NOAA Hottest Year on Record: 1997 62F

[jc456]

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45, .42F above the baseline temp.

baseline temp of what?

GLOBAL average temperature

for when?

NOAA's 1961-1990 baseline

which was what average temperature?

 

[edthecynic]

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

what was the 57.92 and 58.62f temps from then?

The 20th century baseline, the 62.03F and 62.45 were from the 1961-1990 baseline.

huh? you said the 1961 to 1990 average was 62.03, so now it's the 20th century 100 year average? what the fk are you trying to say here. It makes absolutely no sense.

NOAA stopped using the 1961-1990 baseline in 1997. The current baseline is the 20th century baseline. CF dishonestly used the 1961-1990 baseline for 1997 and compared it to the 20th century baseline for 2015.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

what was the 57.92 and 58.62f temps from then?

The 20th century baseline, the 62.03F and 62.45 were from the 1961-1990 baseline.

huh? you said the 1961 to 1990 average was 62.03, so now it's the 20th century 100 year average? what the fk are you trying to say here. It makes absolutely no sense.

NOAA stopped using the 1961-1990 baseline in 1997. The current baseline is the 20th century baseline. CF dishonestly used the 1961-1990 baseline for 1997 and compared it to the 20th century baseline for 2015.

Pick a baseline.

23 pages and you haven't explained how a baseline can affect a measured average temperature

 

[jc456]

Not quite exactly, the 62F was using a 30 year 1961-1990 baseline.

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

Global Analysis - Annual 1997 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

"The average global temperature across land surfaces was 1.29°C (2.32°F) above the 20th century average of 13.8°C (56.9°F)..."

Global Analysis - August 2016 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Pick a baseline, any baseline

isn't 56.9 lower than 62.45? so 1997 was warmer by ~6 degrees F. now what was 2015's average temperature? did he give that yet?

 

[jc456]

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

what was the 57.92 and 58.62f temps from then?

The 20th century baseline, the 62.03F and 62.45 were from the 1961-1990 baseline.

huh? you said the 1961 to 1990 average was 62.03, so now it's the 20th century 100 year average? what the fk are you trying to say here. It makes absolutely no sense.

NOAA stopped using the 1961-1990 baseline in 1997. The current baseline is the 20th century baseline. CF dishonestly used the 1961-1990 baseline for 1997 and compared it to the 20th century baseline for 2015.

ok so that average temperature is what? 56.92F?

 

[edthecynic]

You don't actually "measure" an average Frank, you calculate it.

How are average temperatures calculated?

That was also explained to you and a link was provided. If you are still too stupid to understand it, you will always be too stupid to understand it.

you need a link to explain how temperatures get averaged? do you even understand averaging?

Already posted twice!

For the third time:
Explainer: How do scientists measure global temperature? | Carbon Brief

dude, they explain it ok, look at their chart, it shows the pause. not sure what you're referencing with your baseline chatter. you're nuts.

Only if you look at it like this:

 

[edthecynic]

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

Global Analysis - Annual 1997 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

"The average global temperature across land surfaces was 1.29°C (2.32°F) above the 20th century average of 13.8°C (56.9°F)..."

Global Analysis - August 2016 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Pick a baseline, any baseline

isn't 56.9 lower than 62.45? so 1997 was warmer by ~6 degrees F. now what was 2015's average temperature? did he give that yet?

Now you are as dishonest as CF, using 2 different baselines.

 

[jc456]

How are average temperatures calculated?

That was also explained to you and a link was provided. If you are still too stupid to understand it, you will always be too stupid to understand it.

you need a link to explain how temperatures get averaged? do you even understand averaging?

Already posted twice!

For the third time:
Explainer: How do scientists measure global temperature? | Carbon Brief

dude, they explain it ok, look at their chart, it shows the pause. not sure what you're referencing with your baseline chatter. you're nuts.

Only if you look at it like this:

well the pause is for 20 years, so yeah, like that, you won't see any increase in temperatures since 1997. it's been what this entire 24 pages is about. pause. not hottest year evah shit.

 

[jc456]

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

Global Analysis - Annual 1997 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

"The average global temperature across land surfaces was 1.29°C (2.32°F) above the 20th century average of 13.8°C (56.9°F)..."

Global Analysis - August 2016 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Pick a baseline, any baseline

isn't 56.9 lower than 62.45? so 1997 was warmer by ~6 degrees F. now what was 2015's average temperature? did he give that yet?

Now you are as dishonest as CF, using 2 different baselines.

what does that even mean? I used no baselines for anything. I've been asking you to explain what the 20th century average temperature is. What is it? just the average temp. can you answer that?

 

[edthecynic]

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

what was the 57.92 and 58.62f temps from then?

The 20th century baseline, the 62.03F and 62.45 were from the 1961-1990 baseline.

huh? you said the 1961 to 1990 average was 62.03, so now it's the 20th century 100 year average? what the fk are you trying to say here. It makes absolutely no sense.

NOAA stopped using the 1961-1990 baseline in 1997. The current baseline is the 20th century baseline. CF dishonestly used the 1961-1990 baseline for 1997 and compared it to the 20th century baseline for 2015.

ok so that average temperature is what? 56.92F?

No, the NOAA 20th century global baseline is 57.F. The 57.92F was 1997 using the 20th century baseline and 58.62F was 2015 using the SAME baseline.

Global Analysis - Annual 2015 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

the average global temperature across land and ocean surface areas for 2015 was 0.90°C (1.62°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F)

The annual temperature anomalies for 1997 and 1998 were 0.51°C (0.92°F) and 0.63°C (1.13°F), respectively, above the 20th century average

 

[edthecynic]

That was also explained to you and a link was provided. If you are still too stupid to understand it, you will always be too stupid to understand it.

you need a link to explain how temperatures get averaged? do you even understand averaging?

Already posted twice!

For the third time:
Explainer: How do scientists measure global temperature? | Carbon Brief

dude, they explain it ok, look at their chart, it shows the pause. not sure what you're referencing with your baseline chatter. you're nuts.

Only if you look at it like this:

well the pause is for 20 years, so yeah, like that, you won't see any increase in temperatures since 1997. it's been what this entire 24 pages is about. pause. not hottest year evah shit.

Then how can there be so many new global highs over the last 20 years?

 

[jc456]

what was the 57.92 and 58.62f temps from then?

The 20th century baseline, the 62.03F and 62.45 were from the 1961-1990 baseline.

huh? you said the 1961 to 1990 average was 62.03, so now it's the 20th century 100 year average? what the fk are you trying to say here. It makes absolutely no sense.

NOAA stopped using the 1961-1990 baseline in 1997. The current baseline is the 20th century baseline. CF dishonestly used the 1961-1990 baseline for 1997 and compared it to the 20th century baseline for 2015.

ok so that average temperature is what? 56.92F?

No, the NOAA 20th century global baseline is 57.F. The 57.92F was 1997 using the 20th century baseline and 58.62F was 2015 using the SAME baseline.

Global Analysis - Annual 2015 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

the average global temperature across land and ocean surface areas for 2015 was 0.90°C (1.62°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F)

The annual temperature anomalies for 1997 and 1998 were 0.51°C (0.92°F) and 0.63°C (1.13°F), respectively, above the 20th century average

huh? what the fk are you saying? what was the 20th century average temperature period. you have that?

BTW, what was the average temperature for 2015? got that?

 

[jc456]

you need a link to explain how temperatures get averaged? do you even understand averaging?

Already posted twice!

For the third time:
Explainer: How do scientists measure global temperature? | Carbon Brief

dude, they explain it ok, look at their chart, it shows the pause. not sure what you're referencing with your baseline chatter. you're nuts.

Only if you look at it like this:

well the pause is for 20 years, so yeah, like that, you won't see any increase in temperatures since 1997. it's been what this entire 24 pages is about. pause. not hottest year evah shit.

Then how can there be so many new global highs over the last 20 years?

that means absolutely nothing. what is the average temperatures, I'd like to know where they base their anomaly from. so give me that baseline figure, the 20th century average temperature. i will then compare the 2015 average temperature and get the anomaly myself, got it?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

you need a link to explain how temperatures get averaged? do you even understand averaging?

Already posted twice!

For the third time:
Explainer: How do scientists measure global temperature? | Carbon Brief

dude, they explain it ok, look at their chart, it shows the pause. not sure what you're referencing with your baseline chatter. you're nuts.

Only if you look at it like this:

well the pause is for 20 years, so yeah, like that, you won't see any increase in temperatures since 1997. it's been what this entire 24 pages is about. pause. not hottest year evah shit.

Then how can there be so many new global highs over the last 20 years?

How accurate were temperature back in 1880? And now you're back to using that as a baseline???

 

[CrusaderFrank]

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

Global Analysis - Annual 1997 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

"The average global temperature across land surfaces was 1.29°C (2.32°F) above the 20th century average of 13.8°C (56.9°F)..."

Global Analysis - August 2016 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Pick a baseline, any baseline

isn't 56.9 lower than 62.45? so 1997 was warmer by ~6 degrees F. now what was 2015's average temperature? did he give that yet?

It depends on what baseline he's using

 

[edthecynic]

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

Global Analysis - Annual 1997 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

"The average global temperature across land surfaces was 1.29°C (2.32°F) above the 20th century average of 13.8°C (56.9°F)..."

Global Analysis - August 2016 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Pick a baseline, any baseline

isn't 56.9 lower than 62.45? so 1997 was warmer by ~6 degrees F. now what was 2015's average temperature? did he give that yet?

Now you are as dishonest as CF, using 2 different baselines.

what does that even mean? I used no baselines for anything. I've been asking you to explain what the 20th century average temperature is. What is it? just the average temp. can you answer that?

56.9 is the 1997 temp using the 20th century baseline, and 62.45 is the 1997 temp using the 1961-1990 baseline, so in face, you are using 2 different baselines.

 

[edthecynic]

Already posted twice!

For the third time:
Explainer: How do scientists measure global temperature? | Carbon Brief

dude, they explain it ok, look at their chart, it shows the pause. not sure what you're referencing with your baseline chatter. you're nuts.

Only if you look at it like this:

well the pause is for 20 years, so yeah, like that, you won't see any increase in temperatures since 1997. it's been what this entire 24 pages is about. pause. not hottest year evah shit.

Then how can there be so many new global highs over the last 20 years?

How accurate were temperature back in 1880? And now you're back to using that as a baseline???

1880 is the 19th century!!! DUH!!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

Global Analysis - Annual 1997 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

"The average global temperature across land surfaces was 1.29°C (2.32°F) above the 20th century average of 13.8°C (56.9°F)..."

Global Analysis - August 2016 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Pick a baseline, any baseline

isn't 56.9 lower than 62.45? so 1997 was warmer by ~6 degrees F. now what was 2015's average temperature? did he give that yet?

Now you are as dishonest as CF, using 2 different baselines.

what does that even mean? I used no baselines for anything. I've been asking you to explain what the 20th century average temperature is. What is it? just the average temp. can you answer that?

56.9 is the 1997 temp using the 20th century baseline, and 62.45 is the 1997 temp using the 1961-1990 baseline, so in face, you are using 2 different baselines.

How accurate were the ocean temperatures back in 1880? The shorter baselines adds in an entire new data set: Ocean temperature in order to invent their "HOTTEST TEMPS EVAH!!!!" fictional narrative

 

[jc456]

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

Global Analysis - Annual 1997 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

"The average global temperature across land surfaces was 1.29°C (2.32°F) above the 20th century average of 13.8°C (56.9°F)..."

Global Analysis - August 2016 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Pick a baseline, any baseline

isn't 56.9 lower than 62.45? so 1997 was warmer by ~6 degrees F. now what was 2015's average temperature? did he give that yet?

Now you are as dishonest as CF, using 2 different baselines.

what does that even mean? I used no baselines for anything. I've been asking you to explain what the 20th century average temperature is. What is it? just the average temp. can you answer that?

56.9 is the 1997 temp using the 20th century baseline, and 62.45 is the 1997 temp using the 1961-1990 baseline, so in face, you are using 2 different baselines.

no the average temperature for 1997 was 62.4F. not using any baseline for anything. Why do you keep using baseline figures for 1997? It had an average temperature period. it was 62.4F. if the 20th century average temps was 56.9 then the anomaly/ difference is ~6 degree F. that's it. nothing gets converted or changed or anything. the anomaly is ~6. got it.

Oh, and it is part of the 20th century average temperature set. So it basically cyclical. doesn't seem right to that. hmmmmmmmm. phony is as phony does.

 

[jc456]

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

Global Analysis - Annual 1997 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

"The average global temperature across land surfaces was 1.29°C (2.32°F) above the 20th century average of 13.8°C (56.9°F)..."

Global Analysis - August 2016 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Pick a baseline, any baseline

isn't 56.9 lower than 62.45? so 1997 was warmer by ~6 degrees F. now what was 2015's average temperature? did he give that yet?

It depends on what baseline he's using

frank, I have no idea what math class this guy took, but wow, I'm laughing very hard at this junk he's been posting. baseline, what does it mean again? Oh yeah, never been explained.