No 'Deals' With Israel, Unless We Get Everything We Want

[Billo_Really]

Oh, but they do... on Israeli terms... and they've got the muscle to make it go their way.

Not when the whole world is against them and what they want is against the law.

 

[Kondor3]

Oh, but they do... on Israeli terms... and they've got the muscle to make it go their way.

Not when the whole world is against them and what they want is against the law.

In the main, the only parts of the world that are 'against' Israel are dominated by Islam.

In the main, the only non-Muslim countries that officially censure Israel are those which are obliged to kiss Arab ass, in order to have access to oil, and many of those do so oh-so-imperfectly and oh-so-insincerely and oh-so-disingenuously, and support Israel and laugh at the Arabs and Muslims behind the scenes.

In the main, the rest of the world isn't really all that vested in this boring, bloody 65-year-old squabble, and just wants it go away, regardless of the outcome.

Wake us up when the 'whole world' actually DOES something about it, eh?

Until then, all you've got is a bunch of blah, blah, blah...

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There are a couple of perspectives you left out.

Noura Erekat is implying that in 1948, the establishment of the State of Israel was actually the Jewish Occupation of the land bounded by the Part II - UN General Resolution 181(II), as implemented through the UN Palestine Commission, as outlined in the Part I - Section B - the Steps Preparatory to Independence.

You keep bringing up resolution 181 like it means something.

When the foreigners declared the state of Israel inside Palestine they referenced resolution 181.

However:

They had already violated the proposed borders.
They had already violated Jerusalem.
They had already violated the rights of the non Jewish population.

What part of resolution 181 were they referring to?

(COMMENT)

• POINT: They had already violated the proposed borders.
  
  • COUNTER-POINT: The "proposed borders" were based on the premise that the Arab-Palestinian would live in peace with its neighbors;" the same premise on which the "right of return is based." But the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) did not do that. On the very day that the "Jewish State" component was implemented, the HoAP, in concert with five "peaceful" Arab States (external influences and primary instigators) openly attacked the new State. As a consequence of initiating the conflict, some territory (originally allocated to be part of the rejected Arab State) was overtaken in hot pursuit of retreating aggressor Arab Forces. It should be noted that Egypt and Jordan took, by armed force, the Gaza Strip and West Bank, respectively.

• POINT: They had already violated Jerusalem.
  
  • COUNTER-POINT: It was the Arab Legion (mostly Jordanian Forces) that immediately invaded and moved-in to Jerusalem and the Jewish Quarter on the Eastern side of the Old City. The Jewish Quarter was destroyed, and all but one synagogue were destroyed, and all Jewish residents routed from the homes and businesses. Included in the process was the destruction of the main Jewish Cemetery which was ransacked, looted, and graves desecrated by Arab grave robbers.

• POINT: They had already violated the rights of the non Jewish population.
  
  • COUNTER-POINT: The Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) in concert with five "peaceful" Arab States, were not the least bit concerned about the rights of the Jewish people. Neither side played by the rules. The cry for the recognition of 'rights" by the HoAP is only an issue because the HoAP lost ever attempt to it has made to supplant the intent of the Partition Plan and defy the General Assembly. Prior to the establishment of the Jewish State, the HoAP made threats and boasted with pride and solemn oath to ethnically cleanse the territory of "every man, women and child." The HoAP had no moral concern for the rights due the Jewish People; but were proudly pursuing genocide by intent, deeds, and action.

• POINT: What part of resolution 181 were they referring to?
  
  • Part I - Section B - the Steps Preparatory to Independence.
  • COUNTER-POINT: This is a question that is almost too child-like to answer. The HoAP, with 5 Arab Armies, attempt to overturn the implementation, by use of military force, the resolution passed by the General Assembly and implemented by the UN Security Council through the Palestinian Commission. After 5 Arab Armies fail in their attempt to defy the UN decision, --- they THEN try to use as a defense, the fact the process was interrupted because of an invasion they themselves orchestrated.

With the Palestinians, what has happened to them is everybody else's fault, except theirs. They had nothing to do with the failure of peace and claim their is nothing they could have done to avoid the conflict. They didn't participate in any riots, instigate any conflict, take part in any massacre, raise any arms, murder unarmed persons, and were not involved in any hijackings, suicide attempts, or bombings. They certainly didn't attack civilians, or launch indiscriminate rocket and mortar attacks; --- they were the poor and innocent --- just like their venerated martyr Sheik Izz ad-din al-Qassam and the Palestinian Black Hand (a public service activity and prayer group). And they don't openly support Jihad-ism or armed activity by the Fedayeen.

With the HoAP, there is an ever increasing trend to promote the idea that whatever happened to disrupt regional peace and security it was always someone else's fault; Israel for an invasion, the UN, the Mandatory, and the Allied Powers for supporting Israel. An increasingly large section of Arab society seems to think that a perfect life for the Palestinians should be handed to them on a plate, and when political outcomes don't work out to their expectations, there is always that elusive “someone” (other then themselves) to blame.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Kondor3]

That's mighty-white-o-them, considering that Hamas is sitting at the poker table with one card left to draw in a 5-card game, and that they've got a 2, 6 and 9 showing... Hamas needs to keep their big mouths shut and take whatever they can get at this late stage, before they bring total disaster down upon the heads of the Palestinians. The losers in a struggle for land do not dictate terms. If they don't like it, the Israelis can always provide a Convincing Lesson far more terrible than and far more devastating to Hamas than anything served-up to date.

You're really into this 'might makes right' BS!...

Only insofar as Israel is concerned, and only insofar as acquiring the remainder of their old homeland is concerned, because such an approach is necessary in order to break the deadlock and complete the acquisition, which, in turn, is essential to the long-term survival and sustainability of the State of Israel - something that I favor for several reasons.

Outside that framework, not really.

Force has its limitations - and its uses, to cut Gordian Knots and to get past otherwise impossible and intolerable deadlocks and such.

One must have the pragmatism and intelligence to know when to use it, and when not to use it.

And the balls to use it, when the time does come.

Wake me up when you have the muscle lined-up to enforce your will upon the situation.

...That shit never lasts..."

You are dealing with a People who have endured and managed to retain their identity and a modicum of cohesion in Exile and despite numerous attempts at exterminating them - spanning the better part of 2,000 years; all accomplished without the kind of awesome power now at their disposal.

Come back in 100 years and Israel will still be there, long after the so-called Palestinians have been shunted off to Jordan and Lebanon and long after great-great Grandpa Abdullah's Intifada II photo still-shots have been donated to a cultural preservation museum as a curio.

Come back in 1000 years and Israel will still be there, and the so-called Palestinians will be little more than a footnote in the history texts; long-since assimilated into the Arab populations of the surrounding polities and nonexistent as a recognizable collective.

Playing the 'Durability' and 'Sustainability' Card against the All-Time Endurance Champions (the Jews) is not a good bet... regardless of whether we are talking about survival, now that they have their old Homeland back, or whether we are talking about military force (in a neighbor-deterring or hold-against-the-world context), or most anything else.

In truth, Israel need only rely upon Might Makes Right until the Palestinians are shoved across the borders to Jordan and Lebanon, after which they'll be content, and need merely hold what they have; slipping into a more commonplace Defensive Posture.

And, based upon the Palestinians own maps of rapidly-diminishing land-mass that they control, well, it looks as though we don't have much longer to wait, relatively speaking, until the so-called Palestinians are shoved out of the picture, and Israel finally has complete control over all the land, from river to sea, and moves its own people in to fill the vacuum.

The Jews have tried playing it 'by the rules' for centuries and have repeatedly been persecuted and cheated and lied-to and gotten slaughtered for their trouble. No more.

To them, this is about Rebirth as a Polity (as a political entity for their People) and their ultimate Survival as a People, and I really don't think they give a rat's ass what you - or I - or the rest of the world - think about them pressuring the Palestinians to leave.

They know they have a wide latitude in dealing with the Palestinian Crazies and they will, quite probably, continue to capitalize upon that latitude for another decade or two until the job is done.

"...In fact, the ones walking around thinking they can impose their will on others, usually whined up being someone's little bitch!"

There seems to be little danger that Israel will end-up being someone's 'bitch'; especially given their under-performing, impotent, incompetent and comical neighbors.

 

[P F Tinmore]

POINT: They had already violated the proposed borders.

COUNTER-POINT: The "proposed borders" were based on the premise that the Arab-Palestinian would live in peace with its neighbors;" the same premise on which the "right of return is based." But the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) did not do that. On the very day that the "Jewish State" component was implemented, the HoAP, in concert with five "peaceful" Arab States (external influences and primary instigators) openly attacked the new State. As a consequence of initiating the conflict, some territory (originally allocated to be part of the rejected Arab State) was overtaken in hot pursuit of retreating aggressor Arab Forces. It should be noted that Egypt and Jordan took, by armed force, the Gaza Strip and West Bank, respectively.

Crock of crap, Rocco.

Israel's military was already attacking Palestinian civilians and driving them out of their homes outside of the proposed borders before any Arab army entered Palestine. About 300,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes before the foreigners declared Israel inside Palestine.

Are these the neighbors that the Palestinians were supposed to live in peace with?

 

[P F Tinmore]

POINT: They had already violated Jerusalem.

COUNTER-POINT: It was the Arab Legion (mostly Jordanian Forces) that immediately invaded and moved-in to Jerusalem and the Jewish Quarter on the Eastern side of the Old City. The Jewish Quarter was destroyed, and all but one synagogue were destroyed, and all Jewish residents routed from the homes and businesses. Included in the process was the destruction of the main Jewish Cemetery which was ransacked, looted, and graves desecrated by Arab grave robbers.

Irrelevant point. Smokescreen issue.

Israel was driving Palestinians out of Jerusalem in violation of the international city before any Arab army entered Palestine.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, come on now! You mean to say, that the poor, defenseless, Hostile Arab Palestinian where just trounced upon. The two sides had not been in conflict prior to that?

POINT: They had already violated the proposed borders.

COUNTER-POINT: The "proposed borders" were based on the premise that the Arab-Palestinian would live in peace with its neighbors;" the same premise on which the "right of return is based." But the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) did not do that. On the very day that the "Jewish State" component was implemented, the HoAP, in concert with five "peaceful" Arab States (external influences and primary instigators) openly attacked the new State. As a consequence of initiating the conflict, some territory (originally allocated to be part of the rejected Arab State) was overtaken in hot pursuit of retreating aggressor Arab Forces. It should be noted that Egypt and Jordan took, by armed force, the Gaza Strip and West Bank, respectively.

Crock of crap, Rocco.

Israel's military was already attacking Palestinian civilians and driving them out of their homes outside of the proposed borders before any Arab army entered Palestine. About 300,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes before the foreigners declared Israel inside Palestine.

Are these the neighbors that the Palestinians were supposed to live in peace with?

(COMMENT)

You mean that it wasn't the HoAP that was involved in:

• Battle of Tel Hai March 1, 1920
• Nebi Musa Riots April 4–7, 1920
• Jaffa Riots May 1–7, 1921
• Palestine Riots August 23–26, 1929
• Safed Massacre August 29, 1929
• Labor Strike Revolt April 15 – October 12, 1936
• Tiberias Massacre October 2, 1938,
• Destruction Beit Nabala May 1947

OR​

• January 9, 1948 Arab militants 35 Jews killed near Kfar Etzion
• January 10, 1948 Arab militants 11 Jews killed, 1 decapitated near Yavne
• January 14, 1948 Arab militants 7 Jews, 2 Britons killed in Haifa
• January 20, 1948 Arab militants 8 Jews killed in Yehiam
• January 22, 1948 Arab militants 7 Jews killed near Yazur
• January 25, 1948 Arab militants 10 Jews killed
• January 27, 1948 British soldiers 4 Arabs killed in Gaza
• Feb 3, 1948 Arab militants 6 Jews killed while riding buses in Haifa
• Feb 8, 1948 Arabs 6 Jews killed in Jerusalem
• Feb 8, 1948 Arab militants 3 Jews killed in Tel Aviv
• March 14, 1948 Arab militants 7 Jews killed near Faluja
• March 14, 1948 Jews, Arabs 4 Arabs, 1 Jew killed in Tiberius
• March 18, 1948 Arab militants 5 Britons, 4 Jews killed in convoy near Acre
• March 20, 1948 Arabs 7 Jews killed at Ein Harod
• March 21, 1948 Arabs 6 Jews killed on Rosh Pinna-Safed road
• March 22, 1948 Arab militants 4 Jews, 20 Arabs during attack on Jewish settlement Nitzanim
• March 24, 1948 Jewish militants 36 Arabs killed near Tulkarem
• March 26, 1948 Arab militants 6 Arabs, 2 Jews killed in attack on Jewish convoy near Gaza
• March 28, 1948 Arab militants 6 Arabs killed while participating in attack on Jewish convoy near Rehovot
• March 28, 1948 Arab militants 6 Arabs killed while participating in attack on Jewish convoy near Safed

This is what I'm taking about when I say the Palestinians always claim to be the victim, and never, ever, contributed to the conflict. Oh no, they never did anything. That is the national anthem of the HoAP (I did nothing!).

Who is pulling who's leg here.

Both sides were fully engaged. Neither side had clean hands.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, come on now! You mean to say, that the poor, defenseless, Hostile Arab Palestinian where just trounced upon. The two sides had not been in conflict prior to that?

POINT: They had already violated the proposed borders.

COUNTER-POINT: The "proposed borders" were based on the premise that the Arab-Palestinian would live in peace with its neighbors;" the same premise on which the "right of return is based." But the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) did not do that. On the very day that the "Jewish State" component was implemented, the HoAP, in concert with five "peaceful" Arab States (external influences and primary instigators) openly attacked the new State. As a consequence of initiating the conflict, some territory (originally allocated to be part of the rejected Arab State) was overtaken in hot pursuit of retreating aggressor Arab Forces. It should be noted that Egypt and Jordan took, by armed force, the Gaza Strip and West Bank, respectively.

Crock of crap, Rocco.

Israel's military was already attacking Palestinian civilians and driving them out of their homes outside of the proposed borders before any Arab army entered Palestine. About 300,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes before the foreigners declared Israel inside Palestine.

Are these the neighbors that the Palestinians were supposed to live in peace with?

(COMMENT)

You mean that it wasn't the HoAP that was involved in:

• Battle of Tel Hai March 1, 1920
• Nebi Musa Riots April 4–7, 1920
• Jaffa Riots May 1–7, 1921
• Palestine Riots August 23–26, 1929
• Safed Massacre August 29, 1929
• Labor Strike Revolt April 15 – October 12, 1936
• Tiberias Massacre October 2, 1938,
• Destruction Beit Nabala May 1947

OR​

• January 9, 1948 Arab militants 35 Jews killed near Kfar Etzion
• January 10, 1948 Arab militants 11 Jews killed, 1 decapitated near Yavne
• January 14, 1948 Arab militants 7 Jews, 2 Britons killed in Haifa
• January 20, 1948 Arab militants 8 Jews killed in Yehiam
• January 22, 1948 Arab militants 7 Jews killed near Yazur
• January 25, 1948 Arab militants 10 Jews killed
• January 27, 1948 British soldiers 4 Arabs killed in Gaza
• Feb 3, 1948 Arab militants 6 Jews killed while riding buses in Haifa
• Feb 8, 1948 Arabs 6 Jews killed in Jerusalem
• Feb 8, 1948 Arab militants 3 Jews killed in Tel Aviv
• March 14, 1948 Arab militants 7 Jews killed near Faluja
• March 14, 1948 Jews, Arabs 4 Arabs, 1 Jew killed in Tiberius
• March 18, 1948 Arab militants 5 Britons, 4 Jews killed in convoy near Acre
• March 20, 1948 Arabs 7 Jews killed at Ein Harod
• March 21, 1948 Arabs 6 Jews killed on Rosh Pinna-Safed road
• March 22, 1948 Arab militants 4 Jews, 20 Arabs during attack on Jewish settlement Nitzanim
• March 24, 1948 Jewish militants 36 Arabs killed near Tulkarem
• March 26, 1948 Arab militants 6 Arabs, 2 Jews killed in attack on Jewish convoy near Gaza
• March 28, 1948 Arab militants 6 Arabs killed while participating in attack on Jewish convoy near Rehovot
• March 28, 1948 Arab militants 6 Arabs killed while participating in attack on Jewish convoy near Safed

This is what I'm taking about when I say the Palestinians always claim to be the victim, and never, ever, contributed to the conflict. Oh no, they never did anything. That is the national anthem of the HoAP (I did nothing!).

Who is pulling who's leg here.

Both sides were fully engaged. Neither side had clean hands.

Most Respectfully,
R

And none of that would have happened if a bunch of criminals did not go to Palestine to take over their country.

Why are you always doing this blame shifting schtick?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, give me a break. The Arabs had Jerusalem under blockade since the first week of December, 1947; in preparation of the invasion by the Arab Legion. It is a matter of record.

For crying out loud, the Jerusalem Riot, instigated by the Mufti, is famous. In mid-December the Arab cut the water supply to the City.

POINT: They had already violated Jerusalem.

COUNTER-POINT: It was the Arab Legion (mostly Jordanian Forces) that immediately invaded and moved-in to Jerusalem and the Jewish Quarter on the Eastern side of the Old City. The Jewish Quarter was destroyed, and all but one synagogue were destroyed, and all Jewish residents routed from the homes and businesses. Included in the process was the destruction of the main Jewish Cemetery which was ransacked, looted, and graves desecrated by Arab grave robbers.

Irrelevant point. Smokescreen issue.

Israel was driving Palestinians out of Jerusalem in violation of the international city before any Arab army entered Palestine.

(COMMENT)

There were refugee columns going in both directions.

Jerusalem was never truly internationalized.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

And none of that would have happened if a bunch of criminals did not go to Palestine to take over their country.

(COMMENT)

You say this.

Why are you always doing this blame shifting schtick?

(COMMENT)

You ask this? Who is "blame shifting?"

We both know that conflict has been steadily escalating since the 1929 Riots.

Your position has consistently been that, as you state, supra, that the conflict rests with "a bunch of criminals did not go to Palestine to take over their country." That is what we call blame. And it is highly over simplified, since the territory was not Palestinian sovereign to begin with.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

As always Rocco your research and facts are spot-on. Your research can't be faulted and more power to your elbow for doing so.

 

[Stephanie]

So, now we are back to being the Policeman of the world?

I guess that saying while Bush was President flew out the window when the Dear Leader was elected

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

And none of that would have happened if a bunch of criminals did not go to Palestine to take over their country.

(COMMENT)

You say this.

Why are you always doing this blame shifting schtick?

(COMMENT)

You ask this? Who is "blame shifting?"

We both know that conflict has been steadily escalating since the 1929 Riots.

Your position has consistently been that, as you state, supra, that the conflict rests with "a bunch of criminals did not go to Palestine to take over their country." That is what we call blame. And it is highly over simplified, since the territory was not Palestinian sovereign to begin with.

Most Respectfully,
R

We both know that conflict has been steadily escalating since the 1929 Riots.

Against the invading criminals from Europe.

Why do you always portray Palestinian self defense as hostile?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

And none of that would have happened if a bunch of criminals did not go to Palestine to take over their country.

(COMMENT)

You say this.

Why are you always doing this blame shifting schtick?

(COMMENT)

You ask this? Who is "blame shifting?"

We both know that conflict has been steadily escalating since the 1929 Riots.

Your position has consistently been that, as you state, supra, that the conflict rests with "a bunch of criminals did not go to Palestine to take over their country." That is what we call blame. And it is highly over simplified, since the territory was not Palestinian sovereign to begin with.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israeli propaganda load of crap.

 

[Kondor3]

"...And none of that would have happened if a bunch of criminals did not go to Palestine to take over their country..."

Two can play at that old game...

None of this would have happened had Muslim-Arabs refrained from taking 'Palestine' by force of arms centuries before, and profaning Judaism's most sacred ground by building a place of worship on top of that sacred ground.

What goes around comes around.

In our present age, the descendants of those bloodthirsty conquerors find themselves taking a turn at the bottom of the metaphorical food chain.

"...Why are you always doing this blame shifting schtick?"

Ummmm... to counterpoint the continual blame-shifting and evasions of the pro-Palestinian side?

 

[Billo_Really]

There were refugee columns going in both directions.

I don't know where you get your information, but what Tinny said was correct and the UN's account of the events at that time, back him up.

"... New Jerusalem was occupied, and the guerrillas were expelled from Haifa, Jaffa, Tiberias, Safad while still the Mandatory was present. It needed sagacity and self-control not to fall foul of the British army. The Hagana did its job; until a day or two before the Arab invasion not a settlement was lost, no road cut, although movement was seriously dislocated, despite express assurances of the British to keep the roads safe so long as they remained. Arabs started fleeing from the cities almost as soon as disturbances began in the early days of December 1947. As fighting spread, the exodus was joined by bedouin and fellahin, but not the remotest Jewish homestead was abandoned and nothing a tottering Administration (meaning the British Mandatory) could unkindly do stopped us from reaching our goal on May 14, 1948 in a State made larger and Jewish by the Haganah ..."

According to the UN, there was no exodus of Jewish refugees from the area.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"...And none of that would have happened if a bunch of criminals did not go to Palestine to take over their country..."

Two can play at that old game...

None of this would have happened had Muslim-Arabs refrained from taking 'Palestine' by force of arms centuries before, and profaning Judaism's most sacred ground by building a place of worship on top of that sacred ground.

What goes around comes around.

In our present age, the descendants of those bloodthirsty conquerors find themselves taking a turn at the bottom of the metaphorical food chain.

"...Why are you always doing this blame shifting schtick?"

Ummmm... to counterpoint the continual blame-shifting and evasions of the pro-Palestinian side?

How is it the Palestinian's fault that European criminals went to Palestine to take over their country?

 

[Billo_Really]

Your position has consistently been that, as you state, supra, that the conflict rests with "a bunch of criminals did not go to Palestine to take over their country." That is what we call blame. And it is highly over simplified, since the territory was not Palestinian sovereign to begin with.

Well, if you wanna discuss the issue of sovereignty in a more generic perspective, we can do that with the following:

If we were the UN and were going to decide sovereignty over an area between two groups of people, which group has more of a right to that claim:

1. an indigenous majority population that had been living there for centuries, or
2. a minority population of immigrants who recently moved into the area, some of which illegally migrated there

Of those two groups, who has more of a right to claim sovereignty?

 

[Kondor3]

"...And none of that would have happened if a bunch of criminals did not go to Palestine to take over their country..."

Two can play at that old game...

None of this would have happened had Muslim-Arabs refrained from taking 'Palestine' by force of arms centuries before, and profaning Judaism's most sacred ground by building a place of worship on top of that sacred ground.

What goes around comes around.

In our present age, the descendants of those bloodthirsty conquerors find themselves taking a turn at the bottom of the metaphorical food chain.

"...Why are you always doing this blame shifting schtick?"

Ummmm... to counterpoint the continual blame-shifting and evasions of the pro-Palestinian side?

How is it the Palestinian's fault that European criminals went to Palestine to take over their country?

The alternative interpretation being that Europeans went to Palestine to overturn the theft of Palestine by Muslims 300 years earlier.

All of us can go round and round and round about who was there first and who stole what from whom, until the end of the Universe, to no avail.

Palestine is one of the most fought-over slivers of land on the face of the planet.

Mostly because it is part of the narrow gateway patch of land that creates a land-bridge between Asia and Africa.

It really doesn't matter any longer who stole what from whom.

What matters now is who is currently in control, and who is sitting in squatter-towns and refugee camps, and the prospects for each, in the short-, mid- and long-term.

Any useful discussions in the matter of the Israeli-Palestinian Troubles, which are based in Reality, need to proceed from such a point of departure.

Old legal standings and ownership deeds have been swept aside, never to return.

Hashing and rehashing a past that is no longer operative and that can no longer be returned to is absolutely pointless.

Despite all fantasies to the contrary.

Or so it seems to this observer.

 

[Billo_Really]

In the main, the only parts of the world that are 'against' Israel are dominated by Islam.

In the main, the only non-Muslim countries that officially censure Israel are those which are obliged to kiss Arab ass, in order to have access to oil, and many of those do so oh-so-imperfectly and oh-so-insincerely and oh-so-disingenuously, and support Israel and laugh at the Arabs and Muslims behind the scenes.

In the main, the rest of the world isn't really all that vested in this boring, bloody 65-year-old squabble, and just wants it go away, regardless of the outcome.

Wake us up when the 'whole world' actually DOES something about it, eh?

Until then, all you've got is a bunch of blah, blah, blah...

Then it shouldn't be that hard for you to come up with one country that recognizes Israel's right to that land.

Just one!














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....still waiting.....







....get back to me when you find one!