Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

, it was determined that the papal authority was behind the murder of Lincoln and one of the conspirators was found working as a bodyguard for the pope.l.

Got to say Dale is consistant- he can always find that conspiracy- no matter what.

"Consistent"........and I know more than you......infinitely more. That is why kicking your ass comes so easily to me.

Yep, Like always you do know lots more than most people. Your problem is that all that stuff you know is just crazy bullshit.

Nope, I base it on fact and the quotes that I produced here on this particular topic are historically based.


Got it. Somebody said something goofy a long time ago, and you call it historically based. It's still goofy.

So, Lincoln was being "goofy" when he wrote this to former catholic priest Charles Chiniquy , someone that Lincoln had defended in a trial back in the 1850's when the jesuits tried to frame him for a crime he did not commit???

"I am so glad to meet you again," he said: "you see that your friends, the Jesuits, have not yet killed me. But they would have surely done it when I passed through their most devoted city, Baltimore, had I not defeated their plans, by passing incognito a few hours before they expected me. We have the proof that the company which has been selected and organized to murder me was led by a rabid Roman Catholic, called Byrne; it was almost entirely composed of Roman Catholics; more than that, there were two disguised priests among them, to lead and encourage them. I am sorry to have so little time to see you: but I will not let you go before telling you that, a few days ago, I saw Mr. Morse, the learned inventor of electric telegraphy: he told me that when he was in Rome, not long ago, he found out the proofs of a most formidable conspiracy against this country and all its institutions. It is evident that it is to the intrigues and emissaries of the Pope that we owe, in great part, the horrible evil war which is threatening to cover the country with blood and ruins.

"I am sorry that Professor Morse had to leave Rome before he could know more about the secret plans of the Jesuits against the liberties and the very existence of this country. But do you know that I want you to take his place and continue that investigation? My plan is to attach you to my ambassador of France, as one of the secretaries. In that honourable position you would go from Paris to Rome, where you might find, through the directions of Mr. Morse, an opportunity of re-uniting the broken threads of his researches. 'It takes a Greek to fight a Greek.' As you have been twenty-five years a priest of Rome, I do not know any man in the United States so well acquainted as you are with the tricks of the Jesuits, and on the devotedness of whom I could better rely. And when, once on the staff of my ambassador, even as one of the secretaries, might you not soon yourself become the ambassador? I am in need of Christian men in every department of the public service, but more in those high positions. What do you think of that?"
 
Where in the article does it verify your assertion.
You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Unless you understand the Reformation started by Martin Luther, the Council of Trent and the use of the Jesuit order to counter what Martin Luther started? I am simply wasting my time and I haven't the time nor the inclination to take you by your little hand and guide you through it. In 1867, it was determined that the papal authority was behind the murder of Lincoln and one of the conspirators was found working as a bodyguard for the pope. Google some quotes by some of our founding fathers about their thoughts on the Jesuits that were reinstated in 1814 after being repudiated by Pope Clementine in 1773 by a papal bull.
So no source besides your ass? Figured so.

1867 plus 117 years equals 1984, dumb ass.........
Stop with your bullshit about dates and show me proof the Jesuits assassinated Lincoln.

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984"


The Jesuit Connection to the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln
:laughing0301: Dude. That website is "truth on the web ministries" by some mentally ill evangelical. The blog by this moron you linked has nothing to back up the claim other than "go to this zip file to read the book where Dr. Fakeass reveals all about this" and that link leads to nothing!

Conservatism is a mental disorder.
 
Got to say Dale is consistant- he can always find that conspiracy- no matter what.

"Consistent"........and I know more than you......infinitely more. That is why kicking your ass comes so easily to me.

Yep, Like always you do know lots more than most people. Your problem is that all that stuff you know is just crazy bullshit.

Nope, I base it on fact and the quotes that I produced here on this particular topic are historically based.


Got it. Somebody said something goofy a long time ago, and you call it historically based. It's still goofy.

So, Lincoln was being "goofy" when he wrote this to former catholic priest Charles Chiniquy , someone that Lincoln had defended in a trial back in the 1850's when the jesuits tried to frame him for a crime he did not commit???

"I am so glad to meet you again," he said: "you see that your friends, the Jesuits, have not yet killed me. But they would have surely done it when I passed through their most devoted city, Baltimore, had I not defeated their plans, by passing incognito a few hours before they expected me. We have the proof that the company which has been selected and organized to murder me was led by a rabid Roman Catholic, called Byrne; it was almost entirely composed of Roman Catholics; more than that, there were two disguised priests among them, to lead and encourage them. I am sorry to have so little time to see you: but I will not let you go before telling you that, a few days ago, I saw Mr. Morse, the learned inventor of electric telegraphy: he told me that when he was in Rome, not long ago, he found out the proofs of a most formidable conspiracy against this country and all its institutions. It is evident that it is to the intrigues and emissaries of the Pope that we owe, in great part, the horrible evil war which is threatening to cover the country with blood and ruins.

"I am sorry that Professor Morse had to leave Rome before he could know more about the secret plans of the Jesuits against the liberties and the very existence of this country. But do you know that I want you to take his place and continue that investigation? My plan is to attach you to my ambassador of France, as one of the secretaries. In that honourable position you would go from Paris to Rome, where you might find, through the directions of Mr. Morse, an opportunity of re-uniting the broken threads of his researches. 'It takes a Greek to fight a Greek.' As you have been twenty-five years a priest of Rome, I do not know any man in the United States so well acquainted as you are with the tricks of the Jesuits, and on the devotedness of whom I could better rely. And when, once on the staff of my ambassador, even as one of the secretaries, might you not soon yourself become the ambassador? I am in need of Christian men in every department of the public service, but more in those high positions. What do you think of that?"
More snake oil from your fiction website.
 
Unless you understand the Reformation started by Martin Luther, the Council of Trent and the use of the Jesuit order to counter what Martin Luther started? I am simply wasting my time and I haven't the time nor the inclination to take you by your little hand and guide you through it. In 1867, it was determined that the papal authority was behind the murder of Lincoln and one of the conspirators was found working as a bodyguard for the pope. Google some quotes by some of our founding fathers about their thoughts on the Jesuits that were reinstated in 1814 after being repudiated by Pope Clementine in 1773 by a papal bull.
So no source besides your ass? Figured so.

1867 plus 117 years equals 1984, dumb ass.........
Stop with your bullshit about dates and show me proof the Jesuits assassinated Lincoln.

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984"


The Jesuit Connection to the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln
:laughing0301: Dude. That website is "truth on the web ministries" by some mentally ill evangelical. The blog by this moron you linked has nothing to back up the claim other than "go to this zip file to read the book where Dr. Fakeass reveals all about this" and that link leads to nothing!

Conservatism is a mental disorder.

The quotes are legit.........your inability to do even some basic research isn't my problem.
 
...aaaaand then there is the fact that Jimmy Carter said that there were more slaves here in the U.S. NOW than ever before...sooooo so much for the war! Was it for neigh?!

Very true. Except instead of the masters owning the plantations now it is the government who owns the plantation and doles out the food, living quarters and jobs. Just like today with over 20% of our society living as slaves.
 
So no source besides your ass? Figured so.

1867 plus 117 years equals 1984, dumb ass.........
Stop with your bullshit about dates and show me proof the Jesuits assassinated Lincoln.

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984"


The Jesuit Connection to the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln
:laughing0301: Dude. That website is "truth on the web ministries" by some mentally ill evangelical. The blog by this moron you linked has nothing to back up the claim other than "go to this zip file to read the book where Dr. Fakeass reveals all about this" and that link leads to nothing!

Conservatism is a mental disorder.

The quotes are legit.........your inability to do even some basic research isn't my problem.
I did the basic research and this conspiracy theory is some wacked out extremist protestant anti catholic bullshit promoted by some Chick tracts guy who makes up his own bullshit history of religion any religious scholar would laugh at. Sounds like cult bs.

Conservatism is a cult and a mental disorder.
 
1867 plus 117 years equals 1984, dumb ass.........
Stop with your bullshit about dates and show me proof the Jesuits assassinated Lincoln.

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984"


The Jesuit Connection to the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln
:laughing0301: Dude. That website is "truth on the web ministries" by some mentally ill evangelical. The blog by this moron you linked has nothing to back up the claim other than "go to this zip file to read the book where Dr. Fakeass reveals all about this" and that link leads to nothing!

Conservatism is a mental disorder.

The quotes are legit.........your inability to do even some basic research isn't my problem.
I did the basic research and this conspiracy theory is some wacked out extremist protestant anti catholic bullshit promoted by some Chick tracts guy who makes up his own bullshit history of religion any religious scholar would laugh at. Sounds like cult bs.

Conservatism is a cult and a mental disorder.

Chicks tracts? Wtf? these quotes are from actual exchanges between Charles Chiniquy and Lincoln. Conservatism is a mental disorder but a society based on collectivism makes perfect sense to someone like yourself? I am a constitutionalist, the organic one that doesn't believe my right to exist comes from a benevolent oligarchy that believes in a blood line right to rule. We will never agree because the chasm is too deep and wide to ever breach that gap. In a war to impose the will of mere mortals over the serfs? Your side is going to lose. You see, your idealogy requires
100 percent cooperation......not gonna happen. Those of us that simply wish to live freely do not need your cooperation while your totalitarian style can't exist without it. I know more than you.
 
Americans, and clearly that means white Americans, are simply dishonest about race.
How pathetic, yet, not surprising!

The audacity of your arrogance, to make such claims,
due to your dishonesty, when it comes to race, aka., blame,
makes me want to scream and crack you upside the head
At no time in this country's history did white American believe that blacks were "that bad off", including during the height of Jim Crow atrocities.
How ******* dare you!

This white man was beaten unconscious,
stepping off a Freedom Rider bus in Alabama,
by a group of white, pos, scum...DURING JIM CROW

636240489606137992-Zwerg-profile.jpg

Upwards of 95,000 whites, joined the march on Washington

There is no doubt in my mind, there were hundreds of thousands
of white people who choice to not get involved, out of fear
instead of being courageous and standing up for what is right
It continues that way today, in where white Americans don't think that blacks "have it that bad" and firmly believe that it's WORSE to be CALLED racist than to have ACTUAL racism occur.
Blacks don't have it bad!
Nor, do all whites have it good!

Choices, not color, determines that.

If your choices involve, doing drugs,
selling drugs, gang banging, robbing people,
shop lifting, car jacking, hanging with bad people,
having multiple kids, with multiple deadbeats, you can't provide for,
living off of welfare instead of working....

You're not going to have it good....
no matter what color you are!

Circumstances do not dictate our character,
Character dictates how we handle our circumstances

There are black lawyers, doctors, teachers,
business owners, managers, editors, news casters,
actors, actresses, models, singers, fashion designers,
police officers, FBI and CIA agents, senators,
congressmen, directors, writters, nurses,
scientists, architectures, construction workers,
pipe fitters, electricians, city workers, fast food workers,
florists, car dealers, post office workers, engineers,.....

Not to mention, having a black man
serve as President of the United States, for 8 years....

Exposes who is dishonest, when it comes to race.

White people are sick of being called racist,
and accused of racism, by racist blacks,
who continue to blame every ill, on racism!
 
^ Whites are to blame....

We should have never taken anyone from Africa!
 
Lincoln was a genocidal murderer.


Yes he was. He was a traitor who should have been hung in 1861, before he got his murderous unjust war going.


What for?

Dumb question.


Nnnnnope. Dumb premise. Always is when that question can't be answered.

And guess what --- that's why I asked it.

Good God...read the F-ing thread. It is all here for you, but you have to open your mind....which is not possible, if you are a member of the Lincoln Cult.

So forgive me for not repeating what I and others have stated about the traitor Dishonest Abe. We have done it on this forum for many years.
 
Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery
It isn’t about states rights. It’s about 1:4 of the country hating the fact that blacks, gays, women etc have to be treated equally under federal law.

They’ve just crawled out from the woodwork since donald taking the White House


Oh look, the fake lawyer crawled out of the sewer to spew her racist lies. :thup:

Shouldn't you be off aiding Hamas in their attacks on Israel, like a good democrat? :dunno:

Being that you're a lawyer and all :lmao: perhaps you can offer a legal opinion of when the 14th amendment (oh look it up, retard) was passed and ratified?

Blacks have had to be treated equally for a long time, though you vile scum democrats wouldn't do it.

Republicans secured equal rights for women in the 1920's, overcoming the vicious opposition of you hate filled democrats.....
Oh man...you toasted Silly Jilly.

Love it!
 
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Hardly, nothing has changed?

Hardly anything has changed, you ignorant sot.

All those dixiecrats turned republic voters when that party promised to keep their white privilege.

Herpaderpaderpityderp derp derp.

So "All those dixiecrats turned republic" did they, stupid ****?

You mean like Orval Faubus? Albert Gore, George Wallace, Bull Conner, et al.?

:lol:

Hey, you're a democrat, a Stalinist. This means that you're stupid, and have no ethics.

Additionally, if you think the confederacy was just protecting the economic interests of a few your ignorant to what the people of the confederacy stated they wanted. Slavery represented the white superiority to them and they wanted to fight for it.

Izzatrite?

So fucktard, what do you figure, 99% of whites owned slaves in the Antebellum South? The average white devil had what,. a dozen slaves to wait on him?

Serious question, did you successfully complete third grade? :dunno:



I know that even a third grade child would know that romanticizing slavery is wrong.

They also probably have more reading comprehension that you too. I didn't figure anything about the percentage of slave owning whites in the Antebellum south, but rather stated that they wanted to maintain a system of white superiority.
Not every southerner owned slaves but they profited off the instititution. 40 percent of the population were in slavery. Cotton fueled the economy. Even if you didn’t own slaves, support services to plantations were paid in cotton money.
Then there was inherent racism. I may not have much, but I am better than a black man
 
Americans, and clearly that means white Americans, are simply dishonest about race.
How pathetic, yet, not surprising!

The audacity of your arrogance, to make such claims,
due to your dishonesty, when it comes to race, aka., blame,
makes me want to scream and crack you upside the head
At no time in this country's history did white American believe that blacks were "that bad off", including during the height of Jim Crow atrocities.
How ******* dare you!

This white man was beaten unconscious,
stepping off a Freedom Rider bus in Alabama,
by a group of white, pos, scum...DURING JIM CROW

636240489606137992-Zwerg-profile.jpg

Upwards of 95,000 whites, joined the march on Washington

There is no doubt in my mind, there were hundreds of thousands
of white people who choice to not get involved, out of fear
instead of being courageous and standing up for what is right
It continues that way today, in where white Americans don't think that blacks "have it that bad" and firmly believe that it's WORSE to be CALLED racist than to have ACTUAL racism occur.
Blacks don't have it bad!
Nor, do all whites have it good!

Choices, not color, determines that.

If your choices involve, doing drugs,
selling drugs, gang banging, robbing people,
shop lifting, car jacking, hanging with bad people,
having multiple kids, with multiple deadbeats, you can't provide for,
living off of welfare instead of working....

You're not going to have it good....
no matter what color you are!

Circumstances do not dictate our character,
Character dictates how we handle our circumstances

There are black lawyers, doctors, teachers,
business owners, managers, editors, news casters,
actors, actresses, models, singers, fashion designers,
police officers, FBI and CIA agents, senators,
congressmen, directors, writters, nurses,
scientists, architectures, construction workers,
pipe fitters, electricians, city workers, fast food workers,
florists, car dealers, post office workers, engineers,.....

Not to mention, having a black man
serve as President of the United States, for 8 years....

Exposes who is dishonest, when it comes to race.

White people are sick of being called racist,
and accused of racism, by racist blacks,
who continue to blame every ill, on racism!
This fool brings up a one-in-a-million exception, to prove the norm.

Who do you think you're fooling? No one but yourself, that's who.
 
The same Conservatives who pat themselves on the back about ending slavery are now rewriting history to say the war was not about slavery
 
The same Conservatives who pat themselves on the back about ending slavery are now rewriting history to say the war was not about slavery

The 13th Amendment was about slavery, not the War of Northern Aggression.

And the 13th Amendment passed without a single liberal vote.
 
The same Conservatives who pat themselves on the back about ending slavery are now rewriting history to say the war was not about slavery

The 13th Amendment was about slavery, not the War of Northern Aggression.

And the 13th Amendment passed without a single liberal vote.
It seems you have no conception of what a liberal is

Opposition to slavery was the primary liberal agenda of the era
 
15th post
The 13th Amendment was about slavery, not the War of Northern Aggression.

And the 13th Amendment passed without a single liberal vote.

This is the 5th most funniest comment in the whole thread -- which out of 1000 plus comments --- not bad..

Stupid and woefully ignorant of what words mean -- but still funny...
 
Not every southerner owned slaves but they profited off the instititution. 40 percent of the population were in slavery. Cotton fueled the economy. Even if you didn’t own slaves, support services to plantations were paid in cotton money.
Then there was inherent racism. I may not have much, but I am better than a black man
So, likewise, you profit off the big, evil, rich business owners or corporations, because they need support services, etc.?

We finally agree on how the economy works.
:beer:

Did the nouthern non-slave owners profit from slavery (they did)?

What about their open and obvious racism?

You can kick the shit out of the racist south all day, but do the same to everyone else. You sound like you are bigoted toward southerners (you are).
 
Americans, and clearly that means white Americans, are simply dishonest about race.
How pathetic, yet, not surprising!

The audacity of your arrogance, to make such claims,
due to your dishonesty, when it comes to race, aka., blame,
makes me want to scream and crack you upside the head
At no time in this country's history did white American believe that blacks were "that bad off", including during the height of Jim Crow atrocities.
How ******* dare you!

This white man was beaten unconscious,
stepping off a Freedom Rider bus in Alabama,
by a group of white, pos, scum...DURING JIM CROW

636240489606137992-Zwerg-profile.jpg

Upwards of 95,000 whites, joined the march on Washington

There is no doubt in my mind, there were hundreds of thousands
of white people who choice to not get involved, out of fear
instead of being courageous and standing up for what is right
It continues that way today, in where white Americans don't think that blacks "have it that bad" and firmly believe that it's WORSE to be CALLED racist than to have ACTUAL racism occur.
Blacks don't have it bad!
Nor, do all whites have it good!

Choices, not color, determines that.

If your choices involve, doing drugs,
selling drugs, gang banging, robbing people,
shop lifting, car jacking, hanging with bad people,
having multiple kids, with multiple deadbeats, you can't provide for,
living off of welfare instead of working....

You're not going to have it good....
no matter what color you are!

Circumstances do not dictate our character,
Character dictates how we handle our circumstances

There are black lawyers, doctors, teachers,
business owners, managers, editors, news casters,
actors, actresses, models, singers, fashion designers,
police officers, FBI and CIA agents, senators,
congressmen, directors, writters, nurses,
scientists, architectures, construction workers,
pipe fitters, electricians, city workers, fast food workers,
florists, car dealers, post office workers, engineers,.....

Not to mention, having a black man
serve as President of the United States, for 8 years....

Exposes who is dishonest, when it comes to race.

White people are sick of being called racist,
and accused of racism, by racist blacks,
who continue to blame every ill, on racism!
This fool brings up a one-in-a-million exception, to prove the norm.

Who do you think you're fooling? No one but yourself, that's who.
This fool brings up a one-in-a-million exception, to prove the norm.

Who do you think you're fooling? No one but yourself, that's who.
Gee,....great 'cumback' you scraped from the back of your throat,
instead of addressing what I wrote.

You are so transparent and typical, it's pathetic
 
Not every southerner owned slaves but they profited off the instititution. 40 percent of the population were in slavery. Cotton fueled the economy. Even if you didn’t own slaves, support services to plantations were paid in cotton money.
Then there was inherent racism. I may not have much, but I am better than a black man
So, likewise, you profit off the big, evil, rich business owners or corporations, because they need support services, etc.?

We finally agree on how the economy works.
:beer:

Did the nouthern non-slave owners profit from slavery (they did)?

What about their open and obvious racism?

You can kick the shit out of the racist south all day, but do the same to everyone else. You sound like you are bigoted toward southerners (you are).
It is not “the same”

I know “you guys did it too” is your best defense but the facts do not support you. Yes, the north was racist about blacks.
But they did not institutionalize racism like the south did

I don’t want my sister to marry a black man is not the same as blacks deserve to be slaves

The South was willing to fight and die for their right to own other humans. The north fought to preserve the union

It took the south an additional hundred years before they would legally treat blacks as equals.......and they resorted to terrorism to stop it
 
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