My wife was in Walmart today during a shootout

[Ghost of a Rider]

The real fact is that some here belive, this shootout would have happened even if they were unarmed.

I don’t see how that could happen. But we can’t rule out the possibility that the punk might have become violent anyway.

 

[Failzero]

Armed Punks ( Gang Bangers ) & Anger are the catalyst of 75 % of the Criminal related Shootings in America

 

[GLASNOST]

The fact is, this shootout did not happen because they were armed as some here believe.

The real fact is that some here belive, this shootout would have happened even if they were unarmed.

I don’t see how that could happen. But we can’t rule out the possibility that the punk might have become violent anyway.

We can't rule out the possibility that the trigger-happy family man with an inferiority complex and a weak ego who shot first might have shot that boy anyway.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

We can't rule out the possibility that the trigger-happy family man with an inferiority complex and a weak ego who shot first might have shot that boy anyway.

How do you know he was trigger-happy, had an inferiority complex and a weak ego?

 

[Dante]

When I carried concealed I avoided confrontations at all costs.

I met far too many people who said they would not back down from things because they were carrying.

I believe carrying requires responsibilities.\

Glad the OP's family is safe.

 

[Failzero]

When I carried concealed I avoided confrontations at all costs.

I met far too many people who said they would not back down from things because they were carrying.

I believe carrying requires responsibilities.\

Glad the OP's family is safe.

I operate the same way I would if I were unarmed while Carrying .

 

[GLASNOST]

..... we can’t rule out the possibility that the punk might have become violent anyway.

We can't rule out the possibility that the trigger-happy family man with an inferiority complex and a weak ego who shot first might have shot that boy anyway.

How do you know he was trigger-happy, had an inferiority complex and a weak ego?

1). He (as an adult with a wife and children) eagerly got into an argument with a boy.

2). He shot the boy first, drawing "first blood".

3). He did all of that in the presence of his family thus, not only displaying his inferiority complex and his weak ego in front of them (or for the sake of them) but also risked the lives of his wife and children just because he is trigger-happy with an inferiority complex and has a weak ego.

* Next question *

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

1). He (as an adult with a wife and children) eagerly got into an argument with a boy.

How do you know he did so “eagerly”? And the “boy” is nineteen, making him an adult.

2). He shot the boy first, drawing "first blood".

The “boy” drew first and in any case, his being shot first does not mean he didn’t shoot first.

Do you know who shot first?

3). He did all of that in the presence of his family thus,

Did all of what, defended himself and his family when some punk drew on him?

not only displaying his inferiority complex and his weak ego in front of them (or for the sake of them) but also risked the lives of his wife and children just because he is trigger-happy with an inferiority complex and has a weak ego.

This is all speculatiion based on your assumptions. None of this explains how you know he’s trigger-happy with an inferiority complex and a weak ego.

* Next question *

My next question is: Do you have an answer to my question that is not based on assumptions?

 

[GLASNOST]

How do you know he was trigger-happy, had an inferiority complex and a weak ego?

I've already answered your questions.

How do you know he did so “eagerly”?

I told you already.

The “boy” drew first and in any case, his being shot first does not mean he didn’t shoot first. Do you know who shot first?

It's in the fucking article and OP.

Did all of what, defended himself and his family when some punk drew on him?

I've already supplied you with detailed answers to your questions. Open your eyes and shut your mouth.

Do you have an answer to my question that is not based on assumptions?

I have provided plenty of motivated response. You have nothing but assumptions. Go back and read the OP, read my replies, or have some literate person read it for you. Your next reply may very likely award you a place on my ignore list.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

I've already answered your questions.

No you didn’t. I asked how you KNOW he’s trigger-happy with an inferiority complex and a weak ego and you gave me assumptions.

I told you already.

This is the first time I asked this question so no, you didn’t.

How do you know he “eagerly” got into an argument with the punk?

It's in the fucking article and OP.

You know what’s not in the article and OP? That he’s trigger-happy with an inferiority complex and a weak ego and “eagerly” got into an argument with someone. You had no problem giving that BS answer, did you?

I've already supplied you with detailed answers to your questions. Open your eyes and shut your mouth.

You make character assessments about someone you don’t know and made guesses about this person’s motives in an incident in which you were not present.

You gave me detailed assumptions and conjecture, not answers.

I have provided plenty of motivated response. You have nothing but assumptions.

What, precisely, did I assume?

Go back and read the OP, read my replies, or have some literate person read it for you.

I’ve read the OP, the article and your replies and is exactly why I’m asking you how you know these things about this man you never met.

Your next reply may very likely award you a place on my ignore list.

Whatever helps you avoid having to justify your assumptions and speculations.

 

[GLASNOST]

Whatever helps you .

I'm so happy for you bye.

 

[j-mac]

1). He (as an adult with a wife and children) eagerly got into an argument with a boy.

2). He shot the boy first, drawing "first blood".

3). He did all of that in the presence of his family thus, not only displaying his inferiority complex and his weak ego in front of them (or for the sake of them) but also risked the lives of his wife and children just because he is trigger-happy with an inferiority complex and has a weak ego.

* Next question *

You are making way too many assumptions here....

 

[Failzero]

With all the upcomin Islam/ Marxist inspired Terrorist Attacks carry permits & Constitutional carry will be even more en Vogue

 

[JohnDB]

You are making way too many assumptions here....

Agreed,
Someone angry and brandishing a weapon needs to be shot before they hurt anyone.

And as an FYI.
Car doors do not provide sufficient protection against bullets. (Contrary to every movie or television show made)

Bullets go right through car doors like a hot knife through warm butter.

The story is troubling on many accounts. Being mobility impaired in a situation like this is horrifying. Being trapped by fleeing people is even more so. Especially in a vehicle that essentially can't move and won't provide protection against firearms.

 

[LibertyKid]

When I carried concealed I avoided confrontations at all costs.

I met far too many people who said they would not back down from things because they were carrying.

I believe carrying requires responsibilities.\

Glad the OP's family is safe.

As a 2A proponent, and understanding the necessity, and the historical background for the 2A, and even understanding that bearing arms is a 'Right', that right comes with great responsibility. As much as I will defend constitutional carry, there is the side of me that feels there needs to be some amount of education around the actual use of a firearm in a situation. Every state varies, and it is absolutely important to understand the legal ramifications around the use of a firearm, justified or not.

That is the aspect of my CCW training that I appreciated the most. When I do carry, I am much more conscious of my own space, and the firearm is a continual check on my own actions. Carrying shouldn't make one cavalier in their actions, rather more conscience of the responsibility of carrying and their actions.

 

[GLASNOST]

Someone angry and brandishing a weapon needs to be shot before they hurt anyone.

You are a weak man for provoking another human being to be angry.

 

[JohnDB]

You are a weak man for provoking another human being to be angry.

Thats very insane.
I am not responsible for any ones emotions except my own.

But if someone who is obviously angry and brandishing a weapon comes towards me? I will shoot first and figure it out later. Especially with my wife and kids around.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And as an FYI.
Car doors do not provide sufficient protection against bullets. (Contrary to every movie or television show made)
Bullets go right through car doors like a hot knife through warm butter.

Rifle bullets.
Most car doors will usually stop 9mm/40/45.
Less reliably, 10mm and 44.

 

[TimFitz]

As a 2A proponent, and understanding the necessity, and the historical background for the 2A, and even understanding that bearing arms is a 'Right', that right comes with great responsibility. As much as I will defend constitutional carry, there is the side of me that feels there needs to be some amount of education around the actual use of a firearm in a situation. Every state varies, and it is absolutely important to understand the legal ramifications around the use of a firearm, justified or not.

That is the aspect of my CCW training that I appreciated the most. When I do carry, I am much more conscious of my own space, and the firearm is a continual check on my own actions. Carrying shouldn't make one cavalier in their actions, rather more conscience of the responsibility of carrying and their actions.

I am not much for the gun crowd’s obsession with the second amendment, nor am I a concealed carry supporter.

However, I do appreciate your apparant respect and understanding that owning and carrying a weapon in public is a great responsibility.

I would be far more comfortable around you than I would among the noisy gun nuts elsewhere on this thread.

I am not aware that any state requires the purchaser of a gun to have much of any training (aof any at all) in its safe storage or use.

“When I do carry, I am much more conscious of my own space, and the firearm is a continual check on my own actions. Carrying shouldn't make one cavalier in their actions, rather more conscience of the responsibility of carrying and their actions.”

I agree with you entirely. indeed, I would have no trouble with 2a advocates if they showed any evidence of such a sense of obligation.

Alas, this is not reflective of the belligerent rhetoric coming from other 2a types on this thread. indeed, it is the exception to the dismal rule.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I am not much for the gun crowd’s obsession with the second amendment, nor am I a concealed carry supporter.

Tell us why you would choose to allow yourself, your wife, and/or your kids to be shot, rather than you run the risk of shooting a bystander while protecting them.