Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

Oh you mean the democrat war to kill their fellow countrymen rather than give up their slaves, right?

The Confederacy had no political parties, Frankie. They kicked 'em out. Deliberately.

The Civil War and what led up to it was only about "states rights" insofar as the doctrine of "popular sovereignty" ---- leaving the decision of whether to allow slavery in newly-admitted states --- was the position of the Stephen Douglas wing of the Democratic Party (and others) in the1850s. By the time Douglas was nominated as a Presidential candidate in 1860, the South completely shut him out. But by the time of secession following that election, all of the Confederate states cited slavery specifically as their basis.

Nor was political party affiliation ever any kind of requirement to own slaves. Slaveowners were Federalists, Democratic-Republicans, Whigs, Know Nothings, Democrats, Constitutional Unionists and Those With No Party At All.

Oh and that Lincoln guy? Took a Democrat for a running mate and called it the "National Union Party". That was to garner Democratic voters in what was left of the country -- the part that still had political parties.

Prove any of that inaccurate.
You must be one of the Conservatives the OP was railing against


Slugo is just a liar.

The Confederacy was 100% democrat. There was no need for parties as the ONLY party allowed were the democrats..
About time USMB's resident contard liar showed up- hi Uncensored!

As is usual- Censy is just lying....again.

There was no 'party allowed'- as the Confederates didn't want political parties.

Who was the Democratic Party?

Well founded by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison- so no wonder Conservatives despise the Democratic Party...
Civil War-Era Political Parties of the North Vs. the South | Synonym
Political Parties in the Confederacy
There were no recognized political parties in the Confederate States of America. Most Southerners, including Confederate President Jefferson Davis, opposed political parties, considering them to be a corruption of the principles of republican government. However, many of the members of the Confederate Congress were former Southern Democrats. A few had been Constitutional Unionists or Whigs. While there were no political parties, per se, Confederate politicians often divided over the issue of whether to have a strong central government. Nationalists, including Jefferson Davis, favored giving the Confederate government broad powers, especially in war time. Libertarians, led by Alexander Stephens, favored a very limited confederate government, reserving most powers -- including most war powers -- to the individual states.

Was just about to post pretty much the same thing. Pothead (named years ago for his obsession with Pol Pot) has always been a lying dishonest hack assoholic. He tries to link a post that imagines making my point before I made it, apparently thinking nobody will bother to click the link and see what it actually is -- which is not in the least related.

No Pothead, not only did the Confederacy have no Democrats or any other party, they also kicked the actual Democrats out when they tried to hold their 1860 convention in of all places Charleston, and come the election gave its candidate the same number of electoral votes they gave Lincoln, which was zero.

Moreover that Democratic Party wasn't founded at all by Jefferson and Madison -- it was organized by Martin van Buren out of his predecessors' supporters theretofore known only as "Jacksonians" into a political party. Must suck for you that van Buren was an Abolitionist too.

Oh and that "the South was 100% Democratic" horseshit is going to come as a bit of a surprise to John Bell, the Constitutional Unionist Party candidate who won Tennessee, Virginia and Kentucky in that election.

******* lying HACK. This is why you're on Ignore. You're a worthless troll with no points and no life.
 
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Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery
It isn’t about states rights. It’s about 1:4 of the country hating the fact that blacks, gays, women etc have to be treated equally under federal law.

They’ve just crawled out from the woodwork since donald taking the White House


Oh look, the fake lawyer crawled out of the sewer to spew her racist lies. :thup:....

Poor little Fascist contard always crawling out to explain how the only racists are 'Democrats'
 
Hardly, nothing has changed? All those dixiecrats turned republic voters when that party promised to keep their white privilege.

Additionally, if you think the confederacy was just protecting the economic interests of a few your ignorant to what the people of the confederacy stated they wanted. Slavery represented the white superiority to them and they wanted to fight for it.

Yep, sure did! LOL!

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Oh you contards do love your photoshop don't you?
 
About time USMB's resident contard liar showed up- hi Uncensored!

You are seriously stupid, I've been in the thread from the beginning, retard.

As is usual- Censy is just lying....again.

There was no 'party allowed'- as the Confederates didn't want political parties.

Oh well, do be sure to point out the robust multi-party system there - unless you're a ******* liar.

I mean, ARE you a ******* liar?

Hmmm?

Who was the Democratic Party?

Well founded by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison- so no wonder Conservatives despise the Democratic Party...

Way to pull out debunked bullshit from the 1950's retard.

No fucktard, the evil democrats are not Jefferson's Republican party, nor are they related. That Jefferson initially called his party the "Democratic-Republicans" has no bearing on it.

The democrat party was founded by Andrew Jackson and Aaron Burr, a mass murderer and a traitor. Hey, it fits, you democrats are traitors to this day.


Civil War-Era Political Parties of the North Vs. the South | Synonym
Political Parties in the Confederacy
There were no recognized political parties in the Confederate States of America. Most Southerners, including Confederate President Jefferson Davis, opposed political parties, considering them to be a corruption of the principles of republican government. However, many of the members of the Confederate Congress were former Southern Democrats. A few had been Constitutional Unionists or Whigs. While there were no political parties, per se, Confederate politicians often divided over the issue of whether to have a strong central government. Nationalists, including Jefferson Davis, favored giving the Confederate government broad powers, especially in war time. Libertarians, led by Alexander Stephens, favored a very limited confederate government, reserving most powers -- including most war powers -- to the individual states.

******* brilliant comrade, call me a liar then go and prove exactly what I said.

You truly are a retard, even as Stalinists go. :thup:
 
Was just about to post pretty much the same thing. Pothead (named years ago for his obsession with Pol Pot) has always been a lying dishonest hack assoholic. He tries to link a post that imagines making my point before I made it, apparently thinking nobody will bother to click the link and see what it actually is -- which is not in the least related.

:lol:

What a pathetic ******* liar you are.

Wow, slink off to the gutter, you have nothing to offer.
 
Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery
It isn’t about states rights. It’s about 1:4 of the country hating the fact that blacks, gays, women etc have to be treated equally under federal law.

They’ve just crawled out from the woodwork since donald taking the White House


Oh look, the fake lawyer crawled out of the sewer to spew her racist lies. :thup:....

Poor little Fascist contard always crawling out to explain how the only racists are 'Democrats'


DERP

You and lying slugo are quite the pair. Bet you ALMOST break double digits with your combined IQ.

I said nothing of "only Stalinists" are racists. I pointed out that Jillian is a racist. Grasp the difference, comrade?

democrats do tend to be the most racist people in the country, and you have been since Jackson founded your filthy party on the trail of tears. But I never said you are the ONLY racists.
 
Oh you mean the democrat war to kill their fellow countrymen rather than give up their slaves, right?

The Confederacy had no political parties, Frankie. They kicked 'em out. Deliberately.

The Civil War and what led up to it was only about "states rights" insofar as the doctrine of "popular sovereignty" ---- leaving the decision of whether to allow slavery in newly-admitted states --- was the position of the Stephen Douglas wing of the Democratic Party (and others) in the1850s. By the time Douglas was nominated as a Presidential candidate in 1860, the South completely shut him out. But by the time of secession following that election, all of the Confederate states cited slavery specifically as their basis.

Nor was political party affiliation ever any kind of requirement to own slaves. Slaveowners were Federalists, Democratic-Republicans, Whigs, Know Nothings, Democrats, Constitutional Unionists and Those With No Party At All.

Oh and that Lincoln guy? Took a Democrat for a running mate and called it the "National Union Party". That was to garner Democratic voters in what was left of the country -- the part that still had political parties.

Prove any of that inaccurate.
You must be one of the Conservatives the OP was railing against


Slugo is just a liar.

The Confederacy was 100% democrat. There was no need for parties as the ONLY party allowed were the democrats..
About time USMB's resident contard liar showed up- hi Uncensored!

As is usual- Censy is just lying....again.

There was no 'party allowed'- as the Confederates didn't want political parties.

Who was the Democratic Party?

Well founded by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison- so no wonder Conservatives despise the Democratic Party...
Civil War-Era Political Parties of the North Vs. the South | Synonym
Political Parties in the Confederacy
There were no recognized political parties in the Confederate States of America. Most Southerners, including Confederate President Jefferson Davis, opposed political parties, considering them to be a corruption of the principles of republican government. However, many of the members of the Confederate Congress were former Southern Democrats. A few had been Constitutional Unionists or Whigs. While there were no political parties, per se, Confederate politicians often divided over the issue of whether to have a strong central government. Nationalists, including Jefferson Davis, favored giving the Confederate government broad powers, especially in war time. Libertarians, led by Alexander Stephens, favored a very limited confederate government, reserving most powers -- including most war powers -- to the individual states.

Was just about to post pretty much the same thing. Pothead (named years ago for his obsession with Pol Pot) has always been a lying dishonest hack assoholic. He tries to link a post that imagines making my point before I made it, apparently thinking nobody will bother to click the link and see what it actually is -- which is not in the least related.

No Pothead, not only did the Confederacy have no Democrats or any other party, they also kicked the actual Democrats out when they tried to hold their 1860 convention in of all places Charleston, and come the election gave its candidate the same number of electoral votes they gave Lincoln, which was zero.

Moreover that Democratic Party wasn't founded at all by Jefferson and Madison -- it was organized by Martin van Buren out of his predecessors' supporters theretofore known only as "Jacksonians" into a political party. Must suck for you that van Buren was an Abolitionist too.

Oh and that "the South was 100% Democratic" horseshit is going to come as a bit of a surprise to John Bell, the Constitutional Unionist Party candidate who won Tennessee, Virginia and Kentucky in that election.

******* lying HACK. This is why you're on Ignore. You're a worthless troll with no points and no life.


So Slugo you lying kunt. remember me posting this; "Remember, the Confederacy was a big government oligarchy which used the power of the state to oppress 90% of the population, white and black."

You are one SCUMMY little liar.
 
Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery


"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.


Little known historical fact is that after the 70 years was up due to what was known as John Jay's Treaty of 1794 (concerning compensation for pre-revolutionary debts, British seizures of American ships to be resolved by arbitration) Lincoln had the task of asking for an extension for the debt. England wanted the lands of the southern states created after the Revolutionary war to be put up as collateral. The Morrill tariff as well as the taxes placed on southern states for cotton placed southern states in a place where they couldn't negotiate their own trade deals. Only three percent of the farmers in the south owned slaves thus it is ludicrous to believe that the other 97 percent would fight a war in order that the richest 3 percent could keep slavery in place. The Jesuits and the Rothschilds played a huge part in the war. Here is another quote from Lincoln concerning the catholic church.

"This war would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits. We owe it to popery that we now see our land reddened with the blood of her noblest sons. Though there were great differences of opinion between the South and the North on the question of slavery, neither Jeff Davis nor anyone of the leading men of the Confederacy would have dared to attack the North, had they not relied on the promises of the Jesuits, that, under the mask of Democracy, the money and the arms of the Roman Catholic, even the arms of France were at their disposal, if they would attack us. I pity the priests, the bishops and monks of Rome in the United States, when the people realize that they are, in great part, responsible for the tears and the blood shed in this war. I conceal what I know, on that subject, from the knowledge of the nation; for if the people knew the whole truth, this war would turn into a religious war, and it would at once, take a tenfold more savage and bloody character. It would become merciless as all religious wars are. It would become a war of extermination on both sides. The Protestants of both the North and the South would surely unite to exterminate the priests and the Jesuits, if they could hear what Professor Morse has said to me of the plots made in the very city of Rome to destroy this Republic, and if they could learn how the priests, the nuns, and the monks, which daily land on our shores, under the pretext of preaching their religion, instructing the people in their schools, taking care of the sick in the hospitals, are nothing else but the emissaries of the Pope, of Napoleon, and the other despots of Europe, to undermine our institutions, alienate the hearts of our people from our constitution, and our laws, destroy our schools, and prepare a reign of anarchy here as they have done in Ireland, in Mexico, in Spain, and wherever there are any people who want to be free.”

The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984.
 
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I know that even a third grade child would know that romanticizing slavery is wrong.

Wow, that's deep cleetus - since someone was romanticizing slavery and all..

They also probably have more reading comprehension that you too. I didn't figure anything about the percentage of slave owning whites in the Antebellum south, but rather stated that they wanted to maintain a system of white superiority.

Who is "they, " shit fer brains?

Fact is you are and ignorant Stalinist spewing out moronic talking points with literally zero understanding of the subject at hand.

Secession was instituted without the consent of the governed, Have a grown up explain what that means, cleetus.

An extremely small ruling caste pushed secession, the monied gentry.

Once a shooting war broke out, commoners had little choice but to fight to protect their homes and families.



You don't really know much about the war do you.
 
Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery
It isn’t about states rights. It’s about 1:4 of the country hating the fact that blacks, gays, women etc have to be treated equally under federal law.

They’ve just crawled out from the woodwork since donald taking the White House


Oh look, the fake lawyer crawled out of the sewer to spew her racist lies. :thup:....

Poor little Fascist contard always crawling out to explain how the only racists are 'Democrats'


DERP

You and lying slugo are quite the pair. Bet you ALMOST break double digits with your combined IQ.

I said nothing of "only Stalinists" are racists. I pointed out that Jillian is a racist. Grasp the difference, comrade?

democrats do tend to be the most racist people in the country, and you have been since Jackson founded your filthy party on the trail of tears. But I never said you are the ONLY racists.

Now here he is claiming "Jackson" founded the party --- after his own linked post just said "Jefferson and Madison" founded it. All of which are incorrect and all of which are irrelevant to the topic. Changes his positions with the ticking of the minute hand and is actually dense enough to think nobody will notice.

Poor attention-starved troll. :itsok:
 
And we all know that politicians never lie.
I'm just saying, Lincoln was a white supremacist.

I am just wondering why you feel it is important to say that.

Since virtually all white Americans of the era were White Supremacists.
Because ALT's dumb ass said that Lincoln was not a white supremacist. I was correcting a moron.

What ended up happening is you made yourself look like a moron.
 
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Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery
It isn’t about states rights. It’s about 1:4 of the country hating the fact that blacks, gays, women etc have to be treated equally under federal law.

They’ve just crawled out from the woodwork since donald taking the White House


Oh look, the fake lawyer crawled out of the sewer to spew her racist lies. :thup:....

Poor little Fascist contard always crawling out to explain how the only racists are 'Democrats'



You

Poor little fascist- always out there lying- because that is all you know how to do.

Well and troll.
 
Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery


"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.



The Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln and the reason that there were no diplomatic ties to the Roman catholic church in Rome until 1984.

Good to know that Dale will find a Konspiracy in every thread.....
 

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