Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[ATL]

Not every southerner owned slaves but they profited off the instititution. 40 percent of the population were in slavery. Cotton fueled the economy. Even if you didn’t own slaves, support services to plantations were paid in cotton money.
Then there was inherent racism. I may not have much, but I am better than a black man

So, likewise, you profit off the big, evil, rich business owners or corporations, because they need support services, etc.?

We finally agree on how the economy works.
[emoji481]

Did the nouthern non-slave owners profit from slavery (they did)?

What about their open and obvious racism?

You can kick the shit out of the racist south all day, but do the same to everyone else. You sound like you are bigoted toward southerners (you are).

It is not “the same”

I know “you guys did it too” is your best defense but the facts do not support you. Yes, the north was racist about blacks.
But they did not institutionalize racism like the south did

I don’t want my sister to marry a black man is not the same as blacks deserve to be slaves

The South was willing to fight and die for their right to own other humans. The north fought to preserve the union

It took the south an additional hundred years before they would legally treat blacks as equals.......and they resorted to terrorism to stop it

The simple fact that slaves risked their lives to escape to the north, says everything there needs to be said about the difference between the north and south. Period.

 

[rightwinger]

Not every southerner owned slaves but they profited off the instititution. 40 percent of the population were in slavery. Cotton fueled the economy. Even if you didn’t own slaves, support services to plantations were paid in cotton money.
Then there was inherent racism. I may not have much, but I am better than a black man

So, likewise, you profit off the big, evil, rich business owners or corporations, because they need support services, etc.?

We finally agree on how the economy works.
[emoji481]

Did the nouthern non-slave owners profit from slavery (they did)?

What about their open and obvious racism?

You can kick the shit out of the racist south all day, but do the same to everyone else. You sound like you are bigoted toward southerners (you are).

It is not “the same”

I know “you guys did it too” is your best defense but the facts do not support you. Yes, the north was racist about blacks.
But they did not institutionalize racism like the south did

I don’t want my sister to marry a black man is not the same as blacks deserve to be slaves

The South was willing to fight and die for their right to own other humans. The north fought to preserve the union

It took the south an additional hundred years before they would legally treat blacks as equals.......and they resorted to terrorism to stop it

The simple fact that slaves risked their lives to escape to the north, says everything there needs to be said about the difference between the north and south. Period.

It was the south that forced the passage of the fugitive slave act

 

[rightwinger]

I have to applaud today’s Conservatives

They have been instructed to remind everyone that it was the Democrats that owned slaves and the Republicans who freed them

At the same time they fight to protect the Confederate flag, fight to protect confederate monuments and are actively rewriting history to downplay the role slavery had in the Civil War

 

[Polishprince]

It was the south that forced the passage of the fugitive slave act

Actually, the Fugitive Slave Act was passed as part of the Compromise of 1850

 

[Pogo]

Lincoln was a genocidal murderer.

Yes he was. He was a traitor who should have been hung in 1861, before he got his murderous unjust war going.

What for?

Dumb question.

Nnnnnope. Dumb premise. Always is when that question can't be answered.

And guess what --- that's why I asked it.

Good God...read the F-ing thread. It is all here for you, but you have to open your mind....which is not possible, if you are a member of the Lincoln Cult.

So forgive me for not repeating what I and others have stated about the traitor Dishonest Abe. We have done it on this forum for many years.

Yeah yeah we already established that you can't support your point and that all you can do is whine about it. You only dig yourself even deeper by continuing to reiterate it.

Dumbass.

 

[Pogo]

The same Conservatives who pat themselves on the back about ending slavery are now rewriting history to say the war was not about slavery

The 13th Amendment was about slavery, not the War of Northern Aggression.

And the 13th Amendment passed without a single liberal vote.

The Thirteenth Amendment is BY DEFINITION an affirmation of Liberalism. Every vote for it was "Liberal". The Conservative position was to conserve the institution of Slavery.

Ignorance is Strength, comrade. And you be smelling pretty ******* strong right about now.

 

[Pogo]

Americans, and clearly that means white Americans, are simply dishonest about race.

How pathetic, yet, not surprising!

The audacity of your arrogance, to make such claims,
due to your dishonesty, when it comes to race, aka., blame,
makes me want to scream and crack you upside the head

At no time in this country's history did white American believe that blacks were "that bad off", including during the height of Jim Crow atrocities.

How ******* dare you!

This white man was beaten unconscious,
stepping off a Freedom Rider bus in Alabama,
by a group of white, pos, scum...DURING JIM CROW

Upwards of 95,000 whites, joined the march on Washington

There is no doubt in my mind, there were hundreds of thousands
of white people who choice to not get involved, out of fear
instead of being courageous and standing up for what is right

It continues that way today, in where white Americans don't think that blacks "have it that bad" and firmly believe that it's WORSE to be CALLED racist than to have ACTUAL racism occur.

Blacks don't have it bad!
Nor, do all whites have it good!

Choices, not color, determines that.

If your choices involve, doing drugs,
selling drugs, gang banging, robbing people,
shop lifting, car jacking, hanging with bad people,
having multiple kids, with multiple deadbeats, you can't provide for,
living off of welfare instead of working....

You're not going to have it good....
no matter what color you are!

Circumstances do not dictate our character,
Character dictates how we handle our circumstances

There are black lawyers, doctors, teachers,
business owners, managers, editors, news casters,
actors, actresses, models, singers, fashion designers,
police officers, FBI and CIA agents, senators,
congressmen, directors, writters, nurses,
scientists, architectures, construction workers,
pipe fitters, electricians, city workers, fast food workers,
florists, car dealers, post office workers, engineers,.....

Not to mention, having a black man
serve as President of the United States, for 8 years....

Exposes who is dishonest, when it comes to race.

White people are sick of being called racist,
and accused of racism, by racist blacks,
who continue to blame every ill, on racism!

This fool brings up a one-in-a-million exception, to prove the norm.

Who do you think you're fooling? No one but yourself, that's who.

It's not at all one-in-a-million, Brother Marc. I had many (white) friends and associates who were there on those same front lines too. Broad-brush is always dicey.

Now I don't agree with your adversary's simplistic Pollyanna view that it's entirely about "choices" while forced-legacy is conveniently overlooked, but that's his broad-brush. But make no mistake, young whites significantly put themselves on the line in those times of sweeping social revolution where ALL of the traditional values including war, materialism and bigotry were being fiercely challenged. Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwermer were two of the most well known of the fallen in that battle. Viola Liuzzo, murdered by the Klan, was another. And countless cultural leaders from Pete Seeger to Phil Ochs to Bob Dylan.

 

[Polishprince]

The Thirteenth Amendment is BY DEFINITION an affirmation of Liberalism. Every vote for it was "Liberal". The Conservative position was to conserve the institution of Slavery.

Ignorance is Strength, comrade. And you be smelling pretty ******* strong right about now.

Slavery has been compared to Obamacare, by no less of an authority as African American leader Ben Carson.

Both programs, definitely liberal.

The essence of Obamacare is people telling you what to do- you MUST buy this policy, you MUST include free condoms in the policy you offer. Slavery, was similar, people telling the slaves what they had to do. You MUST pick that cotton.

 

[Pogo]

Not every southerner owned slaves but they profited off the instititution. 40 percent of the population were in slavery. Cotton fueled the economy. Even if you didn’t own slaves, support services to plantations were paid in cotton money.
Then there was inherent racism. I may not have much, but I am better than a black man

So, likewise, you profit off the big, evil, rich business owners or corporations, because they need support services, etc.?

We finally agree on how the economy works.


Did the nouthern non-slave owners profit from slavery (they did)?

What about their open and obvious racism?

You can kick the shit out of the racist south all day, but do the same to everyone else. You sound like you are bigoted toward southerners (you are).

To be accurate, racism has never been limited to the South. It may have taken on slightly different cultural flavors out of historical patterns but the whole idea that "Africans are inferior savages" was invented as a pretext to stave off the inevitable moral objections to human transcontinental trafficking, by European profiteers five hundred years ago, and the view was in no way limited to the South or to the United States at all (Brazil for example imported many more Africans than the US did on the same pretext).

In the election of 1860, the same one that elected Lincoln and precipitated war over slaveholder paranoia, one of the states also held a referendum on whether black people should be given the right to vote. The referendum came back with a resounding "No, they should not". That state was --- New York. In the same election in which it elected Lincoln.

Again, we paint with broad brushes at our peril.....

 

[Pogo]

The Thirteenth Amendment is BY DEFINITION an affirmation of Liberalism. Every vote for it was "Liberal". The Conservative position was to conserve the institution of Slavery.

Ignorance is Strength, comrade. And you be smelling pretty ******* strong right about now.

Slavery has been compared to Obamacare, by no less of an authority as African American leader Ben Carson.

Both programs, definitely liberal.

The essence of Obamacare is people telling you what to do- you MUST buy this policy, you MUST include free condoms in the policy you offer. Slavery, was similar, people telling the slaves what they had to do. You MUST pick that cotton.

"Liberal" has nothing to do with "MUST". It's actually the opposite. As I and others already noted you have zero clue what the words you use actually mean. Go forth and learn them.

 

[Polishprince]

"Liberal" has nothing to do with "MUST". It's actually the opposite. .

Actually, "liberal" is a registered trademark for the left, that they started to use when "progressive" got discredited.

Everything modern liberals do is about forcing people to do this or do that- although I guess I'll use "progressive" if that makes you feel better.

 

[Pogo]

I have to applaud today’s Conservatives

They have been instructed to remind everyone that it was the Democrats that owned slaves and the Republicans who freed them

At the same time they fight to protect the Confederate flag, fight to protect confederate monuments and are actively rewriting history to downplay the role slavery had in the Civil War

---- which has been the whole theme of the Cult of the Lost Cause over the last century -- the same Cult that wrote "The Clansman", produced "Birth of a Nation" and "Gone With the Wind" and revived the expired Ku Klux Klan.

 

[Pogo]

"Liberal" has nothing to do with "MUST". It's actually the opposite. .

Actually, "liberal" is a registered trademark for the left, that they started to use when "progressive" got discredited.

Everything modern liberals do is about forcing people to do this or do that- although I guess I'll use "progressive" if that makes you feel better.

Perhaps you should go take a ******* political science class since you're dead set against leaning what words mean. The Progressive Era was roughly 1890 to 1920. That means it's over.

Liberalism is the philosophy that founded this country, wrote its Constitution, and proposed a then-revolutionary concept that power derives from the consent of the governed and not from what had been up to then the norm, the Clergy and the Aristocracy. "Liberal" and "left" are two different things. "Liberal", 'left" and "right" are three different things.

Fer ****'s sake go buy a book or some damn thing.

/offtopic

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The simple fact that slaves risked their lives to escape to the north, says everything there needs to be said about the difference between the north and south. Period.

Let's be honest here.

The difference?

South = Slave States
North = Non-Slave States

Alleging any other difference is ignorance and a revision of history. There was no benevolence or pity in the north. They had racial segregation in the north.
Racial segregation in the United States - Wikipedia

All northern white people believed their race was superior. Black people were second-class citizens in the north.

Northern benevolence? Not even close. Slavery gave the south an unfair economic advantage over the north and that was the absolute, number one reason northern white people wanted to abolish slavery.

So, let's all stop pretending that southerners were evil, hateful jackasses while northerners were peaceful, benevolent creatures, which false narrative Hollywood and media have repeatedly spun for decades. All that does is stir up unnecessary shit and make people more hateful. Unless that's the goal?

 

[rightwinger]

The Thirteenth Amendment is BY DEFINITION an affirmation of Liberalism. Every vote for it was "Liberal". The Conservative position was to conserve the institution of Slavery.

Ignorance is Strength, comrade. And you be smelling pretty ******* strong right about now.

Slavery has been compared to Obamacare, by no less of an authority as African American leader Ben Carson.

Both programs, definitely liberal.

The essence of Obamacare is people telling you what to do- you MUST buy this policy, you MUST include free condoms in the policy you offer. Slavery, was similar, people telling the slaves what they had to do. You MUST pick that cotton.

Comparing Obamacare to slavery shows how clueless conservatives are

 

[xyz]

I think everyone was expecting a war to begin with.

First the Deep South secedes, then states closer to the Mason Dixon line, but not only do not all slave states succeed, part of Virginia also doesn't. So I think this buffer area could mean that they were expecting an invasion.

And by the way, attacking the US Army is treason, even if seceding isn't.

 

[BlindBoo]

Of course it wasn't. That was fake news at the time. One thing I learned on this board is that Democrats have never changed since those times. The Civil War must have been about inclusion, diversity, LGBT rights, and gender identification, which obviously the Northern Separatist opposed them all.

 

[Pogo]

The simple fact that slaves risked their lives to escape to the north, says everything there needs to be said about the difference between the north and south. Period.

Let's be honest here.

The difference?

South = Slave States
North = Non-Slave States

Alleging any other difference is ignorance and a revision of history. There was no benevolence or pity in the north. They had racial segregation in the north.
Racial segregation in the United States - Wikipedia

All northern white people believed their race was superior. Black people were second-class citizens in the north.

Northern benevolence? Not even close. Slavery gave the south an unfair economic advantage over the north and that was the absolute, number one reason northern white people wanted to abolish slavery.

So, let's all stop pretending that southerners were evil, hateful jackasses while northerners were peaceful, benevolent creatures, which false narrative Hollywood and media have repeatedly spun for decades. All that does is stir up unnecessary shit and make people more hateful. Unless that's the goal?

Once again i gotta nitpick yet another black-and-white no pun intended sweeping broad brush. That being this:

Northern benevolence? Not even close. Slavery gave the south an unfair economic advantage over the north and that was the absolute, number one reason northern white people wanted to abolish slavery. ​

Not even close. Opposition to Slavery specifically on moral grounds has been active since the transAtlantic slave trade began, right back to Bartholomé de las Casas taking Columbus to task for his exploitation of indigenous Arawaks. Both opposition and support for the peculiar institution was dressed up in Biblical garb to sell it (de las Casas was a priest). That opposition was already rife before the colonies declared Independence, it birthed the Free Soil Party (that ran van Buren in 1844) and other Abolitionist movements and parties including eventually the Republican Party, was a prime activity of Quakers in both the North and the South, and had already driven Britain (1834), France (1794) and Spain (1811) to abolish the entire institution altogether, as did most of their former American colonies that had achieved independence.

Abolition was clearly winning out. Condemnation of the institution of slavery was in no way limited to the Northern United States, to any part of the Americas, or to the nineteenth century.

 

[Markle]

^ Whites are to blame....

We should have never taken anyone from Africa!

 

[Pogo]

^ Whites are to blame....

We should have never taken anyone from Africa!

Again --- Bullshit. The first (transAtlantic) slave owners in "America" were Spanish merchants who brought some 150 Africans to what is now South Carolina. That was 1534, over a century before your Googly Image. Happily those African slaves rose up and revolted, kicked their captors into the sea and (presumably) mixed with the native indigenous tribes.

Try to aim just a wee bit higher than Googly Images if you're going to pretend to wax prolific on history.