My wife was in Walmart today during a shootout

[LibertyKid]

I am not much for the gun crowd’s obsession with the second amendment, nor am I a concealed carry supporter.

The second amendments true and first purpose is to protect the people from Tyranny, domestic and foreign. Personal security is a secondary right that comes from the right to bear arms. Not only is the right to bear arms a constitutional amendment, but is also spelled out specifically in State Constitutions as well.

Being a US citizen, you have the right to NOT carry, and you have the right to not like guns, for whatever reason. However, when or if the time comes for the citizens to defend against tyranny, there are citizens who will defend YOU and your liberties. We have to ask ourselves, are we guaranteed that our gov't will NEVER become tyrannical? I believe the answer is there is no guarantee. Therefore, if there is no guarantee, how do we then fight that tyranny?

However, I do appreciate your apparant respect and understanding that owning and carrying a weapon in public is a great responsibility.

I would say that this is probably the majority. In fact, you probably have friends and acquaintances that are own and support the 2A, but they don't speak of it out of responsibility, or because of the vitriol that the 2A sparks today. Also, don't confuse one's ambition and fervor to defend the 2A that their use of guns or responsibility carries the same tone.

I would be far more comfortable around you than I would among the noisy gun nuts elsewhere on this thread.

I am not aware that any state requires the purchaser of a gun to have much of any training (aof any at all) in its safe storage or use.

States that are not constitutional carry, do require some type of classroom and basic shooting training.
Some supporters of the 2A would say that is even 'infringement'. I will say that I agree and disagree, and that the issue is more complex than black and white.

Where we have failed as a country IMO, is education around the 2A and the entire constitution and the framing of our country. We the people should not serve the gov't, it the opposite. The gov't should always serve the people, and be subjected to the people and the will of the people. Yes, gov't, from local to the federal gov't should fear the people, not in a way that they fear their lives, but fear that they are not serving the people, and if gov't ever stop serving the people, then the people have the RIGHT to oust that gov't and start new. That's in the constitution. Our right to bear arms, is the where power is given to the people. As soon as you remove that power, we the people are asking to become subservient to the gov't.

However, most people today are constitutionally ignorant worship their political idols and gods and this forum is the perfect example. Both right and left.

“When I do carry, I am much more conscious of my own space, and the firearm is a continual check on my own actions. Carrying shouldn't make one cavalier in their actions, rather more conscience of the responsibility of carrying and their actions.”

I agree with you entirely. indeed, I would have no trouble with 2a advocates if they showed any evidence of such a sense of obligation.

Again, I think the majority of gun owners are responsible. Unfortunately, we have a very polarizing narrative today that is being espoused by the MSM and the left that paints a completely different picture. As I stated, you probably have friends, family, that own firearms. Are very responsible with that ownership. You don't know they own because they are being responsible. I only talk of ownership around those that I can absolutely trust. I don't drive around with stickers on my cars that says I own guns. I don't have signs on my house warning intruders. All that does is invite violence. Those that proudly wear their gun ownership on their sleeves as some sort of ego validation, are NOT the majority. Do not let the MSM and politicians paint the wrong narrative.

 

[JohnDB]

Not true

Rifle bullets.
Most car doors will usually stop 9mm/40/45.
Less reliably, 10mm and 44.

with most new vehicles it is not true anymore. Old vehicles maybe.

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You would need to install some Kevlar panels in the door. These panels are a PITA to drill, cut, or shape. (Personal experience speaking) you go through a bunch of saw blades, drill bits, and hole saws working with them.

 

[Dante]

As a 2A proponent, and understanding the necessity, and the historical background for the 2A, and even understanding that bearing arms is a 'Right', that right comes with great responsibility. As much as I will defend constitutional carry, there is the side of me that feels there needs to be some amount of education around the actual use of a firearm in a situation. Every state varies, and it is absolutely important to understand the legal ramifications around the use of a firearm, justified or not.

That is the aspect of my CCW training that I appreciated the most. When I do carry, I am much more conscious of my own space, and the firearm is a continual check on my own actions. Carrying shouldn't make one cavalier in their actions, rather more conscience of the responsibility of carrying and their actions.

well said

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[Failzero]

As a 2A proponent, and understanding the necessity, and the historical background for the 2A, and even understanding that bearing arms is a 'Right', that right comes with great responsibility. As much as I will defend constitutional carry, there is the side of me that feels there needs to be some amount of education around the actual use of a firearm in a situation. Every state varies, and it is absolutely important to understand the legal ramifications around the use of a firearm, justified or not.

That is the aspect of my CCW training that I appreciated the most. When I do carry, I am much more conscious of my own space, and the firearm is a continual check on my own actions. Carrying shouldn't make one cavalier in their actions, rather more conscience of the responsibility of carrying and their actions.

Carrying also has theft issues if you leave your EDC or backup piece in your Rig ( thieves are able to get into lockup devices in your vehicle )!

 

[Tommy Tainant]

This was a developing local story so I do not have a link to a major news source yet, but I believe Nashville picked up on it, so a link will follow. You'll probably not hear much on this in any national media because it doesn't fit the lib agenda.

My wife was shopping alone at our local Walmart here in Clarksville, TN this morning, on Christmas Eve. I was delivering Christmas gifts to my daughter up in Kentucky when we received a call from her on my daughter's phone. She was in a total panic running from the store after hearing numerous gunshots coming from the rear of the store. She told us she was in an aisle toward the front of the grocery section when she heard three loud bangs come from the rear of the store. She and another man who was in the same aisle looked at each other, and he said, "Those are gunshots! Run!". She was already on her way. My wife has had both hips replaced, so she does not run! As she headed for the exit, she two additional shots, a pause, and then 5 more for a total of 10 shots fired. As she neared the front of the store, employees were screaming for everyone to leave quickly. My wife's car was in a handicapped spot, right outside the door, so she jumped in, but could not move because of the people streaming out and the cops arriving near the entrance.

It took a long time before she was able to move her car out of the parking lot and head home. About an hour later we started getting local news reports about the event, and they have been updated throughout the evening.

Apparently a 19-year-old man was causing trouble in the back area of the store with another man (age unknown) which led to a verbal altercation. according to reports, the young man pulled a gun threatening the man and his family with him. At some point, the family man pulled out his own weapon and proceeded to shoot the assailant multiple times. The assailant apparently got off one or two shots and hit the family man whose wound was superficial. Police reports or the media did not specify how many rounds were fired, so I am assuming the family man may have returned fire again after being hit.

The end result was two men shot, nobody dead, with no other injuries reported. The 19-year-old was transported by ambulance to the local hospital with multiple non-life-threatening gunshot wounds. He was later transferred to a hospital in Nashville which is about 45 minutes away. The other man actually drove himself to the local hospital for treatment as it was determined that he was not at fault by numerous witnesses.

Moral of the story: Concealed carry works! That assailant could have conceivably killed dozens depending on how much ammo he had. Apparently, our local police responded in seconds, not minutes. Our family man is a hero, although maybe not the best shot in the world! The fact that he was willing to defend others makes him a hero.

You voted for actual criminals so why are you whining ?

 

[Mack The Finger]

This was a developing local story so I do not have a link to a major news source yet, but I believe Nashville picked up on it, so a link will follow.

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Glad she made it.