P F Tinmore,
et al,
There are a couple of perspectives you left out.
RoccoR said:
Noura Erekat is implying that in 1948, the establishment of the State of Israel was actually the Jewish Occupation of the land bounded by the Part II - UN General Resolution 181(II), as implemented through the UN Palestine Commission, as outlined in the Part I - Section B - the Steps Preparatory to Independence.
You keep bringing up resolution 181 like it means something.
When the foreigners declared the state of Israel inside Palestine they referenced resolution 181.
However:
They had already violated the proposed borders.
They had already violated Jerusalem.
They had already violated the rights of the non Jewish population.
What part of resolution 181 were they referring to?
(COMMENT)
- POINT: They had already violated the proposed borders.
- COUNTER-POINT: The "proposed borders" were based on the premise that the Arab-Palestinian would live in peace with its neighbors;" the same premise on which the "right of return is based." But the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) did not do that. On the very day that the "Jewish State" component was implemented, the HoAP, in concert with five "peaceful" Arab States (external influences and primary instigators) openly attacked the new State. As a consequence of initiating the conflict, some territory (originally allocated to be part of the rejected Arab State) was overtaken in hot pursuit of retreating aggressor Arab Forces. It should be noted that Egypt and Jordan took, by armed force, the Gaza Strip and West Bank, respectively.
- POINT: They had already violated Jerusalem.
- COUNTER-POINT: It was the Arab Legion (mostly Jordanian Forces) that immediately invaded and moved-in to Jerusalem and the Jewish Quarter on the Eastern side of the Old City. The Jewish Quarter was destroyed, and all but one synagogue were destroyed, and all Jewish residents routed from the homes and businesses. Included in the process was the destruction of the main Jewish Cemetery which was ransacked, looted, and graves desecrated by Arab grave robbers.
- POINT: They had already violated the rights of the non Jewish population.
- COUNTER-POINT: The Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) in concert with five "peaceful" Arab States, were not the least bit concerned about the rights of the Jewish people. Neither side played by the rules. The cry for the recognition of 'rights" by the HoAP is only an issue because the HoAP lost ever attempt to it has made to supplant the intent of the Partition Plan and defy the General Assembly. Prior to the establishment of the Jewish State, the HoAP made threats and boasted with pride and solemn oath to ethnically cleanse the territory of "every man, women and child." The HoAP had no moral concern for the rights due the Jewish People; but were proudly pursuing genocide by intent, deeds, and action.
- POINT: What part of resolution 181 were they referring to?
- Part I - Section B - the Steps Preparatory to Independence.
- COUNTER-POINT: This is a question that is almost too child-like to answer. The HoAP, with 5 Arab Armies, attempt to overturn the implementation, by use of military force, the resolution passed by the General Assembly and implemented by the UN Security Council through the Palestinian Commission. After 5 Arab Armies fail in their attempt to defy the UN decision, --- they THEN try to use as a defense, the fact the process was interrupted because of an invasion they themselves orchestrated.
With the Palestinians, what has happened to them is everybody else's fault, except theirs. They had nothing to do with the failure of peace and claim their is nothing they could have done to avoid the conflict. They didn't participate in any riots, instigate any conflict, take part in any massacre, raise any arms, murder unarmed persons, and were not involved in any hijackings, suicide attempts, or bombings. They certainly didn't attack civilians, or launch indiscriminate rocket and mortar attacks; --- they were the poor and innocent --- just like their venerated martyr Sheik Izz ad-din al-Qassam and the Palestinian Black Hand
(a public service activity and prayer group). And they don't openly support Jihad-ism or armed activity by the Fedayeen.
With the HoAP, there is an ever increasing trend to promote the idea that whatever happened to disrupt regional peace and security it was always someone else's fault; Israel for an invasion, the UN, the Mandatory, and the Allied Powers for supporting Israel. An increasingly large section of Arab society seems to think that a perfect life for the Palestinians should be handed to them on a plate, and when political outcomes don't work out to their expectations, there is always that elusive “someone”
(other then themselves) to blame.
Most Respectfully,
R
