Noam Chomsky on Israel: An Apartheid State

[Sweet_Caroline]

People who bother to learn the truth know full well the lies of apartheid.

 

[amity1844]

That's not what he's claiming.

“You have closed borders, but America has closed borders. They don’t allow every Mexican who wants to come in to come in,” de Klerk, who was in Israel to receive an honorary doctorate from Haifa University, told Channel 2.

As opposed to the racial segregation in South Africa, “you have Palestinians living in Israel with full political rights,” and “you don’t have discriminatory laws against them, I mean not letting them swim on certain beaches or anything like that. I think it’s unfair to call Israel an apartheid state. If [Secretary of State John] Kerry did so, I think he made a mistake.”

Still he couched a warning.

“In April Kerry had said that Israel was liable to become an apartheid state if, in the absence of a two-state solution, it chose to annex all or part of the West Bank without granting full citizenship to the Palestinians. He later retracted his remarks.

After the interviewer interjected to clarify that Kerry had stressed that Israel was not at present an apartheid state, de Klerk said that in a future scenario, Israel could only be deemed “apartheid” if it became a binational state and its binational government discriminated against Arabs.

“The test will be, do everybody living then in such a unitary state — will everybody have full political rights? Will everybody enjoy their full human rights? If they will, it’s not an apartheid state,” he said.

The Nobel Peace Prize winner also cautioned Israel that the chance to secure a two-state solution was slowly slipping away, and urged the government to act quickly.

“I’m not saying it’s the right solution for Israel, but there will come in Israel a turning point where if the main obstacles of the moment which exist for a successful two-state solution are not removed, the two-state solution will become impossible,” he said. “So, as an outsider I would say, believing that a two-state solution might be the best one, you’ll have to move fast, see the window of opportunity, jump through it — it might close.”

The former president provided insight into the tactics he had used with Nelson Mandela to reach an agreement to end apartheid, which he compared to “an economic omelet.”

“Once you make an omelet out of eggs,” he said, “you can never separate the yellow and the white again.”

And in ending.

I think the starting point from the Palestinian side is they must acknowledge the right of Israel as a state to exist, and they must say we want to be a good neighbor to their state,” he said then. “And Israel needs to look at offering the Palestinians a geographic state of which they can be proud. So the borders are important, but also from the Arab and Palestinian side, the unqualified acknowledgement of the right of the state of Israel to exist.”

He's rather clear.

I think this is a direct quote of Botha:
P. W. Botha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Without full national status and rights, it sounds like Bantustan.

 

[westwall]

Apartheid is when an Arab man hears about his sister having sex with a Jewish man, and kills her for it

Apartheid is taking a 12 year old boy out of his bed in the middle of the night and sticking him in a prison for throwing a rock.

In the West Bank, the Israeli army regularly deploys soldiers to carry out pre-dawn arrests, rousting minor youths from their beds at 3 and 4 o’clock in the morning. The children are cuffed, taken in an army vehicle to a police station, and questioned aggressively, with neither a guardian nor a lawyer present. It is not uncommon for children as young as eight to be arrested by soldiers on suspicion of throwing stones.

Apartheid is when you don't think twice about torturing children.

Israel Arrests, Tortures 740 West Bank Palestinian Kids in Jan




I swear to God, you don't deserve a country. Not at all.

When a rock hits someone it can kill them, so yeah. He should go to jail for that.

 

[amity1844]

Now document who the targets were.

 

[Sally]

Apartheid is when an Arab man hears about his sister having sex with a Jewish man, and kills her for it

Apartheid is taking a 12 year old boy out of his bed in the middle of the night and sticking him in a prison for throwing a rock.

In the West Bank, the Israeli army regularly deploys soldiers to carry out pre-dawn arrests, rousting minor youths from their beds at 3 and 4 o’clock in the morning. The children are cuffed, taken in an army vehicle to a police station, and questioned aggressively, with neither a guardian nor a lawyer present. It is not uncommon for children as young as eight to be arrested by soldiers on suspicion of throwing stones.

Apartheid is when you don't think twice about torturing children.

Israel Arrests, Tortures 740 West Bank Palestinian Kids in Jan




I swear to God, you don't deserve a country. Not at all.

When a rock hits someone it can kill them, so yeah. He should go to jail for that.

I doubt if any of the Israel bashers would be interested that the Jordan Parliament said you can jail children as young as seven.

 

[irosie91]

My first 'serious' sorta serious job-------actually college time part time job---was in a
LARGE COUNTY HOSPITAL-----acres and acres and dozens of buildings----including the
"children's shelter" (euphemism for jail for kids)-----kids were dragged into the
place in handcuffs for simply being inebriated-----in the same state---a few years ago---
a kid got a HEAVY JAIL sentence----that would KEEP him in jail even when he reached
majority for dropping a cinder block off an overpass-----into traffic ----in another case---
a kid threw a frozen turkey out of the window of a moving car----it managed to cause
an accident that killed a woman----the kid was convicted of manslaughter

rock throwing by little mujahads is often a cover for terrorist actions

 

[westwall]

Now document who the targets were.

I throw a rock into a crowd and don't hit anyone. My intent was to harm someone, I'm just either a piss poor rock thrower or the target was able to duck. Either way the intent was to harm. That's what is punished...the INTENT.

 

[irosie91]

PS ----the little MUJAHADS are not tossing pebbles into ponds---
they FLING ROCKS AT people and moving vehicles-----

 

[westwall]

Apartheid is taking a 12 year old boy out of his bed in the middle of the night and sticking him in a prison for throwing a rock.

Apartheid is when you don't think twice about torturing children.

Israel Arrests, Tortures 740 West Bank Palestinian Kids in Jan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn0pwyh2YUQ


I swear to God, you don't deserve a country. Not at all.

When a rock hits someone it can kill them, so yeah. He should go to jail for that.

I doubt if any of the Israel bashers would be interested that the Jordan Parliament said you can jail children as young as seven.

Yeah, I hear you can kill a woman if she is raped too. Sharia law is pretty fucked up.

 

[irosie91]

Now document who the targets were.

why?

 

[daveman]

So, you're just going to pretend that link with 200 documents Chomsky lies doesn't even exist?

I responded to it!

Whadda ya want, an A&E documentary?

It might be more credible than what you've presented so far.

 

[daveman]

I have commented on them. You're pretending they don't exist.

Chickenshit.

No, you posted a pdf of someone else's opinion.

Chomsky's a liar. Period. It's not opinion -- it's fact.

No one's saying you can't believe his bullshit. You just can't tell us we have to believe his bullshit.

 

[daveman]

Love the food critic analogy.

So did I.

Then you didn't understand it.

 

[daveman]

Apartheid is when an Arab man hears about his sister having sex with a Jewish man, and kills her for it

Apartheid is taking a 12 year old boy out of his bed in the middle of the night and sticking him in a prison for throwing a rock.

In the West Bank, the Israeli army regularly deploys soldiers to carry out pre-dawn arrests, rousting minor youths from their beds at 3 and 4 o’clock in the morning. The children are cuffed, taken in an army vehicle to a police station, and questioned aggressively, with neither a guardian nor a lawyer present. It is not uncommon for children as young as eight to be arrested by soldiers on suspicion of throwing stones.

Apartheid is when you don't think twice about torturing children.

Israel Arrests, Tortures 740 West Bank Palestinian Kids in Jan




I swear to God, you don't deserve a country. Not at all.

Euro-mid Observer For Human Rights- Reports

Not a single report about Palestinian crimes.

Not. A. Single. One.

Biased horseshit is biased.

 

[daveman]

PS ----the little MUJAHADS are not tossing pebbles into ponds---
they FLING ROCKS AT people and moving vehicles-----

But they're throwing them at JOOOOS!! Irrational Jew-haters don't mind that, because they think there's no such thing as an innocent Jew. They're all guilty of being alive while Jewish, and the punishment is death.

 

[Picaro]

Maybe these morons who think rock throwing by some mob is just some harmless kiddie prank would like to prove it by being subjected to it?

 

[irosie91]

Maybe these morons who think rock throwing by some mob is just some harmless kiddie prank would like to prove it by being subjected to it?

I have a suggestion for the IDF-----in order to quell criticism and as a response to those
people who claim "rock throwing" is harmless-----simply respond to rock throwers WITH
ROCKS. A strong rock thrower who knows a bit of anatomy can easily put
a man down with a well aimed rock. am I not brilliant----a kind of extension of the
dictum AN EYE FOR AN EYE

 

[westwall]

Maybe these morons who think rock throwing by some mob is just some harmless kiddie prank would like to prove it by being subjected to it?

I have a suggestion for the IDF-----in order to quell criticism and as a response to those
people who claim "rock throwing" is harmless-----simply respond to rock throwers WITH
ROCKS. A strong rock thrower who knows a bit of anatomy can easily put
a man down with a well aimed rock. am I not brilliant----a kind of extension of the
dictum AN EYE FOR AN EYE

That's not a bad idea. With some training a person with just a little talent can be quite effective.

 

[Picaro]

Maybe these morons who think rock throwing by some mob is just some harmless kiddie prank would like to prove it by being subjected to it?

I have a suggestion for the IDF-----in order to quell criticism and as a response to those
people who claim "rock throwing" is harmless-----simply respond to rock throwers WITH
ROCKS. A strong rock thrower who knows a bit of anatomy can easily put
a man down with a well aimed rock. am I not brilliant----a kind of extension of the
dictum AN EYE FOR AN EYE

Then we will get hysterical articles on how the evil Israelis throw 'different' rocks and are far more vicious with their throwing them than the hapless innocent Arabs are, since the latter are just indulging in little fun games, or something like that. See the 'outrage' over Israeli attacks on rocket and mortar pits versus the complete silence and lack of criticism for Hamas and PLO randomly firing into Israeli neighborhoods.

I wouldn't bother with rock throwing; rubber bullets and shotguns are more effective. Or better yet just demolishing some PLO or Hamas official's house every time an 'incident' occurs, no matter how minor. Make their gangster leadership pay for everything that happens.

 

[Billo_Really]

Euro-mid Observer For Human Rights- Reports

Not a single report about Palestinian crimes.

Not. A. Single. One.

Biased horseshit is biased.

If you can prove anyone of those reports wrong, then they are biased; if you cannot, then they just show how fucked Israel really is.