He was on Joe Rogan awhile back.
Anyone who watches his podcast knows that Rogan is no genius. Not dumb by any means, but probably only a little above average.
Several times in that podcast... he out debated DeGrasse. That is saying a LOT. DeGrasse was visibly upset several times because of it. He isn't use to an interviewer not just going along.
You guys may have seen the other day where Bill Maher really got the best of him.
It shows you how low he has gotten to that he can be outdebated by average intelligent people.
He has gotten intellectually lazy.