NOAA Hottest Year on Record: 1997 62F

[edthecynic]

The truth is shocking, isn't it!!!

it is, I'd be thinking that an anomaly would be in the vicinity of like one or two degrees off another baseline, but you get 67, dude why are we still here with your magic anomaly figure?

Already explained to you.

nope, you would be confusing where 67 degrees falls within a 30 year average or a hundred year average as warm or cooler. but you haven't figured that out just yet. you think 67 is an anomaly figure. LOMFL

Now you are just plain lying.

dude, I read it here, your entire discussion with frank he asked you was temperature an anomaly or temperature and you said it was anomaly. which then makes 67 an anomaly not a temperature. see again, 67 degrees may be one or two degrees off the 30 year or 100 year average, but you keep stating it is the anomaly. sorry bubba, you're your own worst enemy right now.

You are still lying.

 

[edthecynic]

20th century average us 56.9. The 1997 average was 62, that 5F warmer than average

'exactly' button again

Not quite exactly, the 62F was using a 30 year 1961-1990 baseline.

 

[jc456]

I thought it was the mathematical average of all the reading from all the stations through the year.

You're saying the average is not an average

And how exactly are you going to calibrate all the thermometers exactly the same all over the globe to use their DIRECT measurements as an average????????

You can't, which is why anomalies are used which can be averaged globally.

So we're back to my outside temperature is 67F what anomaly factor should I apply to it?

You need the average temperature for that particular thermometer for that day over the history of that temperature station to calculate the anomaly for that day. You have not provided that data.

You're doing it again, you're confusing average and anomaly.

No I'm not, you are just playing dumb rather than admit you knew you were lying this whole time.

The local anomaly is the DIFFERENCE between the current temperature and the average temperature for this current day at this particular temperature station.

wow, you got that right. so what is the anomaly figure 67 or one or two?

 

[jc456]

it is, I'd be thinking that an anomaly would be in the vicinity of like one or two degrees off another baseline, but you get 67, dude why are we still here with your magic anomaly figure?

Already explained to you.

nope, you would be confusing where 67 degrees falls within a 30 year average or a hundred year average as warm or cooler. but you haven't figured that out just yet. you think 67 is an anomaly figure. LOMFL

Now you are just plain lying.

dude, I read it here, your entire discussion with frank he asked you was temperature an anomaly or temperature and you said it was anomaly. which then makes 67 an anomaly not a temperature. see again, 67 degrees may be one or two degrees off the 30 year or 100 year average, but you keep stating it is the anomaly. sorry bubba, you're your own worst enemy right now.

You are still lying.

ok, let's try this differently, what is the average temperature for the last 30 years?

What is the average temperature of 2015? are they the same or different. by how are they different?

That would be the anomaly. so which is it. It can't be a number like 67 degrees. again, we'd be dead.

 

[jc456]

20th century average us 56.9. The 1997 average was 62, that 5F warmer than average

'exactly' button again

Not quite exactly, the 62F was using a 30 year 1961-1990 baseline.

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

 

[jc456]

So we're back to my outside temperature is 67F what anomaly factor should I apply to it?

You need the average temperature for that particular thermometer for that day over the history of that temperature station to calculate the anomaly for that day. You have not provided that data.

You're doing it again, you're confusing average and anomaly.

No I'm not, you are just playing dumb rather than admit you knew you were lying this whole time.

The local anomaly is the DIFFERENCE between the current temperature and the average temperature for this current day at this particular temperature station.

So if the anomaly is 2F, you're telling me that my thermometer is wrong, that it's not really 67F, it's really 65?

NO. Stop playing dumb.

If the average temp is 65F for this day at that station, and you measure 67F at that same station today the anomaly for today is +2F. The anomaly does not change the measured temp, it only provides a means to compare data from around the globe in a scientific manner.

so the anomaly is +2f not 67 right? so the two gets added into the baseline spreadsheet, not the 67 right?

 

[edthecynic]

And how exactly are you going to calibrate all the thermometers exactly the same all over the globe to use their DIRECT measurements as an average????????

You can't, which is why anomalies are used which can be averaged globally.

So we're back to my outside temperature is 67F what anomaly factor should I apply to it?

You need the average temperature for that particular thermometer for that day over the history of that temperature station to calculate the anomaly for that day. You have not provided that data.

You're doing it again, you're confusing average and anomaly.

No I'm not, you are just playing dumb rather than admit you knew you were lying this whole time.

The local anomaly is the DIFFERENCE between the current temperature and the average temperature for this current day at this particular temperature station.

wow, you got that right. so what is the anomaly figure 67 or one or two?

CF never provided the imaginary 30 year data for his imaginary temp station that gave him his imaginary 67F.

 

[edthecynic]

20th century average us 56.9. The 1997 average was 62, that 5F warmer than average

'exactly' button again

Not quite exactly, the 62F was using a 30 year 1961-1990 baseline.

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

 

[jc456]

20th century average us 56.9. The 1997 average was 62, that 5F warmer than average

Using two DIFFERENT baselines, so the numbers cannot be HONESTLY compared. But deniers are NEVER honest!!!!

Much like a batting average, the 1997 average was 62F, that it 5F higher than the baseline does not affect that temperature

Stop lying!

The 1997 average was 57.92F and 2015 was 58.62F using the 20th century baseline for both.

there it is again, how can and average be tied to a baseline. You are suggesting that there is a baseline use in a calculation to get to 57.92f. no, that isn't how it works. and here I thought you were getting it. OMG again.

 

[edthecynic]

You need the average temperature for that particular thermometer for that day over the history of that temperature station to calculate the anomaly for that day. You have not provided that data.

You're doing it again, you're confusing average and anomaly.

No I'm not, you are just playing dumb rather than admit you knew you were lying this whole time.

The local anomaly is the DIFFERENCE between the current temperature and the average temperature for this current day at this particular temperature station.

So if the anomaly is 2F, you're telling me that my thermometer is wrong, that it's not really 67F, it's really 65?

NO. Stop playing dumb.

If the average temp is 65F for this day at that station, and you measure 67F at that same station today the anomaly for today is +2F. The anomaly does not change the measured temp, it only provides a means to compare data from around the globe in a scientific manner.

so the anomaly is +2f not 67 right? so the two gets added into the baseline spreadsheet, not the 67 right?

I naver said 67F was the anomaly, that is YOUR Straw Man.

 

[jc456]

So we're back to my outside temperature is 67F what anomaly factor should I apply to it?

You need the average temperature for that particular thermometer for that day over the history of that temperature station to calculate the anomaly for that day. You have not provided that data.

You're doing it again, you're confusing average and anomaly.

No I'm not, you are just playing dumb rather than admit you knew you were lying this whole time.

The local anomaly is the DIFFERENCE between the current temperature and the average temperature for this current day at this particular temperature station.

wow, you got that right. so what is the anomaly figure 67 or one or two?

CF never provided the imaginary 30 year data for his imaginary temp station that gave him his imaginary 67F.

well if his imaginary temperature for 1997 was 62f why does it change because you have a baseline of either 30 or 100 years of data? 62f was the temperature. now it might be higher or lower than the 30 or 100 year average, but there is no baseline of anything. it is merely a difference between a data set contrived from a 30 year average or a 100 year average. that's it.

 

[jc456]

You're doing it again, you're confusing average and anomaly.

No I'm not, you are just playing dumb rather than admit you knew you were lying this whole time.

The local anomaly is the DIFFERENCE between the current temperature and the average temperature for this current day at this particular temperature station.

So if the anomaly is 2F, you're telling me that my thermometer is wrong, that it's not really 67F, it's really 65?

NO. Stop playing dumb.

If the average temp is 65F for this day at that station, and you measure 67F at that same station today the anomaly for today is +2F. The anomaly does not change the measured temp, it only provides a means to compare data from around the globe in a scientific manner.

so the anomaly is +2f not 67 right? so the two gets added into the baseline spreadsheet, not the 67 right?

I naver said 67F was the anomaly, that is YOUR Straw Man.

you just said it again using 57.92f for 1997. dude you're writing it wrong. and you haven't provided what you even mean yet. the average for 1997 was 62f . THAT NUMBER DOESN'T ever, ever change. do you understand that?

now if the imaginary average over thirty years was 57.92f and the 100 year average was 58.62f, then 62f is still warmer than both average sets. Do you understand that yet?

 

[edthecynic]

20th century average us 56.9. The 1997 average was 62, that 5F warmer than average

Using two DIFFERENT baselines, so the numbers cannot be HONESTLY compared. But deniers are NEVER honest!!!!

Much like a batting average, the 1997 average was 62F, that it 5F higher than the baseline does not affect that temperature

Stop lying!

The 1997 average was 57.92F and 2015 was 58.62F using the 20th century baseline for both.

there it is again, how can and average be tied to a baseline. You are suggesting that there is a baseline use in a calculation to get to 57.92f. no, that isn't how it works. and here I thought you were getting it. OMG again.

Because it is a GLOBAL temperature. Try to pay attention.
Remember you already admitted that there is no such thing as a global thermometer, so global temp is always an average tied to a baseline.

 

[edthecynic]

You need the average temperature for that particular thermometer for that day over the history of that temperature station to calculate the anomaly for that day. You have not provided that data.

You're doing it again, you're confusing average and anomaly.

No I'm not, you are just playing dumb rather than admit you knew you were lying this whole time.

The local anomaly is the DIFFERENCE between the current temperature and the average temperature for this current day at this particular temperature station.

wow, you got that right. so what is the anomaly figure 67 or one or two?

CF never provided the imaginary 30 year data for his imaginary temp station that gave him his imaginary 67F.

well if his imaginary temperature for 1997 was 62f why does it change because you have a baseline of either 30 or 100 years of data? 62f was the temperature. now it might be higher or lower than the 30 or 100 year average, but there is no baseline of anything. it is merely a difference between a data set contrived from a 30 year average or a 100 year average. that's it.

You still have no ides what your are saying.

 

[jc456]

20th century average us 56.9. The 1997 average was 62, that 5F warmer than average

'exactly' button again

Not quite exactly, the 62F was using a 30 year 1961-1990 baseline.

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.02F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

 

[edthecynic]

20th century average us 56.9. The 1997 average was 62, that 5F warmer than average

'exactly' button again

Not quite exactly, the 62F was using a 30 year 1961-1990 baseline.

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

Global Analysis - Annual 1997 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

 

[jc456]

20th century average us 56.9. The 1997 average was 62, that 5F warmer than average

Using two DIFFERENT baselines, so the numbers cannot be HONESTLY compared. But deniers are NEVER honest!!!!

Much like a batting average, the 1997 average was 62F, that it 5F higher than the baseline does not affect that temperature

Stop lying!

The 1997 average was 57.92F and 2015 was 58.62F using the 20th century baseline for both.

there it is again, how can and average be tied to a baseline. You are suggesting that there is a baseline use in a calculation to get to 57.92f. no, that isn't how it works. and here I thought you were getting it. OMG again.

Because it is a GLOBAL temperature. Try to pay attention.
Remember you already admitted that there is no such thing as a global thermometer, so global temp is always an average tied to a baseline.

sure there is a global thermometer, it is the 2000 stations averaged. The satellites do a really good job of acting as that global thermometer btw. So again, if 1997 was averaged to 62f, it will always be 62f correct? that temperature might be higher or lower than a 30 or 100 year average correct? but it is still 62f. right?

 

[jc456]

'exactly' button again

Not quite exactly, the 62F was using a 30 year 1961-1990 baseline.

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45, .42F above the baseline temp.

baseline temp of what?

 

[jc456]

'exactly' button again

Not quite exactly, the 62F was using a 30 year 1961-1990 baseline.

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

what was the 57.92 and 58.62f temps from then?

 

[edthecynic]

Not quite exactly, the 62F was using a 30 year 1961-1990 baseline.

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45, .42F above the baseline temp.

baseline temp of what?

GLOBAL average temperature