NOAA Hottest Year on Record: 1997 62F

[edthecynic]

Not quite exactly, the 62F was using a 30 year 1961-1990 baseline.

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

what was the 57.92 and 58.62f temps from then?

The 20th century baseline, the 62.03F and 62.45 were from the 1961-1990 baseline.

 

[jc456]

The temperature averaged 62F in 1997...what changed

You already posted the answer to that in your Op which you pretend to be too stupid to understand so you can continue to lie.

From your OP:

Please note: the estimate for the baseline global temperature used in this study differed, and was warmer than, the baseline estimate (Jones et al., 1999) used currently. This report has been superseded by subsequent analyses. However, as with all climate monitoring reports, it is left online as it was written at the time.

You still think that anomalies overwrite average temperature

That is YOUR lie, not mine.

So you agree that the 1997 temperature was 62F

If you agree that 2015 was more than 62.45F using the same 1961-1990 baseline.
According to WMO using the 1961-1990 baseline 2015 was 62.78F

http://ane4bf-datap1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wmocms/s3fs-public/news/multimedia/pr 2_1_0.png

dude, simple, what was the average temperature for 1961 to 1990?

 

[edthecynic]

You already posted the answer to that in your Op which you pretend to be too stupid to understand so you can continue to lie.

From your OP:

Please note: the estimate for the baseline global temperature used in this study differed, and was warmer than, the baseline estimate (Jones et al., 1999) used currently. This report has been superseded by subsequent analyses. However, as with all climate monitoring reports, it is left online as it was written at the time.

You still think that anomalies overwrite average temperature

That is YOUR lie, not mine.

So you agree that the 1997 temperature was 62F

If you agree that 2015 was more than 62.45F using the same 1961-1990 baseline.
According to WMO using the 1961-1990 baseline 2015 was 62.78F

http://ane4bf-datap1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wmocms/s3fs-public/news/multimedia/pr 2_1_0.png

dude, simple, what was the average temperature for 1961 to 1990?

Already posted, the NOAA global average temp for baseline 1961-1990 was 62.03F.
The OP cited NOAA data.

 

[jc456]

That's odd, they keep talking about a baseline but they don't seem to know what it means

now that's the first sentence with the word baseline I actually understand in this discussion thread. holy crap, don't they know that 1961 to 1990 is an average for a thirty year period. How is that a fking baseline to something? it is merely an average temperature. Period. If one wishes to compare to that temperature, than the anomaly is the difference between the two averages. period. nothing touches anything, doesn't change anything, doesn't mean a temperature becomes an anomaly. WTF is in these people's koolaid?

 

[jc456]

You still think that anomalies overwrite average temperature

That is YOUR lie, not mine.

So you agree that the 1997 temperature was 62F

If you agree that 2015 was more than 62.45F using the same 1961-1990 baseline.
According to WMO using the 1961-1990 baseline 2015 was 62.78F

http://ane4bf-datap1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wmocms/s3fs-public/news/multimedia/pr 2_1_0.png

dude, simple, what was the average temperature for 1961 to 1990?

Already posted, the NOAA global average temp for baseline 1961-1990 was 62.03F.
The OP cited NOAA data.

and what was the average temperature for 1997?

 

[jc456]

You still think that anomalies overwrite average temperature

That is YOUR lie, not mine.

So you agree that the 1997 temperature was 62F

If you agree that 2015 was more than 62.45F using the same 1961-1990 baseline.
According to WMO using the 1961-1990 baseline 2015 was 62.78F

http://ane4bf-datap1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wmocms/s3fs-public/news/multimedia/pr 2_1_0.png

dude, simple, what was the average temperature for 1961 to 1990?

Already posted, the NOAA global average temp for baseline 1961-1990 was 62.03F.
The OP cited NOAA data.

what were the 57.92 and 58.62f figures then?

 

[edthecynic]

That's odd, they keep talking about a baseline but they don't seem to know what it means

now that's the first sentence with the word baseline I actually understand in this discussion thread. holy crap, don't they know that 1961 to 1990 is an average for a thirty year period. How is that a fking baseline to something? it is merely an average temperature. Period. If one wishes to compare to that temperature, than the anomaly is the difference between the two averages. period. nothing touches anything, doesn't change anything, doesn't mean a temperature becomes an anomaly. WTF is in these people's koolaid?

Read and learn something.
BTW, these were already posted, so either you were too lazy and uncurious to click on then or too stupid to understand them.

Global Surface Temperature Anomalies | Monitoring References | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Explainer: How do scientists measure global temperature? | Carbon Brief

 

[jc456]

How was the 1997 average temperature derived?

I imagine the average anomaly for that year was added to the average/baseline temperature.

OMG is this flipping hilarious. this is like a 'who's on first' with you stoops.

 

[edthecynic]

That is YOUR lie, not mine.

So you agree that the 1997 temperature was 62F

If you agree that 2015 was more than 62.45F using the same 1961-1990 baseline.
According to WMO using the 1961-1990 baseline 2015 was 62.78F

http://ane4bf-datap1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wmocms/s3fs-public/news/multimedia/pr 2_1_0.png

dude, simple, what was the average temperature for 1961 to 1990?

Already posted, the NOAA global average temp for baseline 1961-1990 was 62.03F.
The OP cited NOAA data.

and what was the average temperature for 1997?

62.45F using the 1961-1990 baseline.

 

[edthecynic]

That is YOUR lie, not mine.

So you agree that the 1997 temperature was 62F

If you agree that 2015 was more than 62.45F using the same 1961-1990 baseline.
According to WMO using the 1961-1990 baseline 2015 was 62.78F

http://ane4bf-datap1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wmocms/s3fs-public/news/multimedia/pr 2_1_0.png

dude, simple, what was the average temperature for 1961 to 1990?

Already posted, the NOAA global average temp for baseline 1961-1990 was 62.03F.
The OP cited NOAA data.

what were the 57.92 and 58.62f figures then?

Using the 20th century baseline.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

'exactly' button again

Not quite exactly, the 62F was using a 30 year 1961-1990 baseline.

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

Global Analysis - Annual 1997 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

"The average global temperature across land surfaces was 1.29°C (2.32°F) above the 20th century average of 13.8°C (56.9°F)..."

Global Analysis - August 2016 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Pick a baseline, any baseline

 

[edthecynic]

How was the 1997 average temperature derived?

I imagine the average anomaly for that year was added to the average/baseline temperature.

OMG is this flipping hilarious. this is like a 'who's on first' with you stoops.

The voice of ignorance!

 

[jc456]

You don't actually "measure" an average Frank, you calculate it.

How are average temperatures calculated?

That was also explained to you and a link was provided. If you are still too stupid to understand it, you will always be too stupid to understand it.

you need a link to explain how temperatures get averaged? do you even understand averaging?

 

[edthecynic]

Not quite exactly, the 62F was using a 30 year 1961-1990 baseline.

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

Global Analysis - Annual 1997 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

"The average global temperature across land surfaces was 1.29°C (2.32°F) above the 20th century average of 13.8°C (56.9°F)..."

Global Analysis - August 2016 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Pick a baseline, any baselineQUOTE]
Global Surface Temperature Anomalies | Monitoring References | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Why do some of the products use different reference periods?
The national maps show temperature anomalies relative to the 1981–2010 base period. This period is used in order to comply with a recommended World Meteorological Organization (WMO) Policy, which suggests using the latest decade for the 30-year average. For the global-scaleaverages (global land and ocean, land-only, ocean-only, and hemispheric time series), the reference period is adjusted to the 20th Century average for conceptual simplicity (the period is more familiar to more people, and establishes a longer-term average). The adjustment does not change the shape of the time series or affect the trends within it.

 

[edthecynic]

You don't actually "measure" an average Frank, you calculate it.

How are average temperatures calculated?

That was also explained to you and a link was provided. If you are still too stupid to understand it, you will always be too stupid to understand it.

you need a link to explain how temperatures get averaged? do you even understand averaging?

Already posted twice!

For the third time:
Explainer: How do scientists measure global temperature? | Carbon Brief

 

[jc456]

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45, .42F above the baseline temp.

baseline temp of what?

GLOBAL average temperature

for when?

 

[jc456]

dude, I still don't get your sentence. what was 62F? the average for the 30 years or the anomaly?

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45F, .42F above the baseline temp of 62.03F.

what was the 57.92 and 58.62f temps from then?

The 20th century baseline, the 62.03F and 62.45 were from the 1961-1990 baseline.

huh? you said the 1961 to 1990 average was 62.03, so now it's the 20th century 100 year average? what the fk are you trying to say here. It makes absolutely no sense.

 

[edthecynic]

62.03F is NOAA's global baseline temperature using the 1961-1990 baseline.

there you go again, no, no it is not a baseline temperature. It was the temperature for 1997. why is it a baseline for you?

No the temperature for 1997 was 62.45, .42F above the baseline temp.

baseline temp of what?

GLOBAL average temperature

for when?

NOAA's 1961-1990 baseline

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for August 2016 was the highest for August in the 137-year period of record, marking the 16th consecutive month of record warmth for the globe. The August 2016 temperature departure of 0.92°C (1.66°F) above the 20th century average of 15.6°C (60.1°F)..."

Global Analysis - August 2016 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Yet another "baseline" from the same report, this one includes ocean surface, and had an average that is 3F warmer than land alone. Any guesses how they arrive at ocean temperatures back in 1920? How much warmer do the oceans have to be to raise the average by 3F?

 

[jc456]

You don't actually "measure" an average Frank, you calculate it.

How are average temperatures calculated?

That was also explained to you and a link was provided. If you are still too stupid to understand it, you will always be too stupid to understand it.

you need a link to explain how temperatures get averaged? do you even understand averaging?

Already posted twice!

For the third time:
Explainer: How do scientists measure global temperature? | Carbon Brief

dude, they explain it ok, look at their chart, it shows the pause. not sure what you're referencing with your baseline chatter. you're nuts.