Even the Obama admin's report highlighted they were attempting to undermine our democracy. The Obamagate gang gave them aid and comfort by spreading Russian disinformation about the 2016 election and the new Admin

 

[Skylar]

It's enough that Teflon Obama FINALLY be held accountable publicly for at least ONE of the illicit acts he orchestrated as President.

What accountability? Its a story backed by no specific evidence of any actual crime.

I mean, how does ordering a full review of an ICA report constitute.....treason. Which is defined as war against the united states or aid and comfort to her enemies?

How would an ICA report finalized in January......constitute a election rigging for an election that had occurred 2 months earlier in November?

Even the time lines are a confused, gibbering mess. No one outside of MAGA is taking this seriously. Nor is there a any plausible path forward in court for this. As ever meeting cited by Gabbard was absolutely part of Obama's official duties.

 

[Marener]

Using conspiracy and lies

So far all you’ve found are honest assessments. You’re trying to turn the truth into a crime when you don’t like the facts.
You’re trying to turn the political process into a crime when you don’t like the outcome.

Don’t be a sucker.

 

[Marener]

yes by lying to get an impeachment with no actual prroof on any of the claims, Shiff

The impeachment of Trump had ample evidence, which was largely ignored and buried in right wing media.

They asked you to believe wild, improbable things to explain Trump’s corrupt actions. They also asked you to accept that the president can use his political office as a means to attack his political opponents because that’s what they thought would be “best” for the country.

 

[Marener]

The files showing Obama made up Russian collusion to affect Trump's credibility and effectiveness of his presidency. Bondi declassified them.

The only problem is that Obama never claimed there was any collusion.

That’s a huge hole in Bondi’s claim.

 

[postman]

Dude, read much?

Mueller “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

Here's a breakdown of indictments and cases in Mueller's probe

Special counsel Robert Mueller and his team of prosecutors have indicted 34 individuals and three Russian businesses.

abcnews.go.com

In Stone's 24-page indictment, Mueller painted perhaps the clearest picture yet of possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

 

[mudwhistle]

Or release that imaginary evidence to anyone. Wasn't the mantra 'accountability and transparency'. And now your argument has devolved into why you have jackshit to back up any of Trump's claims about Obama.

Maybe the 'irrefutable proof' is sitting next to the Epstein List that Bondi insists doesn't exist? Or beside that imaginary MS-13 tattoo on Garcia's knuckles?

Oh, wait. Its sitting next to what Trump's investigators in Hawaii found about Obama's birth certificate!

Or perhaps its sitting on top of Trump's replacement for Obamacare?

Laughing...all I need to do is believe hard enough! Its like Tinkerbell rules.

You only make yourself look like a hack.

You posts mean nothing.

 

[Skylar]

The press release outlines the evidence discovered, and directs you to the source of that evidence.

In particular the Clinton Annex.

Take time to educate yourself, you've been embarrasing yourself on this thread

Russia is our enemy. Even the Obama admin's report highlighted they were attempting to undermine our democracy. The Obamagate gang gave them aid and comfort by spreading Russian disinformation about the 2016 election and the new Admin

And where pray tell, is the evidence that Obama committed treason.....listed in that press release? Be specific please.

So a report on Russian interference in the US election is war against united states? How does it 'aid and comfort' Russia? None of this makes the slightest sense. It offers zero material support. And the legal definition of treason is constitutionally non-negotiable.

Even your premise is silly. If repeating Russian talking points is treason, then half of MAGA has its head on the chopping block. Thankfully for y'all, its not. Treason requires direct support of an enemy government. And repeating a talking point isn't direct support by any legal definition or application of the law.

The Russians did help Trump's campaign. Unambiguously. The Mueller report confirms this. Whether or not that reflects a preference by the Russians for Trump's election is the issue that was debated. So your working theory is if someone looking at the evidence drew the conclusion that Russia's helping of Trump reflected a preference by the Russians for Trump's electiopn

That they've made war against the United States and can be executed?

Laughing.....good luck with that. This is just theater for morons and will go no where.

 

[BlindBoo]

Such as?

The investigation “identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” and established that the Trump Campaign “showed interest in WikiLeaks's releases of documents and welcomed their potential to damage candidate Clinton”​

• In 2015 and 2016, Michael Cohen pursued a hotel/residence project in Moscow on behalf of Trump while he was campaigning for President.[5] Then-candidate Trump personally signed a letter of intent.
• Senior members of the Trump campaign, including Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, Jr., and Jared Kushner took a June 9, 2016, meeting with Russian nationals at Trump Tower, New York, after outreach from an intermediary informed Trump, Jr., that the Russians had derogatory information on Clinton that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”[6]
• Beginning in June 2016, a Trump associate “forecast to senior [Trump] Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release information damaging to candidate Clinton.”[7] A section of the Report that remains heavily redacted suggests that Roger Stone was this associate and that he had significant contacts with the campaign about Wikileaks.[8]
• The Report described multiple occasions where Trump associates lied to investigators about Trump associate contacts with Russia. Trump associates George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Michael Cohen all admitted that they made false statements to federal investigators or to Congress about their contacts. In addition, Roger Stone faces trial this fall for obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements, and one count of witness tampering.
• The Report contains no evidence that any Trump campaign official reported their contacts with Russia or WikiLeaks to U.S. law enforcement authorities during the campaign or presidential transition, despite public reports on Russian hacking starting in June 2016 and candidate Trump’s August 2016 intelligence briefing warning him that Russia was seeking to interfere in the election.
• The Report raised questions about why Trump associates and then-candidate Trump repeatedly asserted Trump had no connections to Russia.[9]

Key Findings of the Mueller Report | ACS

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl?inline=