NOAA Hottest Year on Record: 1997 62F

[edthecynic]

So what you're saying is that to measure the "global average temperature in 1997" they didn't even use thermometers, they just added some random numbers to the baseline?

Nope, you own that lie all by yourself!

 

[Billy_Bob]

How was the 1997 average temperature derived?

I imagine the average anomaly for that year was added to the average/baseline temperature.

SO were adding and averaged temperature to the averaged temperature base line.. Adding and average to an average to get your hottest ev'a...

You don't have a ******* clue just like the rest of them..

 

[Billy_Bob]

That is YOUR lie, not mine.

So you agree that the 1997 temperature was 62F

If you agree that 2015 was more than 62.45F using the same 1961-1990 baseline.
According to WMO using the 1961-1990 baseline 2015 was 62.78F

http://ane4bf-datap1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wmocms/s3fs-public/news/multimedia/pr 2_1_0.png

Will 2016 reach 63f?

NO...

As of today it is statistically impossible without fabricating 1.3 deg C positive anomaly for the next three months..

Graph Source

Hogwash!

UAH is not ground temperature, but even Spencer admits he would need steady cooling in the last 4 months of 2016 to just tie 1998.

UAH Global Temperature Update for August, 2016: +0.44 deg. C « Roy Spencer, PhD
To see how we are now progressing toward a record warm year in the satellite data, the following chart shows the average rate of cooling for the rest of 2016 that would be required to tie 1998 as warmest year in the 38-year satellite record:

You failed graph reading with Crick? Tell me where we are today in anomaly? Your own graph calls you a liar...

 

[edthecynic]

How was the 1997 average temperature derived?

I imagine the average anomaly for that year was added to the average/baseline temperature.

SO were adding and averaged temperature to the averaged temperature base line.. Adding and average to an average to get your hottest ev'a...

You don't have a ******* clue just like the rest of them..

Notice how deniers ALWAYS change other peoples words to create their lying Straw Man, and then accuse others of not having a clue!

 

[edthecynic]

So you agree that the 1997 temperature was 62F

If you agree that 2015 was more than 62.45F using the same 1961-1990 baseline.
According to WMO using the 1961-1990 baseline 2015 was 62.78F

http://ane4bf-datap1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wmocms/s3fs-public/news/multimedia/pr 2_1_0.png

Will 2016 reach 63f?

NO...

As of today it is statistically impossible without fabricating 1.3 deg C positive anomaly for the next three months..

Graph Source

Hogwash!

UAH is not ground temperature, but even Spencer admits he would need steady cooling in the last 4 months of 2016 to just tie 1998.

UAH Global Temperature Update for August, 2016: +0.44 deg. C « Roy Spencer, PhD
To see how we are now progressing toward a record warm year in the satellite data, the following chart shows the average rate of cooling for the rest of 2016 that would be required to tie 1998 as warmest year in the 38-year satellite record:

You failed graph reading with Crick? Tell me where we are today in anomaly? Your own graph calls you a liar...

You just plain failed reading!
The post I replied to said a +1.3 degree anomaly would be needed for the next 3 months for 2016 to beat 1997/8 as the warmest year, and used a UAH graph manufactured by the dishonest WUWT denier site and I simply posted their actual graph with Spencer's own words to expose the obvious lie.

BTW, I also pointed out that the phony WUWT chart and the UAH chart were NOT ground temperature data, all of which went completely over your head.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So what you're saying is that to measure the "global average temperature in 1997" they didn't even use thermometers, they just added some random numbers to the baseline?

Nope, you own that lie all by yourself!

What instrument measures these "Anomalies"?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How was the 1997 average temperature derived?

I imagine the average anomaly for that year was added to the average/baseline temperature.

You imagine?

How are baseball player batting averages measured?

 

[Crick]

You don't actually "measure" an average Frank, you calculate it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You don't actually "measure" an average Frank, you calculate it.

How are average temperatures calculated?

 

[edthecynic]

So what you're saying is that to measure the "global average temperature in 1997" they didn't even use thermometers, they just added some random numbers to the baseline?

Nope, you own that lie all by yourself!

What instrument measures these "Anomalies"?

The perpetual dumb act!
Anomalies were explained to you more than once plus you were given a link to NOAA's FAQ on anomalies. If you still know nothing about anomalies, and your question indicates you know less than nothing about anomalies, then you are too stupid to ever know anything about anomalies, or anything else for that matter.

 

[edthecynic]

You don't actually "measure" an average Frank, you calculate it.

He knows that already, it was explained to him in detail already in this thread. He is just playing dumb so he can lie some more.

 

[edthecynic]

You don't actually "measure" an average Frank, you calculate it.

How are average temperatures calculated?

That was also explained to you and a link was provided. If you are still too stupid to understand it, you will always be too stupid to understand it.

 

[jc456]

We've been in a 2 decade pause since then

Haha, don't think so. I've got like 83 degrees here with tomatoes still coming. It's been a long long summer. I'm on my second round of vegetables. On the other hand two years ago I was running the wood stove on October fourth, and that doesn't run until it dips below at the most 30. This year? Still running fans and keeping all the windows open.

It's impossible to gauge a trend that takes centuries by looking at the last 19 years. That's absurd. But the contrast of extremes from year to year as I just laid out above does indicate something unnatural. Last year winter didn't arrive until like January.

But as long as we're here, why doncha edumacate me on the reasoning behind all this ----

---- what exactly is the point in making excuses for polluters? What do you get out of doing it? You think they're gonna pay you or sump'm?

One small region is now global proof? ROFLMAO...

and two years is considered climate and not weather. Only in a warmers mind.

 

[jc456]

We've been in a 2 decade pause since then

Haha, don't think so. I've got like 83 degrees here with tomatoes still coming. It's been a long long summer. I'm on my second round of vegetables. On the other hand two years ago I was running the wood stove on October fourth, and that doesn't run until it dips below at the most 30. This year? Still running fans and keeping all the windows open.

It's impossible to gauge a trend that takes centuries by looking at the last 19 years. That's absurd. But the contrast of extremes from year to year as I just laid out above does indicate something unnatural. Last year winter didn't arrive until like January.

But as long as we're here, why doncha edumacate me on the reasoning behind all this ----

---- what exactly is the point in making excuses for polluters? What do you get out of doing it? You think they're gonna pay you or sump'm?

was it warmer than 1997? seems you missed that part of the OP.

 

[jc456]

LIAR!
1997 does not even make it into the top 16.

Global Analysis - Annual 2015 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

With the contribution of such record warmth at year's end and with 10 months of the year record warm for their respective months, including the last 8 (January was second warmest for January and April was third warmest), the average global temperature across land and ocean surface areas for 2015 was 0.90°C (1.62°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F)

The 2015 temperature also marks the largest margin by which an annual temperature record has been broken. Prior to this year, the largest margin occurred in 1998, when the annual temperature surpassed the record set in 1997 by 0.12°C (0.22°F). Incidentally, 1997 and 1998 were the last years in which a similarly strong El Niño was occurring. The annual temperature anomalies for 1997 and 1998 were 0.51°C (0.92°F) and 0.63°C (1.13°F), respectively, above the 20th century average, both well below the 2015 temperature departure.

LOL

drank Obama Kool Aid

The average is 56.9. Is 62F bigger or smaller than that and by how much.

LOL

Oh come on now, I nailed westwall on that same lie in another thread below that you also posted in, and he wasn't stupid enough to repeat it! I even have the same things highlighted that show that 2 different baselines were used in your lie.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15281710/

You drank the Kool-aid

How was the 62F arrived at, was it directly measured?

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

So you have no idea what you're talking about.

How was the 1997 temperature measured? What does a baseline have to do with direct measurements

cause you have to have a movable target so you can adjust at will the temperature on a graph.

BTW, I'm really curious how they get a 67 degree anomaly? Wow that is quite a number.

 

[jc456]

Outside temperature is 67F, after taking both the 30 year and 100 year baseline into account, the temperature is still 67F

Deniers always play dumb when they want to keep lying.
The 67F anomaly will be different for a 30 year baseline than a 100 year baseline, as if you didn't know!

explain how your baseline conclusion works here. See I'm thinking to get a year average, one takes the 12 months of the year and finds the average for the year. you got a different way to find the temperature? wouldn't an anomaly only be like one or two degrees, not 67 degrees? I'm sorry, but I think you fell off the plantation.

 

[jc456]

That's cute. It was 60 degrees in Anaheim last night. There is snow about 400 feet above my house. Unusual? No. But then neither is anything that the AGW supporters claim either.

NOTHING.

It was 90 degrees at the Jersey shore yesterday, the second 90 degree day this week, and that is unusual.

Care to bet. Try looking at the historical temp record going back 100 years and you will see it is nothing unusual.

You guys look at a small time frame and ascribe magical powers to it.

Well since the average here is in the low 70s, it certainly is not average!

but, but, was it a record temperature? a record two days for that time of the year? Got that at all?

Give me your city where that temperature was taken and I'll go look for historical temps for the two days in question. Want to make a bet it isn't historical at all, not close?

 

[jc456]

Outside temperature is 67F, after taking both the 30 year and 100 year baseline into account, the temperature is still 67F

Deniers always play dumb when they want to keep lying.
The 67F anomaly will be different for a 30 year baseline than a 100 year baseline, as if you didn't know!

The outside temperature is currently 67F, please explain to me how and when the baseline come into play

The baseline comes into play whenever the data is recorded as an anomaly, which is the only way the data is recorded by scientists.

so 67 is the anomaly? wow that is a big anomaly don't you think? We should be dead.

 

[jc456]

Warmers dont know the difference between a measurement and a baseline. They mistakenly believe that the baseline alters the direct temperature measurement.

LIAR!

They are smart enough to know that there is no direct GLOBAL temperature measurement, but rather the GLOBAL temperature is calculated using the anomalies collected from all the different temperature stations all over the globe. The only way that data can be combined is using anomalies which require a baseline average to calculate.

oh....my .......gawd

 

[edthecynic]

Outside temperature is 67F, after taking both the 30 year and 100 year baseline into account, the temperature is still 67F

Deniers always play dumb when they want to keep lying.
The 67F anomaly will be different for a 30 year baseline than a 100 year baseline, as if you didn't know!

The outside temperature is currently 67F, please explain to me how and when the baseline come into play

The baseline comes into play whenever the data is recorded as an anomaly, which is the only way the data is recorded by scientists.

so 67 is the anomaly? wow that is a big anomaly don't you think? We should be dead.

No, you are taking the post out of context. The anomaly calculated for CF's hypothetical 67F outside temp will be different depending on which baseline is used was what I was trying to explain to CF, not that the anomaly was 67F

Outside temperature is 67F, after taking both the 30 year and 100 year baseline into account, the temperature is still 67F

Deniers always play dumb when they want to keep lying.
The 67F anomaly will be different for a 30 year baseline than a 100 year baseline, as if you didn't know!