No Peace With Palestinians

[rylah]

It is beyond my understanding how Palestinians and their supporters fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the instigators of the violence for the consequences of the violence.

We do, the Zionists have instigated violence against Palestinians for decades. When the Palestinians resist their oppressors, their pathetic attempts pale into insignificance when compared with the Zionist bloodbaths they call "consequences".

And before Zionism the Palestinian Jews have been called the instigators too, Sefad and Tibereas destroyed, thousands expelled and murdered in Hebron and Jerusalem.
We know how this works...

Now in the 2000' You say a love summer of suicide bombers and rocket showers are 'pathetic attempts'- nothing has changed.

It's essential for a state and the variety of ethnicities in it to have the ability to inflict such consequences on their enemies.

We all know the consequences inflicted on European Jews by the Third Reich. This language is familiar.

Exactly, when they were saying Jews are aliens and persecuted them on that basis in Europe and elsewhere, they were also persecuted in Palestine at the same time.

Now that the Jews are in Israel- the language and tactics are still the same, although towards a state but still a minority in the ME.

The song never changed for centuries, and still Jews are being killed and cleansed in Palestine and the ME.

No, not so many Jews are being killed in the Middle East. Palestinians, now there is a people subject to periodic massacre and under occupation.

In the recent 150 history alone, how many Jews were expelled and massacred allover the ME and Palestine?

'Not so many' You say...maybe not enough for You

 

[rylah]

Would You give Your wife for entertainment too?

This is beneath you.

These are basic instincts.

When an army official bangs on Your door telling You he's building something underneath Your house where Your wife, children and parents live You'd have no objections?

When the Israelis drop a bomb on your block of apartments and you have to get your family out including grandad in his wheelchair and toddlers before the next big bomb. You'd have no objections?

Well my stupidity would be one. It's common sense that You don't let guys with ammunition and explosives go anywhere near Your family.
If one has no control over, he can make sure to send his family to a safer place.

If one get's to a position where a foreign army already classified his residence as a military installation, then he really took his time or was quiet ignorant of the situation.
However it takes more than a day to build a storage or a tunnel underneath a house.

The people in Gaza were born there or are refugees from the creation of Israel. They have a right to live in peace in their homeland and not have to arrange kinder-transport to countries that will accept them.

The Israelis can classify a UN school full of children as a military target and then it's Bombs Away!

Listening to You, it's like there's no long tradition of Hamas using UN buildings.

Mixing melodrama with disinformation won't give You the fuller picture.

Need evidence? There's plenty

 

[Hollie]

It is beyond my understanding how Palestinians and their supporters fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the instigators of the violence for the consequences of the violence.

We do, the Zionists have instigated violence against Palestinians for decades. When the Palestinians resist their oppressors, their pathetic attempts pale into insignificance when compared with the Zionist bloodbaths they call "consequences".

And before Zionism the Palestinian Jews have been called the instigators too, Sefad and Tibereas destroyed, thousands expelled and murdered in Hebron and Jerusalem.
We know how this works...

Now in the 2000' You say a love summer of suicide bombers and rocket showers are 'pathetic attempts'- nothing has changed.

It's essential for a state and the variety of ethnicities in it to have the ability to inflict such consequences on their enemies.

We all know the consequences inflicted on European Jews by the Third Reich. This language is familiar.

Exactly, when they were saying Jews are aliens and persecuted them on that basis in Europe and elsewhere, they were also persecuted in Palestine at the same time.

Now that the Jews are in Israel- the language and tactics are still the same, although towards a state but still a minority in the ME.

The song never changed for centuries, and still Jews are being killed and cleansed in Palestine and the ME.

No, not so many Jews are being killed in the Middle East. Palestinians, now there is a people subject to periodic massacre and under occupation.

Not so many Jews are being killed in the Islamic Middle East because the Israelis have learned that force of arms is the only way to ensure their safety from the periodic attempts at their destruction by Arabs-Moslems.

 

[MJB12741]

We do, the Zionists have instigated violence against Palestinians for decades. When the Palestinians resist their oppressors, their pathetic attempts pale into insignificance when compared with the Zionist bloodbaths they call "consequences".

And before Zionism the Palestinian Jews have been called the instigators too, Sefad and Tibereas destroyed, thousands expelled and murdered in Hebron and Jerusalem.
We know how this works...

Now in the 2000' You say a love summer of suicide bombers and rocket showers are 'pathetic attempts'- nothing has changed.

It's essential for a state and the variety of ethnicities in it to have the ability to inflict such consequences on their enemies.

We all know the consequences inflicted on European Jews by the Third Reich. This language is familiar.

Exactly, when they were saying Jews are aliens and persecuted them on that basis in Europe and elsewhere, they were also persecuted in Palestine at the same time.

Now that the Jews are in Israel- the language and tactics are still the same, although towards a state but still a minority in the ME.

The song never changed for centuries, and still Jews are being killed and cleansed in Palestine and the ME.

No, not so many Jews are being killed in the Middle East. Palestinians, now there is a people subject to periodic massacre and under occupation.

Not so many Jews are being killed in the Islamic Middle East because the Israelis have learned that force of arms is the only way to ensure their safety from the periodic attempts at their destruction by Arabs-Moslems.

Pali's & their supporters don't seem to understand that if you don't want dead Palestinians, don't attack & kill any Israeli's. Truly amazing how when Israel retaliates after Palestinians attack Israeli's they then bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's. It's called Palestinian mentality.

 

[Challenger]

Blockading Gaza and periodically massacring defenseless children and families there is an instigation of violence that is off the scale.

The Palestinian people do not have the military means to resist the violent occupation of their homeland.

With political cover for Israeli violence from the USA, no one can do anything about Israeli state terrorism.

Apart from primitive harmless fireworks from Gaza or token attacks by individuals, the Palestinian people are defenseless.

Palestinians should stop resisting. They aren't capable of fielding real army then they aren't capable of being a country.

Would you? Would anyone in their situation? Throughout history the victims of oppression have resisted their oppressors, it's basic human nature.

Good movie
It shows that sometimes resistance does more harm than good. What is the point of resistance if you don't gain anything by doing it. That you in fact do yourself and your people more harm than you do to the so called enemy. There comes a time when resistance should change to acceptance and cooperation.

...and the main charachters are still resisting the occupation by the end of episode 10, thanks for proving my point. Looks like an interesting take on how the people of America would behave if they were Palestinians.

By Season 2 episode one the leader of the resistance proves to be a graphic designer with a penchant for making posters. The leader of the main cell turns his own cell mates in for a key to the exit gate. And the resistance ends up killing lots of innocent people before they are finally destroyed by Homeland Security.

If you say so. The second series only started this month, but if you are correct it's just a Hollywood propaganda piece with invading aliens as the good guys....ooo, where have we seen that scenario? Oh yes, the Zionist invasion of Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

It is beyond my understanding how any person thinks its funny to mock the families of dead Palestinian children. There is something not quite human in those who portray themselves as Friends of Israel.

It is beyond my understanding how Palestinians and their supporters fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the instigators of the violence for the consequences of the violence.

Forgive me but only Israelis and American politicians (as well as Evangelical Christians) think as you do.

And your point is?

That people actually shouldn't be held responsible for instigating violence?

Blockading Gaza and periodically massacring defenseless children and families there is an instigation of violence that is off the scale.

That people should not receive any consequences for instigating violence?

The Palestinian people do not have the military means to resist the violent occupation of their homeland.

That violence should be permitted?

With political cover for Israeli violence from the USA, no one can do anything about Israeli state terrorism.

That violence should not be responded to?
That violence should not be defended against?

Apart from primitive harmless fireworks from Gaza or token attacks by individuals, the Palestinian people are defenseless.

Do you know why the blockade went on, or is that of no consequence to your way of thinking. The palestinians have it in their grasp to force the lifting of the blockade but prefer to engage in violence, war crimes and flouting of international law. If hamas obeyed the Geneva conventions and placed their military positions in the open ground then not one civilian would be harmed, so blame the deaths on hamas and not Israel who do it all by the book and give warning of when and where they will be bombing.
They have the legal means and refuse to use it
Not pertinent to the question asked
Just more lies from the hate sites as the qasams are deadly weapons as shown when they explode in gaza and kill tens of civilians. Your weak excuse wont wash as the evidence shows the damage done by qasams is extensive. That is why the UN has proclaimed them illegal weapons.

 

[Hollie]

Palestinians should stop resisting. They aren't capable of fielding real army then they aren't capable of being a country.

Would you? Would anyone in their situation? Throughout history the victims of oppression have resisted their oppressors, it's basic human nature.

Good movie
It shows that sometimes resistance does more harm than good. What is the point of resistance if you don't gain anything by doing it. That you in fact do yourself and your people more harm than you do to the so called enemy. There comes a time when resistance should change to acceptance and cooperation.

...and the main charachters are still resisting the occupation by the end of episode 10, thanks for proving my point. Looks like an interesting take on how the people of America would behave if they were Palestinians.

By Season 2 episode one the leader of the resistance proves to be a graphic designer with a penchant for making posters. The leader of the main cell turns his own cell mates in for a key to the exit gate. And the resistance ends up killing lots of innocent people before they are finally destroyed by Homeland Security.

If you say so. The second series only started this month, but if you are correct it's just a Hollywood propaganda piece with invading aliens as the good guys....ooo, where have we seen that scenario? Oh yes, the Zionist invasion of Palestine.

When did this "invasion" you rattle on about take place? You, and an identifiable few others, hurl the "invasion" slogan but none of you are ever able to cite a historical reference.

Maybe there's a shared pathology among you "invasion'ists"?

 

[Phoenall]

It is beyond my understanding how Palestinians and their supporters fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the instigators of the violence for the consequences of the violence.

Forgive me but only Israelis and American politicians (as well as Evangelical Christians) think as you do.

And your point is?

That people actually shouldn't be held responsible for instigating violence?

Blockading Gaza and periodically massacring defenseless children and families there is an instigation of violence that is off the scale.

That people should not receive any consequences for instigating violence?

The Palestinian people do not have the military means to resist the violent occupation of their homeland.

That violence should be permitted?

With political cover for Israeli violence from the USA, no one can do anything about Israeli state terrorism.

That violence should not be responded to?
That violence should not be defended against?

Apart from primitive harmless fireworks from Gaza or token attacks by individuals, the Palestinian people are defenseless.

Palestinians should stop resisting. They aren't capable of fielding real army then they aren't capable of being a country.

By-and-large the Palestinians have stopped their resistance (intifada).

Is this the latest lie going round the hate sites

 

[Phoenall]

It is beyond my understanding how Palestinians and their supporters fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the instigators of the violence for the consequences of the violence.

Forgive me but only Israelis and American politicians (as well as Evangelical Christians) think as you do.

And your point is?

That people actually shouldn't be held responsible for instigating violence?

Blockading Gaza and periodically massacring defenseless children and families there is an instigation of violence that is off the scale.

That people should not receive any consequences for instigating violence?

The Palestinian people do not have the military means to resist the violent occupation of their homeland.

That violence should be permitted?

With political cover for Israeli violence from the USA, no one can do anything about Israeli state terrorism.

That violence should not be responded to?
That violence should not be defended against?

Apart from primitive harmless fireworks from Gaza or token attacks by individuals, the Palestinian people are defenseless.

Your answer shows dissatisfaction with the armed resistance.
What would You do as a Gazan if a Hamas team comes to dig a tunnel underneath Your house?

In Gaza? I would consider myself lucky to have a house.

Not if you are hamas, then you would have a mansion

 

[Phoenall]

And your point is?

That people actually shouldn't be held responsible for instigating violence?

Blockading Gaza and periodically massacring defenseless children and families there is an instigation of violence that is off the scale.

That people should not receive any consequences for instigating violence?

The Palestinian people do not have the military means to resist the violent occupation of their homeland.

That violence should be permitted?

With political cover for Israeli violence from the USA, no one can do anything about Israeli state terrorism.

That violence should not be responded to?
That violence should not be defended against?

Apart from primitive harmless fireworks from Gaza or token attacks by individuals, the Palestinian people are defenseless.

Palestinians should stop resisting. They aren't capable of fielding real army then they aren't capable of being a country.

Would you? Would anyone in their situation? Throughout history the victims of oppression have resisted their oppressors, it's basic human nature.

Good movie
It shows that sometimes resistance does more harm than good. What is the point of resistance if you don't gain anything by doing it. That you in fact do yourself and your people more harm than you do to the so called enemy. There comes a time when resistance should change to acceptance and cooperation.

So the Palestinians should cooperate while Israel bulldozes their homes to make room for illegal settlements?

The settlements are only illegal if you ignore international treaties. Stop attacking the Jews and you will not see your house demolished

 

[Phoenall]

And your point is?

That people actually shouldn't be held responsible for instigating violence?

Blockading Gaza and periodically massacring defenseless children and families there is an instigation of violence that is off the scale.

That people should not receive any consequences for instigating violence?

The Palestinian people do not have the military means to resist the violent occupation of their homeland.

That violence should be permitted?

With political cover for Israeli violence from the USA, no one can do anything about Israeli state terrorism.

That violence should not be responded to?
That violence should not be defended against?

Apart from primitive harmless fireworks from Gaza or token attacks by individuals, the Palestinian people are defenseless.

Your answer shows dissatisfaction with the armed resistance.
What would You do as a Gazan if a Hamas team comes to dig a tunnel underneath Your house?

In Gaza? I would consider myself lucky to have a house.

So You're lucky to have a house, Hamas team comes to dig a tunnel underneath it, what do You do?

Hamas are the only ones doing anything for the people of Gaza. No one else is.

Like killing more civilians than the IDF do. Stealing all the supplies sent in for sale on the black market

 

[Phoenall]

Your answer shows dissatisfaction with the armed resistance.
What would You do as a Gazan if a Hamas team comes to dig a tunnel underneath Your house?

In Gaza? I would consider myself lucky to have a house.

So You're lucky to have a house, Hamas team comes to dig a tunnel underneath it, what do You do?

Thank them for building me an air raid shelter....

Would You give Your wife for entertainment too?

This is beneath you.

NO it is seeing if you are prepared to do anything to keep your dhimmi status

 

[Phoenall]

It is beyond my understanding how any person thinks its funny to mock the families of dead Palestinian children. There is something not quite human in those who portray themselves as Friends of Israel.

It is beyond my understanding how Palestinians and their supporters fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the instigators of the violence for the consequences of the violence.

We do, the Zionists have instigated violence against Palestinians for decades. When the Palestinians resist their oppressors, their pathetic attempts pale into insignificance when compared with the Zionist bloodbaths they call "consequences".

And before Zionism the Palestinian Jews have been called the instigators too, Sefad and Tibereas destroyed, thousands expelled and murdered in Hebron and Jerusalem.
We know how this works...

Now in the 2000' You say a love summer of suicide bombers and rocket showers are 'pathetic attempts'- nothing has changed.

It's essential for a state and the variety of ethnicities in it to have the ability to inflict such consequences on their enemies.

We all know the consequences inflicted on European Jews by the Third Reich. This language is familiar.

And you are repeating them all over again because Jew hatred is running wild. Put a few leaders of the Nazi groups in prison for life and you will see the changes taking place very fast

 

[Phoenall]

So You're lucky to have a house, Hamas team comes to dig a tunnel underneath it, what do You do?

Thank them for building me an air raid shelter....

Would You give Your wife for entertainment too?

This is beneath you.

These are basic instincts.

When an army official bangs on Your door telling You he's building something underneath Your house where Your wife, children and parents live You'd have no objections?

When the Israelis drop a bomb on your block of apartments and you have to get your family out including grandad in his wheelchair and toddlers before the next big bomb. You'd have no objections?

Not when I voted for the rulers to use my block as an illegal weapons firing point putting me in danger.

 

[MJB12741]

Blockading Gaza and periodically massacring defenseless children and families there is an instigation of violence that is off the scale.

The Palestinian people do not have the military means to resist the violent occupation of their homeland.

With political cover for Israeli violence from the USA, no one can do anything about Israeli state terrorism.

Apart from primitive harmless fireworks from Gaza or token attacks by individuals, the Palestinian people are defenseless.

Palestinians should stop resisting. They aren't capable of fielding real army then they aren't capable of being a country.

Would you? Would anyone in their situation? Throughout history the victims of oppression have resisted their oppressors, it's basic human nature.

Good movie
It shows that sometimes resistance does more harm than good. What is the point of resistance if you don't gain anything by doing it. That you in fact do yourself and your people more harm than you do to the so called enemy. There comes a time when resistance should change to acceptance and cooperation.

So the Palestinians should cooperate while Israel bulldozes their homes to make room for illegal settlements?

Palestinian acts cause Israel to react & the Pali's lose every time. Those Zionists in Israel should learn from Jordan how to deal with Palestinians & LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!




The settlements are only illegal if you ignore international treaties. Stop attacking the Jews and you will not see your house demolished

 

[MJB12741]

Palestinian acts cause Israel to react & the Pali's lose every time. Those Zionists in Israel should learn from Jordan how to deal with Palestinians & LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[Eloy]

This is beneath you.

These are basic instincts.

When an army official bangs on Your door telling You he's building something underneath Your house where Your wife, children and parents live You'd have no objections?

When the Israelis drop a bomb on your block of apartments and you have to get your family out including grandad in his wheelchair and toddlers before the next big bomb. You'd have no objections?

Well my stupidity would be one. It's common sense that You don't let guys with ammunition and explosives go anywhere near Your family.
If one has no control over, he can make sure to send his family to a safer place.

If one get's to a position where a foreign army already classified his residence as a military installation, then he really took his time or was quiet ignorant of the situation.
However it takes more than a day to build a storage or a tunnel underneath a house.

The people in Gaza were born there or are refugees from the creation of Israel. They have a right to live in peace in their homeland and not have to arrange kinder-transport to countries that will accept them.

The Israelis can classify a UN school full of children as a military target and then it's Bombs Away!

Listening to You, it's like there's no long tradition of Hamas using UN buildings.

Mixing melodrama with disinformation won't give You the fuller picture.

Need evidence? There's plenty

You are repeating Israeli lies about schools, hospitals, civilian neighborhoods, and even children playing football as legitimate military targets in your attempt to put abroad the notion that Palestinians who were born in Palestine or are the refugees from the creation of Israel have no right to live there and how proper it would be if they all disappeared. No doubt the Israelis could arrange for the transportation.

 

[MJB12741]

These are basic instincts.

When an army official bangs on Your door telling You he's building something underneath Your house where Your wife, children and parents live You'd have no objections?

When the Israelis drop a bomb on your block of apartments and you have to get your family out including grandad in his wheelchair and toddlers before the next big bomb. You'd have no objections?

Well my stupidity would be one. It's common sense that You don't let guys with ammunition and explosives go anywhere near Your family.
If one has no control over, he can make sure to send his family to a safer place.

If one get's to a position where a foreign army already classified his residence as a military installation, then he really took his time or was quiet ignorant of the situation.
However it takes more than a day to build a storage or a tunnel underneath a house.

The people in Gaza were born there or are refugees from the creation of Israel. They have a right to live in peace in their homeland and not have to arrange kinder-transport to countries that will accept them.

The Israelis can classify a UN school full of children as a military target and then it's Bombs Away!

Listening to You, it's like there's no long tradition of Hamas using UN buildings.

Mixing melodrama with disinformation won't give You the fuller picture.

Need evidence? There's plenty

You are repeating Israeli lies about schools, hospitals, civilian neighborhoods, and even children playing football as legitimate military targets in your attempt to put abroad the notion that Palestinians who were born in Palestine or are the refugees from the creation of Israel have no right to live there and how proper it would be if they all disappeared. No doubt the Israelis could arrange for the transportation.

Problem is no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, will grant them a right of return back to their native homelands.

 

[Eloy]

We do, the Zionists have instigated violence against Palestinians for decades. When the Palestinians resist their oppressors, their pathetic attempts pale into insignificance when compared with the Zionist bloodbaths they call "consequences".

And before Zionism the Palestinian Jews have been called the instigators too, Sefad and Tibereas destroyed, thousands expelled and murdered in Hebron and Jerusalem.
We know how this works...

Now in the 2000' You say a love summer of suicide bombers and rocket showers are 'pathetic attempts'- nothing has changed.

It's essential for a state and the variety of ethnicities in it to have the ability to inflict such consequences on their enemies.

We all know the consequences inflicted on European Jews by the Third Reich. This language is familiar.

Exactly, when they were saying Jews are aliens and persecuted them on that basis in Europe and elsewhere, they were also persecuted in Palestine at the same time.

Now that the Jews are in Israel- the language and tactics are still the same, although towards a state but still a minority in the ME.

The song never changed for centuries, and still Jews are being killed and cleansed in Palestine and the ME.

No, not so many Jews are being killed in the Middle East. Palestinians, now there is a people subject to periodic massacre and under occupation.

In the recent 150 history alone, how many Jews were expelled and massacred allover the ME and Palestine?

'Not so many' You say...maybe not enough for You

You are very close to having me cease reading and replying to your posts. I am beginning to feel what it is like trying to argue with a Zionist. I am getting nowhere and getting accused of wanting Jews murdered.

 

[Eloy]

When the Israelis drop a bomb on your block of apartments and you have to get your family out including grandad in his wheelchair and toddlers before the next big bomb. You'd have no objections?

Well my stupidity would be one. It's common sense that You don't let guys with ammunition and explosives go anywhere near Your family.
If one has no control over, he can make sure to send his family to a safer place.

If one get's to a position where a foreign army already classified his residence as a military installation, then he really took his time or was quiet ignorant of the situation.
However it takes more than a day to build a storage or a tunnel underneath a house.

The people in Gaza were born there or are refugees from the creation of Israel. They have a right to live in peace in their homeland and not have to arrange kinder-transport to countries that will accept them.

The Israelis can classify a UN school full of children as a military target and then it's Bombs Away!

Listening to You, it's like there's no long tradition of Hamas using UN buildings.

Mixing melodrama with disinformation won't give You the fuller picture.

Need evidence? There's plenty

You are repeating Israeli lies about schools, hospitals, civilian neighborhoods, and even children playing football as legitimate military targets in your attempt to put abroad the notion that Palestinians who were born in Palestine or are the refugees from the creation of Israel have no right to live there and how proper it would be if they all disappeared. No doubt the Israelis could arrange for the transportation.

Problem is no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, will grant them a right of return back to their native homelands.

No Arab countries are preventing Palestinian refugees from returning to their homes in Israel, the land of their birth.