Noam Chomsky on Israel: An Apartheid State

[Tuatara]

No. They are not opinions. they are facts. Facts that are so damning you're not brave enough to even look at them.

Here they are again. Annotated so you can track down the original source material. Knock yourself out. Or don't, and continue to live your lie. It matters not to me but take your lecturing and shove it up your keester 'cause that's where it belongs.

http://www.paulbogdanor.com/200chomskylies.pdf

Paul Bogdanor is a hack

Prove Me Wrong: Response to Paul Bogdanor's Top 200 Chomsky Lies

 

[westwall]

No. They are not opinions. they are facts. Facts that are so damning you're not brave enough to even look at them.

Here they are again. Annotated so you can track down the original source material. Knock yourself out. Or don't, and continue to live your lie. It matters not to me but take your lecturing and shove it up your keester 'cause that's where it belongs.

http://www.paulbogdanor.com/200chomskylies.pdf

Paul Bogdanor is a hack

Prove Me Wrong: Response to Paul Bogdanor's Top 200 Chomsky Lies

That's amusing. All he did was compile statements that Chomsky has made, collate them, and find the evidence (also duly annotated) that refutes them. The only "hack" is you who refuse to remove the biased blinders from your eyes.

 

[daveman]

No. They are not opinions. they are facts. Facts that are so damning you're not brave enough to even look at them.

Here they are again. Annotated so you can track down the original source material. Knock yourself out. Or don't, and continue to live your lie. It matters not to me but take your lecturing and shove it up your keester 'cause that's where it belongs.

http://www.paulbogdanor.com/200chomskylies.pdf

Paul Bogdanor is a hack

Prove Me Wrong: Response to Paul Bogdanor's Top 200 Chomsky Lies

Wow. What a pile of crap.

 

[Tuatara]

Paul Bogdanor is a hack

Prove Me Wrong: Response to Paul Bogdanor's Top 200 Chomsky Lies

That's amusing. All he did was compile statements that Chomsky has made, collate them, and find the evidence (also duly annotated) that refutes them. The only "hack" is you who refuse to remove the biased blinders from your eyes.

He actually shows how Bogdanor takes Chomsky`s quotes out of context or misconstrued them.

 

[MHunterB]

Oh, gee - some random asshole blogger who makes sure people can link to Alison Weir's poisonous filth....

 

[daveman]

That's amusing. All he did was compile statements that Chomsky has made, collate them, and find the evidence (also duly annotated) that refutes them. The only "hack" is you who refuse to remove the biased blinders from your eyes.

He actually shows how Bogdanor takes Chomsky`s quotes out of context or misconstrued them.

Yeah. A whole page of "Chomsky didn't say what he said!!" Less than compelling.

 

[Billo_Really]

Daveman provided you with a link to his proven lies Billo, it's not my fault you're too chicken to look at what your hero really is.

That's a little strange you'd say that, when it is right after my post addressing Davy-boy's link.

 

[Billo_Really]

amity1844, Tuatara, Billo_Really, et al,

Professor Chomsky is, almost without question, a scholar of the first order. He has a very quick and orderly thought process and the eloquent that would rival Shakespeare himself. He is passionate about his cause, and fearless in pressing the presentation --- and is always prepared to defend his position undauntedly. In modern times, in the contemporary view, Professor Chomsky - as an established intellectual --- unwaveringly challenges the political action of American, America's methodology in the support of Israel, and Israel itself --- in strategies to defend what it is, what it has, and how it continues. There are few in America that have attain star quality in the criticism of American Foreign Policy and political activism like Professor Chomsky. His professional recognition is almost unparalleled, and extensive; being recognized around the world for his contributions.

Having said that, there is something we need to keep in mind. Professor Chomsky is like a World Class Food Critic, able to eat, taste, digest and describe the experience; yet, lacking the culinary art skills or specialization experience in the preparation and presentation of the very à la carte cuisine, pastry, desserts and baking, ethnic cuisine, contemporary cooking that he criticizes. Professor Chomsky have virtually NO experience or expertise in the practical application or formulation of foreign policy, military affairs, or international law enforcement and security; or, any credentials with respect to the presentation of international law or investigations and intelligence. And in that sense, there are members of this very forum, who in that perspective, have more of an understanding than the distinguished professor.

With all the awards and accolades one can attribute to the esteemed Professor Noam Chomsky (and they are vast and varied), he lacks the very simplest of experiences one ascribes to the infantryman under fire, the apprentice diplomat, or the probationary agent in the field; let alone those involved the in actual formulation of foreign policy or its real-world application. Nor has he been instrumental in the mediation of political tension or had the experience of actions in the restoration of peace.

There is, in philosophy, a fallacy of argument known as the "Fallacious Appeal to Authority" (AKA: Argument from False Authority)(that expertise in one area does not automatically confer expertise in another). It is very easy to fall into this trap with Professor Chomsky; no matter his academic and literary credentials.

Noam Chomsky is not only the foremost linguist of modern times, but has also been an outspoken Jewish critic of Israel Here he speaks at Boston University on Israeli Apartheid.

In this interview Chomsky addresses the history of Zionist thought and the Palestinian right of return:

(COMMENT)

There is no question that Professor Chomsky makes some key and important points in his presentation. There is no question that Israel and the US have blundered in there approach to potential solutions and the maintenance of peace relative to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. And in some respects, Professor Chomsky should be commended for his criticisms. But it is just as important to point out that the Arab-Palestinian has just a tainted track record.

Professor Chomsky, in no uncertain terms, calls the US and Israel --- "rogue state." He justifies this simply because the US and Israel, in his opinion, defy international law. But he makes no practical solution that has a reasonable expectation of success given the current political climate and the cultures difference that prevail. In that sense, much of what Professor Chomsky says, is of little or no consequence as it has no real application to the development of a peaceful settlement.

And make no mistake, while Professor Chomsky's presentation generally center on the critique of America and Israel, the lack of respect for international law and the peaceful relationships between states --- as demonstrated by the Arab-Palestinian --- is no less important and critical to the issues.

Most Respectfully,
R

Although some of the things you said, I might take issue with, I have admit, you said them very well!

Kudos on your tome and delivery!

 

[Billo_Really]

So, you're just going to pretend that link with 200 documents Chomsky lies doesn't even exist?

I responded to it!

Whadda ya want, an A&E documentary?

 

[Billo_Really]

I have commented on them. You're pretending they don't exist.

Chickenshit.

No, you posted a pdf of someone else's opinion.

 

[Billo_Really]

Love the food critic analogy.

So did I.

 

[Billo_Really]

Palestinian education system, this kid must be an "honor student"

Israeli judicial system





Now tell me that's not apartheid!

 

[Lipush]

Apartheid is when an Arab man hears about his sister having sex with a Jewish man, and kills her for it

 

[Ropey]

[ame=http://youtu.be/U1vB5FGYKPs]FW De Klerk: "It Is unfair to call Israel an Apartheid state" - Full - YouTube[/ame]

It's about time for a conflated comparison from an appeaser.

 

[Billo_Really]

Apartheid is when an Arab man hears about his sister having sex with a Jewish man, and kills her for it

Apartheid is taking a 12 year old boy out of his bed in the middle of the night and sticking him in a prison for throwing a rock.

In the West Bank, the Israeli army regularly deploys soldiers to carry out pre-dawn arrests, rousting minor youths from their beds at 3 and 4 o’clock in the morning. The children are cuffed, taken in an army vehicle to a police station, and questioned aggressively, with neither a guardian nor a lawyer present. It is not uncommon for children as young as eight to be arrested by soldiers on suspicion of throwing stones.

Apartheid is when you don't think twice about torturing children.

Israel Arrests, Tortures 740 West Bank Palestinian Kids in Jan




I swear to God, you don't deserve a country. Not at all.

 

[Ropey]

^ Can I pick 'em or what.



It is a tactic in the public relations battle. The American public knows Apartheid in South Africa was a terrible thing and Palestinian advocates are trying to use that pre-built condemnation, nothing more and a self-hating Jew is a good slide.

That's why they target the same Christian groups who got together to organize boycotts of South Africa.

 

[Billo_Really]

FW De Klerk: "It Is unfair to call Israel an Apartheid state" - Full - YouTube

It's about time for a conflated comparison from an appeaser.

He's claiming Palestinian's living in Israel proper, enjoy full political rights and that just isn't true.

 

[Billo_Really]

^ Can I pick 'em or what.



It is a tactic in the public relations battle. The American public knows Apartheid in South Africa was a terrible thing and Palestinian advocates are trying to use that pre-built condemnation, nothing more

That's why they target the same Christian groups who got together to organize boycotts of South Africa.

Jew only roads, is apartheid.

Jew only communities, is apartheid.

The Nakba Law, is apartheid.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

 

[Ropey]

That's not what he's claiming.

“You have closed borders, but America has closed borders. They don’t allow every Mexican who wants to come in to come in,” de Klerk, who was in Israel to receive an honorary doctorate from Haifa University, told Channel 2.

As opposed to the racial segregation in South Africa, “you have Palestinians living in Israel with full political rights,” and “you don’t have discriminatory laws against them, I mean not letting them swim on certain beaches or anything like that. I think it’s unfair to call Israel an apartheid state. If [Secretary of State John] Kerry did so, I think he made a mistake.”

Still he couched a warning.

“In April Kerry had said that Israel was liable to become an apartheid state if, in the absence of a two-state solution, it chose to annex all or part of the West Bank without granting full citizenship to the Palestinians. He later retracted his remarks.

After the interviewer interjected to clarify that Kerry had stressed that Israel was not at present an apartheid state, de Klerk said that in a future scenario, Israel could only be deemed “apartheid” if it became a binational state and its binational government discriminated against Arabs.

“The test will be, do everybody living then in such a unitary state — will everybody have full political rights? Will everybody enjoy their full human rights? If they will, it’s not an apartheid state,” he said.

The Nobel Peace Prize winner also cautioned Israel that the chance to secure a two-state solution was slowly slipping away, and urged the government to act quickly.

“I’m not saying it’s the right solution for Israel, but there will come in Israel a turning point where if the main obstacles of the moment which exist for a successful two-state solution are not removed, the two-state solution will become impossible,” he said. “So, as an outsider I would say, believing that a two-state solution might be the best one, you’ll have to move fast, see the window of opportunity, jump through it — it might close.”

The former president provided insight into the tactics he had used with Nelson Mandela to reach an agreement to end apartheid, which he compared to “an economic omelet.”

“Once you make an omelet out of eggs,” he said, “you can never separate the yellow and the white again.”

And in ending.

I think the starting point from the Palestinian side is they must acknowledge the right of Israel as a state to exist, and they must say we want to be a good neighbor to their state,” he said then. “And Israel needs to look at offering the Palestinians a geographic state of which they can be proud. So the borders are important, but also from the Arab and Palestinian side, the unqualified acknowledgement of the right of the state of Israel to exist.”

He's rather clear.

 

[RoccoR]

Snouter, et al,

I thought it was a discussion on the concept of "Apartheid." But it has been all over the road.

Wowsa, folks still arguing over the racism inherent in "jewism" a fake, phony, myth-based apartheid/supremacist ideology and the poor bastard natives to the region.

(COMMENT)

For the most part, the analogy that attempts to make a comparison between Israeli security features - to - South African "Apartheid" is factually incorrect, morally malicious, and historically inaccurate. It is the type of Propaganda intended to delegitimize Israel; and lend legitimacy to Jihadist activity and arm struggle through the incitement of terrorist acts using "Apartheid" as a justification. [Violation of S/RES/1624 (2005)]

The allegation of "Apartheid" tends to incite hostile acts and is motivated by Palestinian extremism. But it also has inadvertent consequences that threaten the social and economic development of the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt), undermines Palestinian stability and prosperity, by focusing the general population's resources and potential in the opposite direction of national building and internal development.

Most Respectfully,
R