No Peace With Palestinians

[Phoenall]

"Today, in the course of the regular inspection of its premises, UNRWA discovered rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip.

And Israel uses this as an excuse to bomb occupied schools.

Is the above your endorsement of Islamic terrorists using schools as places from which to wage acts of war?

Are you suggesting that UNRWA schools are to be safe havens for Islamic terrorists to wage acts of war?

It looks that way, and when Israel start doing the same it will be an illegal act

 

[Phoenall]

Blockading Gaza and periodically massacring defenseless children and families there is an instigation of violence that is off the scale.

The Palestinian people do not have the military means to resist the violent occupation of their homeland.

Apart from primitive harmless fireworks from Gaza or token attacks by individuals, the Palestinian people are defenseless.

Um. You do realize that both the blockade of Gaza and the military action by Israel is a response to attacks on innocent Israeli civilians, yes? Of course you do, you've said so right there, though you do minimize them to "primitive harmless fireworks" in a sad attempt to pretend that those rockets can't and haven't killed people.

Oh! The military response cliché. Heard it before from the Israelis. Didn't believe it for a minute.
Every decade or so the Israelis joke about mowing the lawn which is an astonishingly cruel way of describing disproportionate reactions to a few harmless fire crackers lodged by a handful of rogues. When the Israelis wish to go on the rampage against defenseless children and families, they will typically provoke a token response to an assassination of a Hamas politician, children playing football being shot to death, or some other turning of the screw on Gaza.

Let's get our cause and effect straight, shall we? The CAUSE of the conflict in Gaza is the violent, hostile actions of the Gazans. The instigating act is the violent, hostile actions of the Gazans. No more rockets, no more response. No more tunnels, no more response. No more rockets, no more blockade (after one year). No more tunnels, no more blockade. Simple, really. But it seems to be too difficult a concept for you, Team Palestine and the Gazans to understand.

No, you are wrong to imply that toddlers and families have been involved in any violent actions against the Israeli Defense Force. Decapitating little girls by Israeli rockets and bombs and shooting children playing football or retrieving a schoolbag from near the Israeli fence are crimes against humanity as is the conditions under which the Israelis keep the people of Gaza.

Now, next you are going to say that the Gazans have the right to resist. You'll use all sorts of emotionally charged language, but that will be the meat of your next argument. Here's the deal. What are the Gazans resisting?

The people of Gaza have as much right to resist their oppression by the Israelis as the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto had the right to resist the Nazis, no matter how futile.

1. The blockade. But the blockade exists because of the continued violence and the importation of weapons to commit violence. Removing the blockade before the violence ends only subjects Israel and her innocent civilians to potentially quite a bit more harm. (You DO believe that Israel not only has a right, but also an obligation to protect her citizens, don't you?) The continued violence by Gazans against Israel actually keeps the blockade in place and prolongs it.

The blockade which keeps the people of Gaza barely at subsistence level is collective punishment of the families there by their wealthy Israeli neighbors.

2. Self-determination and self-government. Gaza has a government and is self-governed. Their ability to utilize their self-determination is evident in their ability to smuggle rockets and build tunnels (instead of houses and hospitals and clean water facilities for their people).

The government of Gaza is in a similar position as the Judenräte in the last century, kept impoverished, restrictions on its imports and exports including humanitarian aid, making it impossible to function properly. We are witnessing the destruction of a people before our eyes. How this has been tolerated by the international community defies explanation.

3. The right to travel through Israel to the West Bank without crossing a border or checkpoint. No country in the world has this right. If you want to travel by road from mainland US to Alaska -- you have to go through Canada. Canada's border guards and patrols have every right to enforce both their own entry regulations and Canada's laws while you are in our country.

Technically, you are correct but since the Israelis are preventing the establishment of a viable Palestinian state, it is moot whether it is impossible to have a corridor between the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

4. A dispute over territorial borders. The borders between Gaza and Israel are clear. There is no dispute about them, like there is between Israel, Area C and Areas A and B.

So-called areas is code for apartheid. All of them are in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

5. Having to live with a hostile population. There are no Jews in Gaza. And virtually no Christians remaining. it is virtually an entirely homogeneous population.

Gaza is as homogeneous today as the Warsaw Ghetto was between 1940 and 1943.

So, what exactly, are the Gazans "resisting"?

Bare subsistence ghettoization and periodic massacre.

Just your usual islamonazi brainwashing bullshit because you have no interest in the truth, just in seeing millions of dead Jews waiting to be cremetad. Have you heard that your name is at the top for the orderlies job of throwing the bodies on the pile to be incinereted

 

[Phoenall]

Apart from primitive harmless fireworks from Gaza or token attacks by individuals, the Palestinian people are defenseless.

This does, however, bring up an interesting point.

Why, do you think that, "harmless fireworks" and/or random "token" attacks by individuals would be harmful to a society? What would you suggest as an alternative to the way Israel currently responds to these attacks?

End the blockade and occupation. Stop choking the Palestinian people and stealing their land for illegal settlements.

End the violence and belligerence and the occupation will be lifted, that is how the rules work. When your method fails what then, will you demand that Israel stop defending against renewed violence, terrorism and illegal weapons ?

 

[Phoenall]

Listening to You, it's like there's no long tradition of Hamas using UN buildings.

Mixing melodrama with disinformation won't give You the fuller picture.

Need evidence? There's plenty

You are repeating Israeli lies about schools, hospitals, civilian neighborhoods, and even children playing football as legitimate military targets in your attempt to put abroad the notion that Palestinians who were born in Palestine or are the refugees from the creation of Israel have no right to live there and how proper it would be if they all disappeared. No doubt the Israelis could arrange for the transportation.

Problem is no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, will grant them a right of return back to their native homelands.

No Arab countries are preventing Palestinian refugees from returning to their homes in Israel, the land of their birth.

Really can the Palestinian Jews return to their homes in Gaza or Hebron?

I understand that Hebron is within the West Bank and there is a growing illegal settlement there where the IDF prevent Palestinians from living and working in their city. When Palestine is a free state, there will be no reason for Jews in Hebron to be Palestinian citizens.

The settlement has been there since before islam and Christianity was invented so how is it illegal. The Jewish inhabitants have land title issued by the Ottomans so how is it illegal.

In other words you will ethnically cleanse the area of Jews until you are left with 12 million bodies to dispose of

 

[Challenger]

Those Zionists in Israel should learn from Jordan how to deal with Palestinians...

You mean give them full citizenship and equal rights in an inclusive society?

Pity the Zionists are too racist and "supremacist" to do that; instead they prefer to "cut the grass" from time to time, just to show those pesky Palestinian "untermenschen" who the bosses are.

 

[Challenger]

And before Zionism the Palestinian Jews have been called the instigators too, Sefad and Tibereas destroyed, thousands expelled and murdered in Hebron and Jerusalem.
We know how this works...

Now in the 2000' You say a love summer of suicide bombers and rocket showers are 'pathetic attempts'- nothing has changed.

It's essential for a state and the variety of ethnicities in it to have the ability to inflict such consequences on their enemies.

We all know the consequences inflicted on European Jews by the Third Reich. This language is familiar.

Exactly, when they were saying Jews are aliens and persecuted them on that basis in Europe and elsewhere, they were also persecuted in Palestine at the same time.

Now that the Jews are in Israel- the language and tactics are still the same, although towards a state but still a minority in the ME.

The song never changed for centuries, and still Jews are being killed and cleansed in Palestine and the ME.

No, not so many Jews are being killed in the Middle East. Palestinians, now there is a people subject to periodic massacre and under occupation.

In the recent 150 history alone, how many Jews were expelled and massacred allover the ME and Palestine?

'Not so many' You say...maybe not enough for You

You are very close to having me cease reading and replying to your posts. I am beginning to feel what it is like trying to argue with a Zionist. I am getting nowhere and getting accused of wanting Jews murdered.

Welcome to my world...

 

[Hollie]

Those Zionists in Israel should learn from Jordan how to deal with Palestinians...

You mean give them full citizenship and equal rights in an inclusive society?

Pity the Zionists are too racist and "supremacist" to do that; instead they prefer to "cut the grass" from time to time, just to show those pesky Palestinian "untermenschen" who the bosses are.

Oh, gee whiz. How interesting that the Jordanians treat so many of their unwanted riff raff Pal'istanians in the same way as the rest of your Islamic paradises.

Palestinians unfairly stripped of citizenship in Jordan

Palestinians unfairly stripped of citizenship in Jordan

WASHINGTON, (IPS) - The Jordanian government should halt the arbitrary revocation of nationality from its citizens of Palestinian origin, according to a Human Rights Watch (HRW) report released Monday.

The report, “Stateless Again: Palestinian-Origin Jordanians Deprived of their Nationality,” details the Jordanian government’s efforts to strip more than 2,700 Jordanians of their citizenship between 2004 and 2008.

 

[rylah]

Exactly, when they were saying Jews are aliens and persecuted them on that basis in Europe and elsewhere, they were also persecuted in Palestine at the same time.

Now that the Jews are in Israel- the language and tactics are still the same, although towards a state but still a minority in the ME.

The song never changed for centuries, and still Jews are being killed and cleansed in Palestine and the ME.

No, not so many Jews are being killed in the Middle East. Palestinians, now there is a people subject to periodic massacre and under occupation.

In the recent 150 history alone, how many Jews were expelled and massacred allover the ME and Palestine?

'Not so many' You say...maybe not enough for You

You are very close to having me cease reading and replying to your posts. I am beginning to feel what it is like trying to argue with a Zionist. I am getting nowhere and getting accused of wanting Jews murdered.

Me Zionist?? Read my first post.

I think that reading more on the subject, understanding that literature and theology are not of interest to You, I'd suggest the history of Jews and Palestine before 1870. Better in a real library.
It will get You to think more broadly, and in more accurate terms rather than political hotwords.

I'm more interested in 1970 and 2017 rather than before 1870.

Therefore the lack of basic knowledge of the conflict and people at hand.
How can one grasp anything looking through a window of 47 years at a 200 year conflict?
This is laughable. No wonder all You have is a set of preprogrammed slogans written for You by others.

Are You coming here to preach or learn?

 

[Phoenall]

Those Zionists in Israel should learn from Jordan how to deal with Palestinians...

You mean give them full citizenship and equal rights in an inclusive society?

Pity the Zionists are too racist and "supremacist" to do that; instead they prefer to "cut the grass" from time to time, just to show those pesky Palestinian "untermenschen" who the bosses are.

Then mow them down inside their concentration camps and revoke their citizenship

 

[Eloy]

No, not so many Jews are being killed in the Middle East. Palestinians, now there is a people subject to periodic massacre and under occupation.

In the recent 150 history alone, how many Jews were expelled and massacred allover the ME and Palestine?

'Not so many' You say...maybe not enough for You

You are very close to having me cease reading and replying to your posts. I am beginning to feel what it is like trying to argue with a Zionist. I am getting nowhere and getting accused of wanting Jews murdered.

Me Zionist?? Read my first post.

I think that reading more on the subject, understanding that literature and theology are not of interest to You, I'd suggest the history of Jews and Palestine before 1870. Better in a real library.
It will get You to think more broadly, and in more accurate terms rather than political hotwords.

I'm more interested in 1970 and 2017 rather than before 1870.

Therefore the lack of basic knowledge of the conflict and people at hand.
How can one grasp anything looking through a window of 47 years at a 200 year conflict?
This is laughable. No wonder all You have is a set of preprogrammed slogans written for You by others.

Are You coming here to preach or learn?

I am not coming here to be lectured at.

 

[rylah]

In the recent 150 history alone, how many Jews were expelled and massacred allover the ME and Palestine?

'Not so many' You say...maybe not enough for You

You are very close to having me cease reading and replying to your posts. I am beginning to feel what it is like trying to argue with a Zionist. I am getting nowhere and getting accused of wanting Jews murdered.

Me Zionist?? Read my first post.

I think that reading more on the subject, understanding that literature and theology are not of interest to You, I'd suggest the history of Jews and Palestine before 1870. Better in a real library.
It will get You to think more broadly, and in more accurate terms rather than political hotwords.

I'm more interested in 1970 and 2017 rather than before 1870.

Therefore the lack of basic knowledge of the conflict and people at hand.
How can one grasp anything looking through a window of 47 years at a 200 year conflict?
This is laughable. No wonder all You have is a set of preprogrammed slogans written for You by others.

Are You coming here to preach or learn?

I am not coming here to be lectured at.

But reserve the right to lecture Israelis on what to do.

I'd like to see an actual argument.

 

[José]

Originally posted by rylah
Me Zionist??

 

[MJB12741]

Shame on the Zionists for placating endless Palestinian demands so they can stay to kill more Israeli's. When will they ever learn to treat the Palestinians like their own Arab brothers in surrounding Arab countries do & LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[montelatici]

Shame on the Zionists for placating endless Palestinian demands so they can stay to kill more Israeli's. When will they ever learn to treat the Palestinians like their own Arab brothers in surrounding Arab countries do & LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Yes, the Jew's should give citizenship to MOST the non-Jews under their rule just as the Jordanians gave citizenship to most of the Palestinians under their rule. Let's start with the non-Jews on the West Bank. LET THEIR BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[MJB12741]

Shame on the Zionists for placating endless Palestinian demands so they can stay to kill more Israeli's. When will they ever learn to treat the Palestinians like their own Arab brothers in surrounding Arab countries do & LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Has ANYONE EVER heard a single Palestinian or Palestinian supporter complaint on Jordan's Black September? The Zionists in Israel should learn from history how to achieve a lasting peace from Palestinians. No more of their damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions so Israel will be thanked with rocket missiles & endless hatred.

 

[Phoenall]

In the recent 150 history alone, how many Jews were expelled and massacred allover the ME and Palestine?

'Not so many' You say...maybe not enough for You

You are very close to having me cease reading and replying to your posts. I am beginning to feel what it is like trying to argue with a Zionist. I am getting nowhere and getting accused of wanting Jews murdered.

Me Zionist?? Read my first post.

I think that reading more on the subject, understanding that literature and theology are not of interest to You, I'd suggest the history of Jews and Palestine before 1870. Better in a real library.
It will get You to think more broadly, and in more accurate terms rather than political hotwords.

I'm more interested in 1970 and 2017 rather than before 1870.

Therefore the lack of basic knowledge of the conflict and people at hand.
How can one grasp anything looking through a window of 47 years at a 200 year conflict?
This is laughable. No wonder all You have is a set of preprogrammed slogans written for You by others.

Are You coming here to preach or learn?

I am not coming here to be lectured at.

Then stop being a prima donna and stupid

 

[Shusha]

Shame on the Zionists for placating endless Palestinian demands so they can stay to kill more Israeli's. When will they ever learn to treat the Palestinians like their own Arab brothers in surrounding Arab countries do & LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Yes, the Jew's should give citizenship to MOST the non-Jews under their rule just as the Jordanians gave citizenship to most of the Palestinians under their rule. Let's start with the non-Jews on the West Bank. LET THEIR BE PEACE ALREADY!

I find it interesting that some of our most vehement Team Palestine members actually argue against their self-determination. Why is that? Genuine question.

 

[MJB12741]

Shame on the Zionists for placating endless Palestinian demands so they can stay to kill more Israeli's. When will they ever learn to treat the Palestinians like their own Arab brothers in surrounding Arab countries do & LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Yes, the Jew's should give citizenship to MOST the non-Jews under their rule just as the Jordanians gave citizenship to most of the Palestinians under their rule. Let's start with the non-Jews on the West Bank. LET THEIR BE PEACE ALREADY!

I find it interesting that some of our most vehement Team Palestine members actually argue against their self-determination. Why is that? Genuine question.

Excellent question. Could the answer be because without Israel to provide for them any longer the Palestinians would kill each other over who will rule them & starve to death under self determination.

 

[montelatici]

Shame on the Zionists for placating endless Palestinian demands so they can stay to kill more Israeli's. When will they ever learn to treat the Palestinians like their own Arab brothers in surrounding Arab countries do & LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Yes, the Jew's should give citizenship to MOST the non-Jews under their rule just as the Jordanians gave citizenship to most of the Palestinians under their rule. Let's start with the non-Jews on the West Bank. LET THEIR BE PEACE ALREADY!

I find it interesting that some of our most vehement Team Palestine members actually argue against their self-determination. Why is that? Genuine question.

There is no longer the possibility for Palestinians to exercise self-determination, so the only good solution is a multi-ethnic state with equal rights for non-Jews.

 

[Hollie]

Shame on the Zionists for placating endless Palestinian demands so they can stay to kill more Israeli's. When will they ever learn to treat the Palestinians like their own Arab brothers in surrounding Arab countries do & LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Yes, the Jew's should give citizenship to MOST the non-Jews under their rule just as the Jordanians gave citizenship to most of the Palestinians under their rule. Let's start with the non-Jews on the West Bank. LET THEIR BE PEACE ALREADY!

I find it interesting that some of our most vehement Team Palestine members actually argue against their self-determination. Why is that? Genuine question.

There is no longer the possibility for Palestinians to exercise self-determination, so the only good solution is a multi-ethnic state with equal rights for non-Jews.

Israel already is a multi-ethnic state with equal rights. Why should Israel be burdened with masses of Arabs-Moslems with little or no education, marketable job skills or respect for western standards of political and social graces?

There's a reason why Israel is a world economy and a 21st century society.... and why Arab-Moslem'dom is not.