Noam Chomsky on Israel: An Apartheid State

[amity1844]

Those photos are phony. That's all I'm saying, and I'm right.

 

[Indeependent]

Those photos are phony. That's all I'm saying, and I'm right.

Always Right.

 

[westwall]

What?

Its just not productive. Its not about Noam Chomsky and you're just looking for an excuse to trash him so you don't have to deal with him. I present right wingers and you've got a problem with them, too, so to me it looks like you can't handle criticism, and above all you can't handle truth. You just try to bury everything.

We don't "need" to trash him silly person. He trashed himself. He is an unethical POS that you lackeys look up to because you're either brainless or lack will power to think for yourselves.

You are the same time of people who manned the walls of the Gulag and concentration camps. Simpletons with no mind of your own.

 

[amity1844]

That is my take on the Zionists, yes. And very like the people who manned Gulag and concentration camps indeed.

 

[Billo_Really]

We don't "need" to trash him silly person. He trashed himself. He is an unethical POS that you lackeys look up to because you're either brainless or lack will power to think for yourselves.

You are the same time of people who manned the walls of the Gulag and concentration camps. Simpletons with no mind of your own.

And you just make baseless accusations in order to trash him because you don't like the things he say's and they hit a little too close to home.

 

[Billo_Really]

It's already been explained to you why his quotes are worthless.

They got to be worth something if you're too afraid to comment on them?

 

[Billo_Really]

Amity loves him because he is advocating the end of the primarily Jewish State. Too bad he doesn't express his views on a " Palestinian" NJA/ No Israelis Allowed Racist " state" . Of course the Pro Palestinian Racist sees nothing wrong with this

Actually, I don't see nothing, because he never advocated that.

You're just making shit up.

 

[Billo_Really]

I'm not emotional dude.

Then you make emotional statements.

I'm relating facts.

You're giving an opinion.

Facts don't give a heck what your emotions are.

I agree.

The facts are that Chomsky has lied for his entire academic career.

Another emotional statement that to date, has not been proven.

The facts are he has supported the totalitarian regimes of Soviet Russia, China, and Pol Pot, and their murder of over a hundred million innocents.

That's not a fact! It's just your opinion. Facts can be proven. And the only proof you provided, did not prove what you said it did.

Those are facts. You let YOUR emotions cloud the fact that he's scum. It is YOU who needs to reign in your emotions.

My emotions? You personally attack anyone who doesn't agree with you and I'm the one with an emotional problem?

 

[Tuatara]

Noam Chomsky is not only the foremost linguist of modern times, but has also been an outspoken Jewish critic of Israel Here he speaks at Boston University on Israeli Apartheid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV3YnZnL99M

In this interview Chomsky addresses the history of Zionist thought and the Palestinian right of return:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRu2mUcFXpg

Noam Chomsky supported the killing fields of Pol Pot. **** Chomsky and every murdering piece of shit who thinks he's somehow smart. He's nothing more than your typical progressive preaching death and destruction.

Any moron who listens to what that despicable POS has to say is likewise nothing more than a despicable swine.

Read if you are able and stop spreading lies.

The boring truth about Chomsky: he does not support Pol Pot - The Drum (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[Billo_Really]

Not going to waste my time listening to a proven liar.

You didn't prove he was a liar and your little pdf didn't either.

Do you know what a lie is?

It is "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive".​

None of those 200 Chomsky statements fit that definition.

But I will specifically address a couple of them...

The Lie: “Western norms require that we compare Eastern and Western Europe to demonstrate our virtue and their vileness, a childish absurdity… Elementary rationality would lead someone interested in alternative social and economic paths to compare societies that were more or less alike before the Cold War began, say Russia or Brazil… Such comparisons, if honestly undertaken, would elicit some self-reflection among decent people…”

The Truth: In Russia, Lenin’s food confiscations inflicted famine on over 33 million people, including 7 million children, and left 4-5 million dead; Stalin’s assault on the peasants killed another 8.5 million, half of them children. Brazil experienced nothing of the kind.

The response: What is the relevance of listing various Soviet crimes? The point is that saying "Our culture is so much better because Britain is a better place to live than the Ukraine" is silly because Britain has been different for centuries. Russia and Brazil started at similar places prior to the Cold War. Since then Brazil has been subjected to US domination and Russia has been subjected to Soviet domination. In some ways perhaps Brazil is better, but in other ways (economically, with regards to access to health services) Russia is better. Honest comparison require that we consider countries that started from similar places. How is this a lie?


The Lie: “In the Soviet sphere of influence, torture appears to have been on the decline since the death of Stalin… Since it has declined in the Soviet sphere since the death of Stalin, it would appear that this cancerous growth is largely a Free World phenomenon.”

The Truth: Until the late 1980s, the Soviets ran 1,000 concentration camps where at least 2 million inmates endured constant violence. Torture was systematic in Soviet satellites in the Third World.

The response: Chomsky cites an Amnesty International report to justify his claim. Regurgitating the findings of respectable investigative human rights agencies is not lying.

I think I'll end this with Chomsky, himself, commenting on the author of your "200 Lie" pdf...

the author understands something known to every commissar. It takes a phrase to produce a lie, a long paragraph to prove that it is a lie. Furthermore, few are going to be interested in checking through the details, so the end result of smut-throwing is to leave an impression that where there is smoke there must be fire. That's the standard way to undermine critical and independent thought, when you know you haven't got a leg to stand on.

All you fuckers do, is trash anyone you disagree with.

You're little babies trying to act like grown ups.

 

[westwall]

We don't "need" to trash him silly person. He trashed himself. He is an unethical POS that you lackeys look up to because you're either brainless or lack will power to think for yourselves.

You are the same time of people who manned the walls of the Gulag and concentration camps. Simpletons with no mind of your own.

And you just make baseless accusations in order to trash him because you don't like the things he say's and they hit a little too close to home.

Daveman provided you with a link to his proven lies Billo, it's not my fault you're too chicken to look at what your hero really is.

 

[westwall]

I'm not emotional dude.

Then you make emotional statements.

I'm relating facts.

You're giving an opinion.
I agree.

Another emotional statement that to date, has not been proven.

The facts are he has supported the totalitarian regimes of Soviet Russia, China, and Pol Pot, and their murder of over a hundred million innocents.

That's not a fact! It's just your opinion. Facts can be proven. And the only proof you provided, did not prove what you said it did.

Those are facts. You let YOUR emotions cloud the fact that he's scum. It is YOU who needs to reign in your emotions.

My emotions? You personally attack anyone who doesn't agree with you and I'm the one with an emotional problem?

No. They are not opinions. they are facts. Facts that are so damning you're not brave enough to even look at them.

Here they are again. Annotated so you can track down the original source material. Knock yourself out. Or don't, and continue to live your lie. It matters not to me but take your lecturing and shove it up your keester 'cause that's where it belongs.

http://www.paulbogdanor.com/200chomskylies.pdf

 

[RoccoR]

amity1844, Tuatara, Billo_Really, et al,

Professor Chomsky is, almost without question, a scholar of the first order. He has a very quick and orderly thought process and the eloquent that would rival Shakespeare himself. He is passionate about his cause, and fearless in pressing the presentation --- and is always prepared to defend his position undauntedly. In modern times, in the contemporary view, Professor Chomsky - as an established intellectual --- unwaveringly challenges the political action of American, America's methodology in the support of Israel, and Israel itself --- in strategies to defend what it is, what it has, and how it continues. There are few in America that have attain star quality in the criticism of American Foreign Policy and political activism like Professor Chomsky. His professional recognition is almost unparalleled, and extensive; being recognized around the world for his contributions.

Having said that, there is something we need to keep in mind. Professor Chomsky is like a World Class Food Critic, able to eat, taste, digest and describe the experience; yet, lacking the culinary art skills or specialization experience in the preparation and presentation of the very à la carte cuisine, pastry, desserts and baking, ethnic cuisine, contemporary cooking that he criticizes. Professor Chomsky have virtually NO experience or expertise in the practical application or formulation of foreign policy, military affairs, or international law enforcement and security; or, any credentials with respect to the presentation of international law or investigations and intelligence. And in that sense, there are members of this very forum, who in that perspective, have more of an understanding than the distinguished professor.

With all the awards and accolades one can attribute to the esteemed Professor Noam Chomsky (and they are vast and varied), he lacks the very simplest of experiences one ascribes to the infantryman under fire, the apprentice diplomat, or the probationary agent in the field; let alone those involved the in actual formulation of foreign policy or its real-world application. Nor has he been instrumental in the mediation of political tension or had the experience of actions in the restoration of peace.

There is, in philosophy, a fallacy of argument known as the "Fallacious Appeal to Authority" (AKA: Argument from False Authority)(that expertise in one area does not automatically confer expertise in another). It is very easy to fall into this trap with Professor Chomsky; no matter his academic and literary credentials.

Noam Chomsky is not only the foremost linguist of modern times, but has also been an outspoken Jewish critic of Israel Here he speaks at Boston University on Israeli Apartheid.

In this interview Chomsky addresses the history of Zionist thought and the Palestinian right of return:

(COMMENT)

There is no question that Professor Chomsky makes some key and important points in his presentation. There is no question that Israel and the US have blundered in there approach to potential solutions and the maintenance of peace relative to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. And in some respects, Professor Chomsky should be commended for his criticisms. But it is just as important to point out that the Arab-Palestinian has just a tainted track record.

Professor Chomsky, in no uncertain terms, calls the US and Israel --- "rogue state." He justifies this simply because the US and Israel, in his opinion, defy international law. But he makes no practical solution that has a reasonable expectation of success given the current political climate and the cultures difference that prevail. In that sense, much of what Professor Chomsky says, is of little or no consequence as it has no real application to the development of a peaceful settlement.

And make no mistake, while Professor Chomsky's presentation generally center on the critique of America and Israel, the lack of respect for international law and the peaceful relationships between states --- as demonstrated by the Arab-Palestinian --- is no less important and critical to the issues.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[daveman]

Those photos are phony. That's all I'm saying, and I'm right.

Your refusal to acknowledge reality in no way affects that reality.

You can screech "The sun comes up in the west!!" all you want -- and tomorrow morning, there it will be, coming up in the east.

 

[daveman]

We don't "need" to trash him silly person. He trashed himself. He is an unethical POS that you lackeys look up to because you're either brainless or lack will power to think for yourselves.

You are the same time of people who manned the walls of the Gulag and concentration camps. Simpletons with no mind of your own.

And you just make baseless accusations in order to trash him because you don't like the things he say's and they hit a little too close to home.

So, you're just going to pretend that link with 200 documents Chomsky lies doesn't even exist?

He depends on useful idiots like you and amity.

 

[daveman]

It's already been explained to you why his quotes are worthless.

They got to be worth something if you're too afraid to comment on them?

I have commented on them. You're pretending they don't exist.

Chickenshit.

 

[daveman]

Not going to waste my time listening to a proven liar.

You didn't prove he was a liar and your little pdf didn't either.

Do you know what a lie is?

It is "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive".​

None of those 200 Chomsky statements fit that definition.

But I will specifically address a couple of them...

The Lie: “Western norms require that we compare Eastern and Western Europe to demonstrate our virtue and their vileness, a childish absurdity… Elementary rationality would lead someone interested in alternative social and economic paths to compare societies that were more or less alike before the Cold War began, say Russia or Brazil… Such comparisons, if honestly undertaken, would elicit some self-reflection among decent people…”

The Truth: In Russia, Lenin’s food confiscations inflicted famine on over 33 million people, including 7 million children, and left 4-5 million dead; Stalin’s assault on the peasants killed another 8.5 million, half of them children. Brazil experienced nothing of the kind.

The response: What is the relevance of listing various Soviet crimes? The point is that saying "Our culture is so much better because Britain is a better place to live than the Ukraine" is silly because Britain has been different for centuries. Russia and Brazil started at similar places prior to the Cold War. Since then Brazil has been subjected to US domination and Russia has been subjected to Soviet domination. In some ways perhaps Brazil is better, but in other ways (economically, with regards to access to health services) Russia is better. Honest comparison require that we consider countries that started from similar places. How is this a lie?


The Lie: “In the Soviet sphere of influence, torture appears to have been on the decline since the death of Stalin… Since it has declined in the Soviet sphere since the death of Stalin, it would appear that this cancerous growth is largely a Free World phenomenon.”

The Truth: Until the late 1980s, the Soviets ran 1,000 concentration camps where at least 2 million inmates endured constant violence. Torture was systematic in Soviet satellites in the Third World.

The response: Chomsky cites an Amnesty International report to justify his claim. Regurgitating the findings of respectable investigative human rights agencies is not lying.

I think I'll end this with Chomsky, himself, commenting on the author of your "200 Lie" pdf...

the author understands something known to every commissar. It takes a phrase to produce a lie, a long paragraph to prove that it is a lie. Furthermore, few are going to be interested in checking through the details, so the end result of smut-throwing is to leave an impression that where there is smoke there must be fire. That's the standard way to undermine critical and independent thought, when you know you haven't got a leg to stand on.

All you fuckers do, is trash anyone you disagree with.

You're little babies trying to act like grown ups.

...says the child weeping because someone dared disrespect his hero.

Nobody's saying you can't believe his bullshit, Billy.

But don't expect to get any respect from normal people for it.

 

[daveman]

amity1844, Tuatara, Billo_Really, et al,

Professor Chomsky is, almost without question, a scholar of the first order. He has a very quick and orderly thought process and the eloquent that would rival Shakespeare himself. He is passionate about his cause, and fearless in pressing the presentation --- and is always prepared to defend his position undauntedly. In modern times, in the contemporary view, Professor Chomsky - as an established intellectual --- unwaveringly challenges the political action of American, America's methodology in the support of Israel, and Israel itself --- in strategies to defend what it is, what it has, and how it continues. There are few in America that have attain star quality in the criticism of American Foreign Policy and political activism like Professor Chomsky. His professional recognition is almost unparalleled, and extensive; being recognized around the world for his contributions.

Having said that, there is something we need to keep in mind. Professor Chomsky is like a World Class Food Critic, able to eat, taste, digest and describe the experience; yet, lacking the culinary art skills or specialization experience in the preparation and presentation of the very à la carte cuisine, pastry, desserts and baking, ethnic cuisine, contemporary cooking that he criticizes. Professor Chomsky have virtually NO experience or expertise in the practical application or formulation of foreign policy, military affairs, or international law enforcement and security; or, any credentials with respect to the presentation of international law or investigations and intelligence. And in that sense, there are members of this very forum, who in that perspective, have more of an understanding than the distinguished professor.

With all the awards and accolades one can attribute to the esteemed Professor Noam Chomsky (and they are vast and varied), he lacks the very simplest of experiences one ascribes to the infantryman under fire, the apprentice diplomat, or the probationary agent in the field; let alone those involved the in actual formulation of foreign policy or its real-world application. Nor has he been instrumental in the mediation of political tension or had the experience of actions in the restoration of peace.

There is, in philosophy, a fallacy of argument known as the "Fallacious Appeal to Authority" (AKA: Argument from False Authority)(that expertise in one area does not automatically confer expertise in another). It is very easy to fall into this trap with Professor Chomsky; no matter his academic and literary credentials.

Noam Chomsky is not only the foremost linguist of modern times, but has also been an outspoken Jewish critic of Israel Here he speaks at Boston University on Israeli Apartheid.

In this interview Chomsky addresses the history of Zionist thought and the Palestinian right of return:

(COMMENT)

There is no question that Professor Chomsky makes some key and important points in his presentation. There is no question that Israel and the US have blundered in there approach to potential solutions and the maintenance of peace relative to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. And in some respects, Professor Chomsky should be commended for his criticisms. But it is just as important to point out that the Arab-Palestinian has just a tainted track record.

Professor Chomsky, in no uncertain terms, calls the US and Israel --- "rogue state." He justifies this simply because the US and Israel, in his opinion, defy international law. But he makes no practical solution that has a reasonable expectation of success given the current political climate and the cultures difference that prevail. In that sense, much of what Professor Chomsky says, is of little or no consequence as it has no real application to the development of a peaceful settlement.

And make no mistake, while Professor Chomsky's presentation generally center on the critique of America and Israel, the lack of respect for international law and the peaceful relationships between states --- as demonstrated by the Arab-Palestinian --- is no less important and critical to the issues.

Most Respectfully,
R

Love the food critic analogy.

Billy and amity and other Chomsky fans are like people who eat a food critic's cooking...it's not very satisfying, and nowhere near the quality of the critiqued food. And they know it, but choose to blame the other chefs.

 

[Roudy]

Those photos are phony. That's all I'm saying, and I'm right.

Shoving your head in the sand ain't gonna make the truth go away. Not even the Palestinians deny the accuracy of these photos, you moron. In fact they're proud of it. You keep painting yourself in these corners and when the truth comes out you sit there and whine "please tell me it ain't so...wa wa wa". Ha ha ha

Ya know, for someone who claims to have lived in Lebanon you're extremely ignorant about a lot of things. But then again, nobody believes a word that you post here anyhow.

Palestinian education system, this kid must be an "honor student"

 

[aris2chat]

Those photos are phony. That's all I'm saying, and I'm right.

Shoving your head in the sand ain't gonna make the truth go away. Not even the Palestinians deny the accuracy of these photos, you moron. In fact they're proud of it. You keep painting yourself in these corners and when the truth comes out you sit there and whine "please tell me it ain't so...wa wa wa". Ha ha ha

Ya know, for someone who claims to have lived in Lebanon you're extremely ignorant about a lot of things. But then again, nobody believes a word that you post here anyhow.

Palestinian education system, this kid must be an "honor student"

....and ami keep lying to him/herself.

Ami is vomiting his/her agenda all over the forum floor