Noam Chomsky on Israel: An Apartheid State

[westwall]

I don't hate them. I despise how they twist history to suit them. Just like I don't hate Goebbels, but I despise what he did that allowed a whole country of people to be turned into a mindless killing machine.

Have you heard of the Townsend Experiment?

Which one? The town in Canada, or the steady state experiment?

 

[daveman]

And yet, oddly, you want us to recognize Palestine.

Can you explain this glaring dichotomy? Degree of difficulty: Explain it rationally.

There you go, mis-quoting me again.

I believe my exact words were, "Why should the Palestinian's recognize Israel, when Israel won't recognize them?"


Quid pro quo, mother-******!

So, you say you don't want anyone to recognize Palestine, then you demand that Israel recognize Palestine.

Have you ever tried to think about what you're going to say before you say it?

There is no Palestine. There is an Israel.

Get over it.

 

[daveman]

I want you to read what you just wrote.

Then I want you to acknowledge how STUPID it is.

Their reports may well be 100% accurate. But there are two sides of this issue, and they cover only ONE side. That's why they're biased -- because they do not report on Palestinian crimes.

If you want to claim that there are no Pal crimes, go ahead. I don't mind you looking even stupider.

I'm not going to claim that, because we both know they do.

Then you acknowledge the site is biased.

 

[Phoenall]

And yet, oddly, you want us to recognize Palestine.

Can you explain this glaring dichotomy? Degree of difficulty: Explain it rationally.

There you go, mis-quoting me again.

I believe my exact words were, "Why should the Palestinian's recognize Israel, when Israel won't recognize them?"


Quid pro quo, mother-******!

Only one problem with that there exists a document that is legal and binding were Israel recognises the state of Palestine and its right to exist behind mutually agreed borders. It is lodged in the UN archives, as is the PLO's document recognising Israel as THE JEWISH STATE and its right to exist as such in peace and behind mutually recognised borders.

Guess you are shown up once again as a semi literate foul mouthed JEW HATER. Care to comment.

 

[Phoenall]

I want you to read what you just wrote.

Then I want you to acknowledge how STUPID it is.

Their reports may well be 100% accurate. But there are two sides of this issue, and they cover only ONE side. That's why they're biased -- because they do not report on Palestinian crimes.

If you want to claim that there are no Pal crimes, go ahead. I don't mind you looking even stupider.

I'm not going to claim that, because we both know they do.

So why ignore the Palestinian crimes and atrocities while singling out those of the Israelis that may or may not be factual. Like the extremely large door knob that you were led to believe was a bullet fired from a 9mm towards a Palestinian. Look closely at the picture and you see the self same shapes on the other doors, talk about being gullible and easily taken in.

 

[Billo_Really]

Only one problem with that there exists a document that is legal and binding were Israel recognises the state of Palestine and its right to exist behind mutually agreed borders. It is lodged in the UN archives, as is the PLO's document recognising Israel as THE JEWISH STATE and its right to exist as such in peace and behind mutually recognised borders.

Not if you're referring to UN Resolution 242. Which tells Israel to get the **** out of the OPT and DOES NOT SAY negotiate borders beforehand.

Do you have ADD? Because you've been *****-slapped on this topic more than once.

Guess you are shown up once again as a semi literate foul mouthed JEW HATER. Care to comment.

Why would I hate Jews?

But I will tell you this, I used to work with an Iranian architect who had Jewish friends that hated YOU! She told me they couldn't stand Israeli's.

 

[Billo_Really]

So why ignore the Palestinian crimes and atrocities while singling out those of the Israelis that may or may not be factual. Like the extremely large door knob that you were led to believe was a bullet fired from a 9mm towards a Palestinian. Look closely at the picture and you see the self same shapes on the other doors, talk about being gullible and easily taken in.

Nope. That's not it at all.

Israel is responsible for 90% of the violence.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that.

Just look at all the people who are personally attacked, because they dared to criticize that fucked up state.

 

[Billo_Really]

Then you acknowledge the site is biased.

There isn't a site out there that is un-biased.

You don't judge the truth or validity of a claim, purely from the website it comes from.

 

[Billo_Really]

So, you say you don't want anyone to recognize Palestine, then you demand that Israel recognize Palestine.

Have you ever tried to think about what you're going to say before you say it?

There is no Palestine. There is an Israel.

Get over it.

That's not what I said.

You either got major comprehension issues, or you're just a big fuckin' *****, who can't deal with reality.

 

[Billo_Really]

Which one? The town in Canada, or the steady state experiment?

I'm sorry, my bad. I don't know where I got Townsend from.

I meant the "Milgram Experiment".

 

[aris2chat]

And yet, oddly, you want us to recognize Palestine.

Can you explain this glaring dichotomy? Degree of difficulty: Explain it rationally.

There you go, mis-quoting me again.

I believe my exact words were, "Why should the Palestinian's recognize Israel, when Israel won't recognize them?"


Quid pro quo, mother-******!

Only one problem with that there exists a document that is legal and binding were Israel recognises the state of Palestine and its right to exist behind mutually agreed borders. It is lodged in the UN archives, as is the PLO's document recognising Israel as THE JEWISH STATE and its right to exist as such in peace and behind mutually recognised borders.

Guess you are shown up once again as a semi literate foul mouthed JEW HATER. Care to comment.

Why Palestine Must Recognize Israel as a Jewish State | The National Interest

.................Why, the Palestinians ask, should they be required to address the question of Israel's character; it is enough that they recognize its right to exist. No, it is not enough. After sixty-six years of Israeli independence and nearly a century of conflict, the Palestinians must recognize Israel for what it is. They are not being asked to define Israel's character, merely to accept its self-definition.

But, rejoin critics of Israel, there is no symmetry here. Whereas Israel is being asked to recognize the right of the Palestinian nation to a state, the Palestinians are being asked to recognize a religious group's claim.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of Jewish history, prevalent even among diaspora Jews. The Jews are unique, in that they are both a religious group and a people, a nation, with a right of self-determination. That is why we speak of the "Jewish people”, a Jewish nationhood, but not a Christian people, or a Muslim people. The Jews’ right to a nation-state was recognized by the League of Nations and United Nations. Israel is and always will be the nation-state of the Jewish people. That is its raison d'être, and it is high time that the Palestinians reconcile themselves to this.

The Palestinians argue that the Israeli demand is merely obstructionist; Israel already defines itself as it wishes and Palestinian recognition will have no bearing on its standing. Formally, this is true. Israel does not need Palestinian recognition to define itself.

What it does need is for the Palestinians to truly and irrevocably recognize Israel as it is, not just the Israeli state, which has guaranteed its existence by achieving military superiority, but the legitimacy of its character. Only when the Palestinians can bring themselves to do so, will Israel be confident that they are truly ready for peace, an end to the conflict and the painful concessions that will be required by all.

In recognizing the Israeli demand, the Palestinians charge, they are in effect being asked to forgo the refugees' “right of return” and adversely affect the standing of Israeli Arabs. Absolutely not. Recognition of the Israeli demand does not preclude the Palestinians’ demand for a “right of return”.

Conversely, it is abundantly clear to anyone truly committed to resolving the conflict, that this is a demand which the Palestinians will have to largely forgo. They can retain it for the meantime, as a negotiating card, but just as Israel will be required to make the major concessions on borders, settlements and Jerusalem, the Palestinians will have to do so on the refugees.

Furthermore, the Palestinians do not speak for Israeli Arabs. They already live in an Israel which defines itself as the nation-state of the Jewish people. Palestinian recognition thereof will not affect their standing—unless, of course, they still harbor hopes of changing Israel's character.

Israel, the Palestinians note, did not ask Egypt and Jordan to recognize its Jewish character as part of the peace agreements with them, just its right to exist. This is true, the difference being that, unlike the Palestinians, they did not claim all of Israel as their own, nor did they maintain that in recognizing Israel in its 1967 borders, they were being forced to cede 78 percent of their homeland, nor did they harbor hopes of return of their populations to Israel itself. With Egypt and Jordan, the conflict was ultimately over the occupied territories of 1967. With the Palestinians it is still over 1948..........

 

[Billo_Really]

Why Palestine Must Recognize Israel as a Jewish State | The National Interest

.................Why, the Palestinians ask, should they be required to address the question of Israel's character; it is enough that they recognize its right to exist. No, it is not enough. After sixty-six years of Israeli independence and nearly a century of conflict, the Palestinians must recognize Israel for what it is. They are not being asked to define Israel's character, merely to accept its self-definition.

But, rejoin critics of Israel, there is no symmetry here. Whereas Israel is being asked to recognize the right of the Palestinian nation to a state, the Palestinians are being asked to recognize a religious group's claim.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of Jewish history, prevalent even among diaspora Jews. The Jews are unique, in that they are both a religious group and a people, a nation, with a right of self-determination. That is why we speak of the "Jewish people”, a Jewish nationhood, but not a Christian people, or a Muslim people. The Jews’ right to a nation-state was recognized by the League of Nations and United Nations. Israel is and always will be the nation-state of the Jewish people. That is its raison d'être, and it is high time that the Palestinians reconcile themselves to this.

The Palestinians argue that the Israeli demand is merely obstructionist; Israel already defines itself as it wishes and Palestinian recognition will have no bearing on its standing. Formally, this is true. Israel does not need Palestinian recognition to define itself.

What it does need is for the Palestinians to truly and irrevocably recognize Israel as it is, not just the Israeli state, which has guaranteed its existence by achieving military superiority, but the legitimacy of its character. Only when the Palestinians can bring themselves to do so, will Israel be confident that they are truly ready for peace, an end to the conflict and the painful concessions that will be required by all.

In recognizing the Israeli demand, the Palestinians charge, they are in effect being asked to forgo the refugees' “right of return” and adversely affect the standing of Israeli Arabs. Absolutely not. Recognition of the Israeli demand does not preclude the Palestinians’ demand for a “right of return”.

Conversely, it is abundantly clear to anyone truly committed to resolving the conflict, that this is a demand which the Palestinians will have to largely forgo. They can retain it for the meantime, as a negotiating card, but just as Israel will be required to make the major concessions on borders, settlements and Jerusalem, the Palestinians will have to do so on the refugees.

Furthermore, the Palestinians do not speak for Israeli Arabs. They already live in an Israel which defines itself as the nation-state of the Jewish people. Palestinian recognition thereof will not affect their standing—unless, of course, they still harbor hopes of changing Israel's character.

Israel, the Palestinians note, did not ask Egypt and Jordan to recognize its Jewish character as part of the peace agreements with them, just its right to exist. This is true, the difference being that, unlike the Palestinians, they did not claim all of Israel as their own, nor did they maintain that in recognizing Israel in its 1967 borders, they were being forced to cede 78 percent of their homeland, nor did they harbor hopes of return of their populations to Israel itself. With Egypt and Jordan, the conflict was ultimately over the occupied territories of 1967. With the Palestinians it is still over 1948..........

And the Nazis wanted to be known as the "Aryan Nation".

What's the difference?

Both are couched in racism.

 

[jillian]

Why Palestine Must Recognize Israel as a Jewish State | The National Interest

.................Why, the Palestinians ask, should they be required to address the question of Israel's character; it is enough that they recognize its right to exist. No, it is not enough. After sixty-six years of Israeli independence and nearly a century of conflict, the Palestinians must recognize Israel for what it is. They are not being asked to define Israel's character, merely to accept its self-definition.

But, rejoin critics of Israel, there is no symmetry here. Whereas Israel is being asked to recognize the right of the Palestinian nation to a state, the Palestinians are being asked to recognize a religious group's claim.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of Jewish history, prevalent even among diaspora Jews. The Jews are unique, in that they are both a religious group and a people, a nation, with a right of self-determination. That is why we speak of the "Jewish people”, a Jewish nationhood, but not a Christian people, or a Muslim people. The Jews’ right to a nation-state was recognized by the League of Nations and United Nations. Israel is and always will be the nation-state of the Jewish people. That is its raison d'être, and it is high time that the Palestinians reconcile themselves to this.

The Palestinians argue that the Israeli demand is merely obstructionist; Israel already defines itself as it wishes and Palestinian recognition will have no bearing on its standing. Formally, this is true. Israel does not need Palestinian recognition to define itself.

What it does need is for the Palestinians to truly and irrevocably recognize Israel as it is, not just the Israeli state, which has guaranteed its existence by achieving military superiority, but the legitimacy of its character. Only when the Palestinians can bring themselves to do so, will Israel be confident that they are truly ready for peace, an end to the conflict and the painful concessions that will be required by all.

In recognizing the Israeli demand, the Palestinians charge, they are in effect being asked to forgo the refugees' “right of return” and adversely affect the standing of Israeli Arabs. Absolutely not. Recognition of the Israeli demand does not preclude the Palestinians’ demand for a “right of return”.

Conversely, it is abundantly clear to anyone truly committed to resolving the conflict, that this is a demand which the Palestinians will have to largely forgo. They can retain it for the meantime, as a negotiating card, but just as Israel will be required to make the major concessions on borders, settlements and Jerusalem, the Palestinians will have to do so on the refugees.

Furthermore, the Palestinians do not speak for Israeli Arabs. They already live in an Israel which defines itself as the nation-state of the Jewish people. Palestinian recognition thereof will not affect their standing—unless, of course, they still harbor hopes of changing Israel's character.

Israel, the Palestinians note, did not ask Egypt and Jordan to recognize its Jewish character as part of the peace agreements with them, just its right to exist. This is true, the difference being that, unlike the Palestinians, they did not claim all of Israel as their own, nor did they maintain that in recognizing Israel in its 1967 borders, they were being forced to cede 78 percent of their homeland, nor did they harbor hopes of return of their populations to Israel itself. With Egypt and Jordan, the conflict was ultimately over the occupied territories of 1967. With the Palestinians it is still over 1948..........

And the Nazis wanted to be known as the "Aryan Nation".

What's the difference?

Both are couched in racism.

only to terrorist supporting trolls like you

 

[Phoenall]

Why Palestine Must Recognize Israel as a Jewish State | The National Interest

.................Why, the Palestinians ask, should they be required to address the question of Israel's character; it is enough that they recognize its right to exist. No, it is not enough. After sixty-six years of Israeli independence and nearly a century of conflict, the Palestinians must recognize Israel for what it is. They are not being asked to define Israel's character, merely to accept its self-definition.

But, rejoin critics of Israel, there is no symmetry here. Whereas Israel is being asked to recognize the right of the Palestinian nation to a state, the Palestinians are being asked to recognize a religious group's claim.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of Jewish history, prevalent even among diaspora Jews. The Jews are unique, in that they are both a religious group and a people, a nation, with a right of self-determination. That is why we speak of the "Jewish people”, a Jewish nationhood, but not a Christian people, or a Muslim people. The Jews’ right to a nation-state was recognized by the League of Nations and United Nations. Israel is and always will be the nation-state of the Jewish people. That is its raison d'être, and it is high time that the Palestinians reconcile themselves to this.

The Palestinians argue that the Israeli demand is merely obstructionist; Israel already defines itself as it wishes and Palestinian recognition will have no bearing on its standing. Formally, this is true. Israel does not need Palestinian recognition to define itself.

What it does need is for the Palestinians to truly and irrevocably recognize Israel as it is, not just the Israeli state, which has guaranteed its existence by achieving military superiority, but the legitimacy of its character. Only when the Palestinians can bring themselves to do so, will Israel be confident that they are truly ready for peace, an end to the conflict and the painful concessions that will be required by all.

In recognizing the Israeli demand, the Palestinians charge, they are in effect being asked to forgo the refugees' “right of return” and adversely affect the standing of Israeli Arabs. Absolutely not. Recognition of the Israeli demand does not preclude the Palestinians’ demand for a “right of return”.

Conversely, it is abundantly clear to anyone truly committed to resolving the conflict, that this is a demand which the Palestinians will have to largely forgo. They can retain it for the meantime, as a negotiating card, but just as Israel will be required to make the major concessions on borders, settlements and Jerusalem, the Palestinians will have to do so on the refugees.

Furthermore, the Palestinians do not speak for Israeli Arabs. They already live in an Israel which defines itself as the nation-state of the Jewish people. Palestinian recognition thereof will not affect their standing—unless, of course, they still harbor hopes of changing Israel's character.

Israel, the Palestinians note, did not ask Egypt and Jordan to recognize its Jewish character as part of the peace agreements with them, just its right to exist. This is true, the difference being that, unlike the Palestinians, they did not claim all of Israel as their own, nor did they maintain that in recognizing Israel in its 1967 borders, they were being forced to cede 78 percent of their homeland, nor did they harbor hopes of return of their populations to Israel itself. With Egypt and Jordan, the conflict was ultimately over the occupied territories of 1967. With the Palestinians it is still over 1948..........

And the Nazis wanted to be known as the "Aryan Nation".

What's the difference?

Both are couched in racism.

So is it not also racist to want to be accepted as the American nation, the Chinese nation, the English/British nation or the Roman nation. Or does your definition only apply to the Jews because of your obsessive hatred of all thing Jewish

 

[Billo_Really]

So is it not also racist to want to be accepted as the American nation, the Chinese nation, the English/British nation or the Roman nation. Or does your definition only apply to the Jews because of your obsessive hatred of all thing Jewish

I'm an American.

And I could care less what others call my country.

 

[Billo_Really]

only to terrorist supporting trolls like you

If you have to lie to make a point, you really have no point to make.

 

[Tuatara]

Euro-mid Observer For Human Rights- Reports

Not a single report about Palestinian crimes.

Not. A. Single. One.

Biased horseshit is biased.

If you can prove anyone of those reports wrong, then they are biased; if you cannot, then they just show how fucked Israel really is.

I want you to read what you just wrote.

Then I want you to acknowledge how STUPID it is.

Their reports may well be 100% accurate. But there are two sides of this issue, and they cover only ONE side. That's why they're biased -- because they do not report on Palestinian crimes.

If you want to claim that there are no Pal crimes, go ahead. I don't mind you looking even stupider.

Daveman is actually right here. (thought I would never agree with him) It is also correct to point out the the mainstream american media did this too but for the Israeli side but this site is merely one sided. I think it is important to post media coverage of events that were not posted before but include all the events.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

I Agree with Noam Chomsky that Israel is an Apartheid State. There are countless legal authorities who have addressed this question and come to the same conclusion on this issue. There is a very good documentary that can be viewed on You Tube that compares Apartheid in South Africa to Apartheid in Palestine, Roadmap To Apartheid . It can be viewed on Hulu free of charge on a regular computer, last I checked.

Another site it can be viewed.

http://www.journeyman.tv/64252/documentaries/roadmap-to-apartheid-hd.html

And here is another You Tube video addressing Apartheid.

Watch "Jewish Woman exposes Israel Apartheid and Ethnic …" on YouTube
Jewish Woman exposes Israel Apartheid and Ethnic …:

 

[toastman]

Sherri has been gone for a while, so she must have forgotten that she/it has no credbility

 

[irosie91]

gee when I was a kid ----one did not need a computer to read the same
islamo Nazi propaganda that sherri cites. I lived in what had been ----earlier--
during world war II and before-----a NAZI ENCLAVE one of those "restricted"
towns--------and there were old tattered yellowed pamphlets all over the place
in the vicinity of places where inebriated rifle toting slobs congregated with their
sluts----sorta blowing around in the breeze. I read them with the same avid
interest that I read stray superman comics-----even more interest-----they were ALL
ABOUT JOOOOOOOOS ( I did know myself to be a jew------after all----I killed some
guy named ---jesus---awayyyyy in the manger, no crib for a beeeedddddd)

thanks for the MEMOREEEEEES sherri