Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[Dale Smith]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.



The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984.

Good to know that Dale will find a Konspiracy in every thread.....

You have a problem with historical facts that don't fall in lockstep with what you have been lead to believe......and that's MY problem because of?????

 

[WheelieAddict]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.



The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984.

Good to know that Dale will find a Konspiracy in every thread.....

You have a problem with historical facts that don't fall in lockstep with what you have been lead to believe......and that's MY problem because of?????

Some bullshit you pulled up from altrightsite.ru isn't historical facts.

 

[Dale Smith]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.



The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984.

Good to know that Dale will find a Konspiracy in every thread.....

You have a problem with historical facts that don't fall in lockstep with what you have been lead to believe......and that's MY problem because of?????

Some bullshit you pulled up from altrightconspiracy.ru isn't historical facts.

Lincoln's quotes are what they are....no?

 

[WheelieAddict]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.



The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984.

Good to know that Dale will find a Konspiracy in every thread.....

You have a problem with historical facts that don't fall in lockstep with what you have been lead to believe......and that's MY problem because of?????

Some bullshit you pulled up from altrightconspiracy.ru isn't historical facts.

Lincoln's quotes are what they are....no?

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Source? (your ass doesn't count)

 

[Dale Smith]

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.



The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984.

Good to know that Dale will find a Konspiracy in every thread.....

You have a problem with historical facts that don't fall in lockstep with what you have been lead to believe......and that's MY problem because of?????

Some bullshit you pulled up from altrightconspiracy.ru isn't historical facts.

Lincoln's quotes are what they are....no?

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Source? (your ass doesn't count)

U.S. AND VATICAN RESTORE FULL TIES AFTER 117 YEARS

 

[WheelieAddict]

Good to know that Dale will find a Konspiracy in every thread.....

You have a problem with historical facts that don't fall in lockstep with what you have been lead to believe......and that's MY problem because of?????

Some bullshit you pulled up from altrightconspiracy.ru isn't historical facts.

Lincoln's quotes are what they are....no?

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Source? (your ass doesn't count)

U.S. AND VATICAN RESTORE FULL TIES AFTER 117 YEARS

Where in the article does it verify your assertion.
You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

 

[Markle]

Oh you contards do love your photoshop don't you?

Was he (Sen. Byrd) a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan or not?

Was that an actual photo of Senator Byrd in KKK paraphenalia - or photoshop?

Oh right- photoshop.

So you were spreading a lie.

Because that is what you do.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/robert-byrd-kkk-photo/

Because it sets the hair on fire of far left Progressives in spite of the fact that he really was a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan. Did Al Gore Sr. vote for the Civil Rights Act? Oh right, he filibustered against the act.

 

[Syriusly]

Oh you contards do love your photoshop don't you?

Was he (Sen. Byrd) a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan or not?

Was that an actual photo of Senator Byrd in KKK paraphenalia - or photoshop?

Oh right- photoshop.

So you were spreading a lie.

Because that is what you do.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/robert-byrd-kkk-photo/

Because it sets the hair on fire of far left Progressives .

Okay- so you are admitting you were lying. That is a good start.

Now you rationalize your lying for some higher purpose- apparently 'setting hair on fire'.

Now if you were honest- not some partisan hack- we could have a real discussion about Senator Byrd- and his connection to the KKK, and his regrets, apologies and his later embrace by the African American community.

NAACP mourns Byrd's death

“Senator Byrd reflects the transformative power of this nation,” stated NAACP President and CEO Benjamin Todd Jealous. “Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country.

“Senator Byrd came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda, doing well on the NAACP Annual Civil Rights Report Card. He stood with us on many issues of crucial importance to our members from the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act, the historic health care legislation of 2010 and his support for the Hate Crimes Prevention legislation,” stated Hilary O. Shelton, Director of the NAACP Washington Bureau and Senior Vice President for Advocacy and Policy. “Senator Byrd was a master of the Senate Rules, and helped strategize passage of legislation that helped millions of Americans. He will be sorely missed.”

I can certainly see why you want to attack Senator Byrd......

 

[Dale Smith]

You have a problem with historical facts that don't fall in lockstep with what you have been lead to believe......and that's MY problem because of?????

Some bullshit you pulled up from altrightconspiracy.ru isn't historical facts.

Lincoln's quotes are what they are....no?

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Source? (your ass doesn't count)

U.S. AND VATICAN RESTORE FULL TIES AFTER 117 YEARS

Where in the article does it verify your assertion.
You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Unless you understand the Reformation started by Martin Luther, the Council of Trent and the use of the Jesuit order to counter what Martin Luther started? I am simply wasting my time and I haven't the time nor the inclination to take you by your little hand and guide you through it. In 1867, it was determined that the papal authority was behind the murder of Lincoln and one of the conspirators was found working as a bodyguard for the pope. Google some quotes by some of our founding fathers about their thoughts on the Jesuits that were reinstated in 1814 after being repudiated by Pope Clementine in 1773 by a papal bull.

 

[Syriusly]

Some bullshit you pulled up from altrightconspiracy.ru isn't historical facts.

Lincoln's quotes are what they are....no?

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Source? (your ass doesn't count)

U.S. AND VATICAN RESTORE FULL TIES AFTER 117 YEARS

Where in the article does it verify your assertion.
You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

, it was determined that the papal authority was behind the murder of Lincoln and one of the conspirators was found working as a bodyguard for the pope.l.

Got to say Dale is consistant- he can always find that conspiracy- no matter what.

 

[Wintw]

...aaaaand then there is the fact that Jimmy Carter said that there were more slaves here in the U.S. NOW than ever before...sooooo so much for the war! Was it for neigh?!

 

[WheelieAddict]

Some bullshit you pulled up from altrightconspiracy.ru isn't historical facts.

Lincoln's quotes are what they are....no?

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Source? (your ass doesn't count)

U.S. AND VATICAN RESTORE FULL TIES AFTER 117 YEARS

Where in the article does it verify your assertion.
You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Unless you understand the Reformation started by Martin Luther, the Council of Trent and the use of the Jesuit order to counter what Martin Luther started? I am simply wasting my time and I haven't the time nor the inclination to take you by your little hand and guide you through it. In 1867, it was determined that the papal authority was behind the murder of Lincoln and one of the conspirators was found working as a bodyguard for the pope. Google some quotes by some of our founding fathers about their thoughts on the Jesuits that were reinstated in 1814 after being repudiated by Pope Clementine in 1773 by a papal bull.

So no source besides your ass? Figured so.

 

[Dale Smith]

Lincoln's quotes are what they are....no?

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Source? (your ass doesn't count)

U.S. AND VATICAN RESTORE FULL TIES AFTER 117 YEARS

Where in the article does it verify your assertion.
You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

, it was determined that the papal authority was behind the murder of Lincoln and one of the conspirators was found working as a bodyguard for the pope.l.

Got to say Dale is consistant- he can always find that conspiracy- no matter what.

"Consistent"........and I know more than you......infinitely more. That is why kicking your ass comes so easily to me.

 

[Dale Smith]

Lincoln's quotes are what they are....no?

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Source? (your ass doesn't count)

U.S. AND VATICAN RESTORE FULL TIES AFTER 117 YEARS

Where in the article does it verify your assertion.
You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Unless you understand the Reformation started by Martin Luther, the Council of Trent and the use of the Jesuit order to counter what Martin Luther started? I am simply wasting my time and I haven't the time nor the inclination to take you by your little hand and guide you through it. In 1867, it was determined that the papal authority was behind the murder of Lincoln and one of the conspirators was found working as a bodyguard for the pope. Google some quotes by some of our founding fathers about their thoughts on the Jesuits that were reinstated in 1814 after being repudiated by Pope Clementine in 1773 by a papal bull.

So no source besides your ass? Figured so.

1867 plus 117 years equals 1984, dumb ass.........

 

[BULLDOG]

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Source? (your ass doesn't count)

U.S. AND VATICAN RESTORE FULL TIES AFTER 117 YEARS

Where in the article does it verify your assertion.
You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

, it was determined that the papal authority was behind the murder of Lincoln and one of the conspirators was found working as a bodyguard for the pope.l.

Got to say Dale is consistant- he can always find that conspiracy- no matter what.

"Consistent"........and I know more than you......infinitely more. That is why kicking your ass comes so easily to me.

Yep, Like always you do know lots more than most people. Your problem is that all that stuff you know is just crazy bullshit.

 

[WheelieAddict]

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Source? (your ass doesn't count)

U.S. AND VATICAN RESTORE FULL TIES AFTER 117 YEARS

Where in the article does it verify your assertion.
You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Unless you understand the Reformation started by Martin Luther, the Council of Trent and the use of the Jesuit order to counter what Martin Luther started? I am simply wasting my time and I haven't the time nor the inclination to take you by your little hand and guide you through it. In 1867, it was determined that the papal authority was behind the murder of Lincoln and one of the conspirators was found working as a bodyguard for the pope. Google some quotes by some of our founding fathers about their thoughts on the Jesuits that were reinstated in 1814 after being repudiated by Pope Clementine in 1773 by a papal bull.

So no source besides your ass? Figured so.

1867 plus 117 years equals 1984, dumb ass.........

Stop with your bullshit about dates and show me proof the Jesuits assassinated Lincoln.

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984"

 

[Dale Smith]

U.S. AND VATICAN RESTORE FULL TIES AFTER 117 YEARS

Where in the article does it verify your assertion.
You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

, it was determined that the papal authority was behind the murder of Lincoln and one of the conspirators was found working as a bodyguard for the pope.l.

Got to say Dale is consistant- he can always find that conspiracy- no matter what.

"Consistent"........and I know more than you......infinitely more. That is why kicking your ass comes so easily to me.

Yep, Like always you do know lots more than most people. Your problem is that all that stuff you know is just crazy bullshit.

Nope, I base it on fact and the quotes that I produced here on this particular topic are historically based.

 

[BULLDOG]

Where in the article does it verify your assertion.
You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

, it was determined that the papal authority was behind the murder of Lincoln and one of the conspirators was found working as a bodyguard for the pope.l.

Got to say Dale is consistant- he can always find that conspiracy- no matter what.

"Consistent"........and I know more than you......infinitely more. That is why kicking your ass comes so easily to me.

Yep, Like always you do know lots more than most people. Your problem is that all that stuff you know is just crazy bullshit.

Nope, I base it on fact and the quotes that I produced here on this particular topic are historically based.

Got it. Somebody said something goofy a long time ago, and you call it historically based. It's still goofy.

 

[Dale Smith]

U.S. AND VATICAN RESTORE FULL TIES AFTER 117 YEARS

Where in the article does it verify your assertion.
You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984".

Unless you understand the Reformation started by Martin Luther, the Council of Trent and the use of the Jesuit order to counter what Martin Luther started? I am simply wasting my time and I haven't the time nor the inclination to take you by your little hand and guide you through it. In 1867, it was determined that the papal authority was behind the murder of Lincoln and one of the conspirators was found working as a bodyguard for the pope. Google some quotes by some of our founding fathers about their thoughts on the Jesuits that were reinstated in 1814 after being repudiated by Pope Clementine in 1773 by a papal bull.

So no source besides your ass? Figured so.

1867 plus 117 years equals 1984, dumb ass.........

Stop with your bullshit about dates and show me proof the Jesuits assassinated Lincoln.

You said:
"The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984"

The Jesuit Connection to the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln

 

[Muhammed]

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery

Could you explain the reasoning that you used to come to that conclusion, jackass?