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[Quantrill]

No, I do not support slavery at all, most people don't support slavery and find it appalling. But you being a white supremist think blacks are subhuman and should be held in slavery, right?

Which means you would follow your traitorous ilk against the Constitution in 1861. Making you the traitor. Not the Southernor.

I said I supported the United States creation of slavery. Why shouldn't I?

Quantrill

 

[Mr Natural]

Which means you would follow your traitorous ilk against the Constitution in 1861. Making you the traitor. Not the Southernor.

I said I supported the United States creation of slavery. Why shouldn't I?

Quantrill

You support slavery?

What kind of sick **** are you?

 

[Quantrill]

You support slavery?

What kind of sick **** are you?

Look, dumbass, how many times do I have to say it? Do you have comprehension issues? Or are you just that stupid?

The kind that is not traitor to the Constitution, like you and other dumb shits are.

See, Mr. Natural, you're only natural in the make believe world of lies. In the world of reality, you are full of shit.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

In post #(379) Lincoln's deceit was shown to extend not just to the Southern Commissioners, and Governor of South Carolina, but to Major Anderson himself. Anderson was the Union Commander now at Sumter. He had been informed by an emissary of Lincoln that Sumter would be evacuated. And he fully expected it to be so. But then Lincoln sends him a note informing him that a Naval fleet to supply and reinforce Sumter is coming and for him to hold out as long as he could.

In response to this Anderson wrote a letter to a Col. L. Thomas, Adjutant -General United States Army and mailed it. But the mail was stopped in Charleston. The South, due to the subterfuge of the Lincoln administration, now considered themselves in a state of War with the United States. And thus opened the latest bag of mail from Sumter looking for correspondence between Washington and Anderson. And they found and opened Anderson's letter to Col. Thomas.

"In ordinary times, no honorable man would open another man's mail, but these times were decidedly not ordinary. As Pickens would explain it shortly afterward in a letter to Montgomery. 'I did this because I consider a state of war is now inaugurated by the authorities at Washington, and all information of a public nature was necessary to us'." (The Demon Of Unrest, Erik Larson, Crown Publishing Group, 2024, p. 408)

Of the contents of this letter, Jeff Davis says: "But the most striking protest against the coercive measures finally adopted was that of Major Anderson himself. The letter in which his views were expressed has been carefully suppressed in the partisan narratives of that period and well-nigh lost sight of, although it does the highest honor to his patriotism and integrity. It was written on the same day on which the announcement was made to Governor Pickens of the purpose of the United States government to send supplies to the fort, and is worthy of reproduction here. " (Rise And Fall Of The Confederate Government, Vol. 1, Jefferson Davis, Da Capo Press, 1990, p. 243)

I will give some important excerpts of that letter in another post. The full letter can be found in Jeff Davis book just quoted from, on p.(243-244).

Quantrill

 

[mikegriffith1]

ya I mean a little slavery is better than none right? You apologists for the south openly support slavery.

Oh my goodness. Playing the rank demagoguery card, I see. Do you apply the same disingenuous logic to the American colonists in the War for Independence? Do you wish that the British had won, since England abolished slavery in 1833?

Why don't you excoriate all the nations that abolished slavery 10-20 years after the U.S. did and that abolished it without fighting a war that killed 2% of their entire populations?

Where is your venom toward the Northern states for abolishing slavery gradually, giving Northern slaveholders 20 years to recoup the cost of their slaves?

I bet you didn't even bother to read the article.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Oh my goodness. Playing the rank demagoguery card, I see. Do you apply the same disingenuous logic to the American colonists in the War for Independence? Do you wish that the British had won, since England abolished slavery in 1833?

Why don't you excoriate all the nations that abolished slavery 10-20 years after the U.S. did and that abolished it without fighting a war that killed 2% of their entire populations?

Where is your venom toward the Northern states for abolishing slavery gradually, giving Northern slaveholders 20 years to recoup the cost of their slaves?

I bet you didn't even bother to read the article.

the south had no cause to start the war their slavery was not in danger of being removed by Lincoln dumb ass, they left and they STARTED the war for no reason. Get that through your thick head.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Oh my goodness. Playing the rank demagoguery card, I see. Do you apply the same disingenuous logic to the American colonists in the War for Independence? Do you wish that the British had won, since England abolished slavery in 1833?

Why don't you excoriate all the nations that abolished slavery 10-20 years after the U.S. did and that abolished it without fighting a war that killed 2% of their entire populations?

Where is your venom toward the Northern states for abolishing slavery gradually, giving Northern slaveholders 20 years to recoup the cost of their slaves?

I bet you didn't even bother to read the article.

check out your buddy Quantrill's defense of slavery and his insistence that he supports it and wishes it never ended. That is at least honest, your defense of the south is the same, they wanted slavery to last forever as evidenced by their Constitution. And you defend them.

 

[gipper]

Oh my goodness. Playing the rank demagoguery card, I see. Do you apply the same disingenuous logic to the American colonists in the War for Independence? Do you wish that the British had won, since England abolished slavery in 1833?

Why don't you excoriate all the nations that abolished slavery 10-20 years after the U.S. did and that abolished it without fighting a war that killed 2% of their entire populations?

Where is your venom toward the Northern states for abolishing slavery gradually, giving Northern slaveholders 20 years to recoup the cost of their slaves?

I bet you didn't even bother to read the article.

He doesn’t know those facts. He only knows what he was taught in 5th grade.

 

[gipper]

the south had no cause to start the war their slavery was not in danger of being removed by Lincoln dumb ass, they left and they STARTED the war for no reason. Get that through your thick head.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!

 

[Quantrill]

Here are some excerpts of Major Andersons letter to Col. Thomas, Adjutant-General United States Army. Remember these are his own words. Remember he is the Yankee commander at Fort Sumter who has just learned from Lincoln that he is sending a Naval fleet to reinforce Sumter. All the while Anderson had been told, as the South was told, he and his men were to be evacuated.

"LETTER OF mAJOR ANDERSON, UNITED STATES ARMY, PROTESTING AGAINST FOX'S PLAN FOR RELIEVING FORT SUMTER. FORT SUMTER, S.C., April 8, 1861.

"Colonel: I have the honor to report that the resumption of work yesterday (Sunday) at various points on Morris Island, and the vigorous prosecution of it this morning...shows that they either have just received some news from Washington which has put them on the qui vive, or that they have received orders from Montgomery to commence Operations here."

"I had the honor to receive, by yesterdays mail, the letter of the Honorable Secretary of War, dated April 4th, and confess that what he there states surprises me very greatly--following, as it does, and contradicting so positively, the assurance Mr. Crawford telegraphed he was 'authorized' to make.

"I trust that this matter will be at once put in a correct light, as a movement made now, when the South has been erroneously informed that none such would be attempted, would produce most disastrous results throughout our country.

"It is, of course, now too late for me to give any advice in reference to the proposed scheme of Captain Fox. I fear that its results can not fail to be disastrous to all concerned."

"I ought to have been informed that this expedition was to come. Colonel Lamon's remark convinced me that the idea merely hinted at to me by Captain Fox, would not be carried out."

"...I frankly say that my heart is not in this war, which I see is to be thus commenced. That God will still avert it, and cause us to resort to pacific means to maintain our rights, is my ardent prayer!"

Quotes taken from: (Rise And Fall Of The Confederate Government, Vol. 1, Da Capo Press, Inc., 1990, p. 243-244)

This is the letter that Anderson now knows is in Confederate hands. A blatant confession of the deceit and lies of his government to the South and to him. A blatant confession that the Lincoln government is starting this war.

Quantrill

 

[August West]

Buddy, Israel is about as popular as jock itch right now.

We should have cut them loose several decdes ago. The WTC towers would still be standing.

 

[Quantrill]

Now, this letter of Anderson lay before Gov. Pickens of South Carolina, General Beauregard, and former federal judge Andrew G. Magrath.

"Here was proof. The letter, moreover identified Captain Fox as the architect of the expedition. Fox's perfidy was revealed, and by inference, the fundamental untrustworthiness of the Lincoln administration." (The Demon Of Unrest, Erik Larson, Crown Publishing Group, 2024, p.409)

"The letter made its way to the press." (Larson, p. 409)

"Governor Pickens promptly forwarded the pilfered mail to Montgomery, along with a note to Confederate President Jefferson Davis warning that he believed the arrival of the Northern expedition was imminent. 'You see the that present scheme for supplying the for is Mr. Fox's,' Pickens wrote. 'It is thought that the attempt will be made tonight, and we have doubled our steamboats on the harbor and bar.'" (Larson, p. 410)

"The 'relief squadron,' as with unconscious irony it was termed, was already underway for Charleston, consisting, according to their own statement, of eight vessels, carrying twenty-six guns and about fourteen hundred men, including the troops sent for reenforcement of the garrison." (Rise And Fall Of The Confederate Government, Vol. 1, Jefferson Davis, Da Capo Press Inc. p. 244)

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Jefferson Davis continues concerning the acts of war performed by the North against the South surrounding Fort Sumter.

"Remonstrances and patient, persistent, and reiterated attempts at negotiation for its removal had been made with two successive administrations of the government of the United States--at first by the state of South Carolina, and by the government of the Confederate States after its formation.

"These efforts had been met, not by an open avowal of coercive purposes, but by evasion, prevarication, and perfidy. The agreement of one administration to maintain the status quo at the time when the question arose, was violated in December by the removal of the garrison from its original position to the occupancy of a stronger. Another attempt was made to violate it in January, by the introduction of troops concealed below the deck of the steamer Star of the West, but this was thwarted by the vigilance of the state service.

"The protracted course of fraud and prevarication practiced by Lincoln's administration in the months of March and April has been fully exhibited. It was evident that no confidence whatever could be reposed in any pledge or promise of the federal government as then administered. " (Rise And Fall Of The Confederate Government, Vol. 1, Jefferson Davis, Da Capo Press Inc., p.251-252)

In other words, you can't take the Lincoln government at its word. Its word is shit. They are liars. And any who believe any promise made to the South from Lincoln is to be believed, is equally full of shit. The only promise made by Lincoln to the South that he kept was making war against us. He may be a liar, but he had the power to make war, and he made it.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

check out your buddy Quantrill's defense of slavery and his insistence that he supports it and wishes it never ended. That is at least honest, your defense of the south is the same, they wanted slavery to last forever as evidenced by their Constitution. And you defend them.

Half truths and lies. You are the son of your fathers who are equally liars. I asked you why shouldn't I support the creation of slavery by the United States of America through the Constitution? Why don't you support this American institution of that time...traitor?

I never said I wished slavery never ended. I wish slavery was never brought here. But good ole America brought it. And it was Constitutionally protected...till the North decided against it.

How does it feel to be a traitor...gunny. Traitor to the Constitution and traitor to America.

Quantrill

 

[mikegriffith1]

ya I mean a little slavery is better than none right?

You keep conveniently forgetting that Lincoln pushed for the Corwin Amendment, which would have made it impossible for the federal government to abolish slavery. In fact, the Corwin Amendment would have prevented any further constitutional amendments regarding slavery. It would have done the exact same thing that the Crittenden Compromise would have done in terms of federal action on slavery.

I think it is worth recalling that until the last few weeks you were unaware that slavery was protected by and enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. Incredibly, you kept asking for "quotes" on this point, apparently because you hadn't bothered to read the Constitution itself.

A gradual, peaceful end to slavery would have been much better than fighting the bloodiest war in our history. Slavery was abolished gradually in the Northern states, with slaveholders being given 20 years to recover the cost of their slaves.

BTW, you also keep ignoring the fact that the Confederacy began a program of gradual emancipation in early 1865, and that none other than Jefferson Davis spearheaded the drive toward emancipation.

You apologists for the south openly support slavery.

This is another downright silly comment. It is comical that would you accuse me of being an apologist for the South. How many Southern apologists do you know who defend Abraham Lincoln, who say the Deep South states had no valid reason to secede, who say the Deep South states unjustifiably refused to do their constitutional duty to accept the 1860 election results, who say Jefferson Davis blundered when he cut off the food supply to the Sumter garrison, who say Davis blundered even more severely when he decided to attack Sumter, who say Lincoln's Reconstruction terms were merciful and lenient, who say Lincoln had no intention of harming the South and did not want war with the South, etc.?

I guess in your mind anyone who does not agree with every single detail of the traditional version of the Civil War is an "apologist for the south." Just because I don't parrot all the falsehoods and distortions about the Confederacy found in most history books does not make me a Southern apologist. It makes me an objective researcher who goes where the facts lead, even when they contradict the orthodox version of the war.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You keep conveniently forgetting that Lincoln pushed for the Corwin Amendment, which would have made it impossible for the federal government to abolish slavery. In fact, the Corwin Amendment would have prevented any further constitutional amendments regarding slavery. It would have done the exact same thing that the Crittenden Compromise would have done in terms of federal action on slavery.

I think it is worth recalling that until the last few weeks you were unaware that slavery was protected by and enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. Incredibly, you kept asking for "quotes" on this point, apparently because you hadn't bothered to read the Constitution itself.

A gradual, peaceful end to slavery would have been much better than fighting the bloodiest war in our history. Slavery was abolished gradually in the Northern states, with slaveholders being given 20 years to recover the cost of their slaves.

BTW, you also keep ignoring the fact that the Confederacy began a program of gradual emancipation in early 1865, and that none other than Jefferson Davis spearheaded the drive toward emancipation.



This is another downright silly comment. It is comical that would you accuse me of being an apologist for the South. How many Southern apologists do you know who defend Abraham Lincoln, who say the Deep South states had no valid reason to secede, who say the Deep South states unjustifiably refused to do their constitutional duty to accept the 1860 election results, who say Jefferson Davis blundered when he cut off the food supply to the Sumter garrison, who say Davis blundered even more severely when he decided to attack Sumter, who say Lincoln's Reconstruction terms were merciful and lenient, who say Lincoln had no intention of harming the South and did not want war with the South, etc.?

I guess in your mind anyone who does not agree with every single detail of the traditional version of the Civil War is an "apologist for the south." Just because I don't parrot all the falsehoods and distortions about the Confederacy found in most history books does not make me a Southern apologist. It makes me an objective researcher who goes where the facts lead, even when they contradict the orthodox version of the war.

you are a fool that parrot's delusional theories about the lots of stuff, including the Civil war. You openly side with a person that openly admits he supports the delusions you spout because he supports slavery and thinks it shouldnt have been abolished.

 

[mikegriffith1]

you are a fool that parrot's delusional theories about the lots of stuff, including the Civil war. You openly side with a person that openly admits he supports the delusions you spout because he supports slavery and thinks it shouldnt have been abolished.

Uh-huh. Nearly all the "delusions" that I "spout" were considered entirely mainstream and credible for decades. My "delusional theory" on Reconstruction was actually the dominant, orthodox view among historians for at least two decades. My "delusions" about the Radical Republicans were voiced by many leading Lincoln supporters during and after the war, including Gideon Welles.

Even today there are bonafide historians/Civil War scholars who support most of my views on the war, including Dr. Thomas Fleming and Dr. William Cooper.

It is juvenile to suggest that I support slavery or think it shouldn't have been abolished. You clearly have not bothered to read any of my Civil War articles. Just because I agree with someone on a few specific issues does not mean I endorse everything they believe.

You side with JoeB131 on many issues, even though he is a wingnut anti-Semite, a whitewasher of Hitler (he once said, "Hitler wasn't the problem" and that the Nazis had valid reasons for hating the Jews), a Mao and Stalin apologist, a believer in the Jihadist fantasy of a global Zionist conspiracy, and a Hamas/Hezbollah defender, and a peddler of the claim that the Israelis purposely attacked the USS Liberty in 1967.

 

[Quantrill]

you are a fool that parrot's delusional theories about the lots of stuff, including the Civil war. You openly side with a person that openly admits he supports the delusions you spout because he supports slavery and thinks it shouldnt have been abolished.

What a dumbass reply from the dummygunny.

You say,, 'delusional theories about the lots of stuff , including the Civil war'. You haven't showed shit that you know anything about the War Between The States. Much less 'lots of stuff'. You posture yourself as a critic of that war, yet you have shown you don't know shit.

All you can do is spit out the one liners that are the popular 'history' of the day, which is 'no history'. All you have said is: 'the South had slavery'. 'the South fired the first shot'. And when given the true history, you don't know how to respond because you don't know anything.

And you now don't respond to my posts because you're scared. You know your ignorance has been revealed. Your bullshit has been noted.

I see you're retired. That is a relief. Such a coward in our military doesn't lend itself to any confidence for our security. You are the 'parrot'. You have to parrot because you don't know anything...traitor.

Quantrill

 

[rightwinger]

South Carolina told the Troops of the North to leave. Ft. Sumter was so go protected, not a troop of the North was harmed. The Cannons of the state might as well have shot spit balls at Ft. Sumter. Mind you, Joe was once a Republican who took the word of criminals as I see them, and he took the same side. When he did change as the Confederacy. He flips like a fish just caught.

Federal property

 

[rightwinger]

Firing at a very stable building is not war. When Abe invaded VA at Manassas area, that was genuine war. And he never got permission to start his war