NO EXIT? How will the U S be able to extricate itself from Trump's "little excursion"?

Right on cue --- three weeks after the first cowardly attacks --- he made his first public remarks today , that he is considering winding down the war .

As predicted .

And --- I repeat -- it has nothing to do with low Missile and Ammunition reserves or Israel taking such a terrible pounding .

Perish the thought .
 
rightwinger said:
Is that the TRUMP Docrine?
Attack a country and leave 90 million people to starve?
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Why would you assume they would starve without the US militarily intervening. We’ve been bombing Somalia since Obama was President. Yemen as well. Those people don’t seem to be starving or if they are you don’t seem concerned about it.
 
Couchpotato said:
I have no idea what he does or doesn’t know and neither do you. You do know what you know so give me a number
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There it is, the small crack in the ironclad support, the admission he might not know. Open that door and step on through.
 
Matted Joybeard said:
There it is, the small crack in the ironclad support, the admission he might not know. Open that door and step on through.
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Pointing out where you are wrong isnt support of anyone. It's just pointing out where you're wrong.
 
Couchpotato said:
Deflecting Joybeard. I dont know why youre running away from the question.
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Cuckpotato, if you want to start a discussion about me, feel free to start a thread, lol.

Posting the news of US troop movements, how there's historic parallels of these types of things starting small and then ballooning in scope with a massive price in blood in treasure, is a normal conversation which for some reason you want to suppress and then deflect with a dumb question of what I think it takes in terms of troops to take Iran. It's Trump calling the shots and putting the troops into harms way, which you yourself admit you have no idea if Trump knows what the hell he's doing or what is required, and instead deflect to 'well, do you know how many it would take' which is totally not the subject here, especially since myself and no one else is ordering troops around. Like ****, its like trying to talk to some ADHD C-grade middle schooler.
 
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Matted Joybeard said:
Cuckpotato, if you want to start a discussion about me, feel free to start a thread, lol.

Posting the news of US troop movements, how there's historic parallels of these types of things starting small and then ballooning in scope with a massive price in blood in treasure, is a normal conversation which for some reason you want to suppress and then deflect with a dumb question of what I think it takes in terms of troops to take Iran.
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Which is why I have been pointing out that this isn't NEWs. Every Carrier Battle Group has a MEU SOC attached to it. This isn't evidence of a troop build up in preparation for an invasion of Iran. There has been a CBG with it's attached MEU SOC in that region basically every day of your life. They cycle in and out on a 6-9 month rotation. There is always a MEU SOC deployed, one in training and one in recoup. Me pointing that out isn't suppressing anything. I didn't say people shouldn't post it. I didn't say the News shouldn't report it. I do think if you are going to post about it you should have some modicum of knowledge about it though. (which you clearly do not).

The reason I asked how many troops you think it would take to invade Iran was to illustrate how silly it is to think that the 2500-5000 Marines (the number varies) that are on a MEU SOC wouldn't scratch the surface. The force that invaded Iraq in 2003 was 160k. It took 3 months to get all the people and equipment there. We weren't actively fighting Iraq at the time and we had 3 countries that bordered Iraq who were amendable to the US staging men and equipment there as well as 3 already established Air Bases in those countries, and ports we had already been utilizing. The force required to invade Iran would dwarf the Iraq invasion force. We would need 4-5 times that number of troops. Some estimates put the number at 1.6 million. Do you think the admin is going to sneak 500k troops into the Gulf region on the border with Iran 2500 at a time? If we did that each week the next President would be halfway through his term before we get the requisite number of troops there. Not to mention that we are in an active conflict with Iran, and any troops we staged in the area would be subject to attack. We don't have countries that border Iran who would likely be amenable to us staging large numbers of troops there.

Matted Joybeard said:
It's Trump calling the shots and putting the troops into harms way, which you yourself admit you have no idea if Trump knows what the hell he's doing or what is required, and instead deflect to 'well, do you know how many it would take' which is totally not the subject here, especially since myself and no one else is ordering troops around. Like ****, its like trying to talk to some ADHD C-grade middle schooler.
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I didn't say that I thought Trump didn't know I said I have no idea what he does or doesn't not and neither do you. I'm quite sure if there has been ANY discussion of an invasion the President gets briefed on what that entails. Do you think Presidents do the planning for shit like this? If a troop build up happens don't worry we will all know.

But you're right Im the one with the C Grade Middle school understanding of this stuff.....
 
Couchpotato said:
Which is why I have been pointing out that this isn't NEWs. Every Carrier Battle Group has a MEU SOC attached to it. This isn't evidence of a troop build up in preparation for an invasion of Iran. There has been a CBG with it's attached MEU SOC in that region basically every day of your life. They cycle in and out on a 6-9 month rotation. There is always a MEU SOC deployed, one in training and one in recoup. Me pointing that out isn't suppressing anything. I didn't say people shouldn't post it. I didn't say the News shouldn't report it. I do think if you are going to post about it you should have some modicum of knowledge about it though. (which you clearly do not).

The reason I asked how many troops you think it would take to invade Iran was to illustrate how silly it is to think that the 2500-5000 Marines (the number varies) that are on a MEU SOC wouldn't scratch the surface. The force that invaded Iraq in 2003 was 160k. It took 3 months to get all the people and equipment there. We weren't actively fighting Iraq at the time and we had 3 countries that bordered Iraq who were amendable to the US staging men and equipment there as well as 3 already established Air Bases in those countries, and ports we had already been utilizing. The force required to invade Iran would dwarf the Iraq invasion force. We would need 4-5 times that number of troops. Some estimates put the number at 1.6 million. Do you think the admin is going to sneak 500k troops into the Gulf region on the border with Iran 2500 at a time? If we did that each week the next President would be halfway through his term before we get the requisite number of troops there. Not to mention that we are in an active conflict with Iran, and any troops we staged in the area would be subject to attack. We don't have countries that border Iran who would likely be amenable to us staging large numbers of troops there.



I didn't say that I thought Trump didn't know I said I have no idea what he does or doesn't not and neither do you. I'm quite sure if there has been ANY discussion of an invasion the President gets briefed on what that entails. Do you think Presidents do the planning for shit like this? If a troop build up happens don't worry we will all know.

But you're right Im the one with the C Grade Middle school understanding of this stuff.....
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Appreciate the effort post even if it was motivated by a little insecurity on your part. Seriously, thanks for the perspective, even if it lacks some necessary imagination with regards to history.

That said, troops moving around the time is normal however in this case they are going to an active war zone and the admin has been threatening boots on the ground to secure a key Iranian oil facility. Maybe that doesn't happen, maybe it does and maybe it goes great and nothing happens to them. Or they land and things go the wrong way because the admin failed to seriously entertain worse case scenarios, like with Hormuz being closed all the regional energy infrastructure being hit and the global economic fallout - and then we escalate and who knows where that leads.

We have mendacious, bloodlust fueled, sycophant staffed admin, to borrow a phrase from Trump - the likes we have never seen before, running things which makes it uncontroversially difficult to have full faith in their ability to make the right calls.
 
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