Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[Uncensored2008]

Ever hear the expression "You can't fix Stupid"?

No one want's to fix you Slugo, we just expose you as the fraud you are.

 

[Pogo]

Lincoln was a genocidal murderer.

Yes he was. He was a traitor who should have been hung in 1861, before he got his murderous unjust war going.

What for?

Dumb question.

Nnnnnope. Dumb premise. Always is when that question can't be answered.

And guess what --- that's why I asked it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Hardly, nothing has changed?

Hardly anything has changed, you ignorant sot.

All those dixiecrats turned republic voters when that party promised to keep their white privilege.

Herpaderpaderpityderp derp derp.

So "All those dixiecrats turned republic" did they, stupid ****?

You mean like Orval Faubus? Albert Gore, George Wallace, Bull Conner, et al.?



Hey, you're a democrat, a Stalinist. This means that you're stupid, and have no ethics.

Additionally, if you think the confederacy was just protecting the economic interests of a few your ignorant to what the people of the confederacy stated they wanted. Slavery represented the white superiority to them and they wanted to fight for it.

Izzatrite?

So fucktard, what do you figure, 99% of whites owned slaves in the Antebellum South? The average white devil had what,. a dozen slaves to wait on him?

Serious question, did you successfully complete third grade?

 

[jillian]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

It isn’t about states rights. It’s about 1:4 of the country hating the fact that blacks, gays, women etc have to be treated equally under federal law.

They’ve just crawled out from the woodwork since donald taking the White House

 

[OKTexas]

There is nothing in the Constitution that allows the commander in chief to unilaterally write laws. Slavery was legal, he had no authority to declare it otherwise, by proclamation.

I think the difference is the EP wasn't a "law" of the United States. It was a military order effective in occupied war territory (the Confederacy had by definition left the United States).

The EP did not "declare slavery illegal". It only declared that those who had been slaves in certain occupied territory were freed of their status. Actually abolition of Slavery was effected by the 13th Amendment in December of 1865, at which time none of the seceded states had been readmitted yet.

Don't let the facts intrude on this Confederate love fest.

The Emancipation Proclamation is an odd document to watch the contards twist themselves into pretzels about.

You have the one side who proudly lie that the Emancipation Proclamation didn't free a single slave- and that is of course false- but they make the lie to diminish the importance of it.

Then you have the other group which proclaims the EP was illegal- deftly ignoring the actual wording of the EP and the legal argument behind it.

And then you have those who make both claims- because of course they want to argue that a) Lincoln did nothing to free any slaves- and it was illegal for him to to it!

OKT's trying to use weasel words to first have it both ways, and then deny he wanted to have it the way that got busted.

It's a popular sport here. Where nobody ever wins.

I noticed you ran away with no rebuttal, did you run out of spin?

Ever hear the expression "You can't fix Stupid"?

Yeah, but I'm not interested in talking about you.


.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

It isn’t about states rights. It’s about 1:4 of the country hating the fact that blacks, gays, women etc have to be treated equally under federal law.

They’ve just crawled out from the woodwork since donald taking the White House

Oh look, the fake lawyer crawled out of the sewer to spew her racist lies.

Shouldn't you be off aiding Hamas in their attacks on Israel, like a good democrat?

Being that you're a lawyer and all perhaps you can offer a legal opinion of when the 14th amendment (oh look it up, retard) was passed and ratified?

Blacks have had to be treated equally for a long time, though you vile scum democrats wouldn't do it.

Republicans secured equal rights for women in the 1920's, overcoming the vicious opposition of you hate filled democrats.....

 

[Pogo]

if you think the confederacy was just protecting the economic interests of a few your ignorant to what the people of the confederacy stated they wanted. Slavery represented the white superiority to them and they wanted to fight for it.

It really was the interests of a few --- the rich fat lazy aristocratic Chivalry class that vast swaths of the common and not-wealthy people looked down on and despised. That's why there were rampant desertions, draft-dodging, bushwackers, and pockets of Union-loyal areas that either wanted nothing to do with war or actively opposed the Confederacy, well within the South, such as the Free State of Jones in Mississippi, the Republic of Winston in Alabama and Searcy in Arkansas. It's also what created West Virginia out of Virginia when that area seceded from its state. East Tennessee tried to do the same thing but was prevented by Confederate troops. When historians describe the War as "brother against brother", that's what that phrase means. It wasn't just a war of North vs. South -- it was a war of classes and cultures within the South at the same time. And as always -- it hit the poorer ones the hardest... as they knew it would, which is why they opposed it.

The South's Inner Civil War

 

[Markle]

Hardly, nothing has changed? All those dixiecrats turned republic voters when that party promised to keep their white privilege.

Additionally, if you think the confederacy was just protecting the economic interests of a few your ignorant to what the people of the confederacy stated they wanted. Slavery represented the white superiority to them and they wanted to fight for it.

Yep, sure did! LOL!

 

[otto105]

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Hardly, nothing has changed?

Hardly anything has changed, you ignorant sot.

All those dixiecrats turned republic voters when that party promised to keep their white privilege.

Herpaderpaderpityderp derp derp.

So "All those dixiecrats turned republic" did they, stupid ****?

You mean like Orval Faubus? Albert Gore, George Wallace, Bull Conner, et al.?



Hey, you're a democrat, a Stalinist. This means that you're stupid, and have no ethics.

Additionally, if you think the confederacy was just protecting the economic interests of a few your ignorant to what the people of the confederacy stated they wanted. Slavery represented the white superiority to them and they wanted to fight for it.

Izzatrite?

So fucktard, what do you figure, 99% of whites owned slaves in the Antebellum South? The average white devil had what,. a dozen slaves to wait on him?

Serious question, did you successfully complete third grade?

I know that even a third grade child would know that romanticizing slavery is wrong.

They also probably have more reading comprehension that you too. I didn't figure anything about the percentage of slave owning whites in the Antebellum south, but rather stated that they wanted to maintain a system of white superiority.

 

[Pogo]

Ever hear the expression "You can't fix Stupid"?

No one want's to fix you Slugo, we just expose you as the fraud you are.

"No one want is to fix you". A purported human being wrote that.
Yep Can't fix Stupid.


Pogo predicts: next he'll post something like "you are and [sic] ignorant Stalinist"

Orange County schoolin'. It just ain't been the same since the Klan took over Anaheim.

 

[MaryL]

Yes they do, after all ya know, Lincoln was a republican. So are the old school conservatives LIBERALS? Liberals want to enslave poor Mexicans as neoslaves and create bastions of sanctuary against laws for people that never existed before . Only in America can anyone abuse illegal aliens and defend them at the same time, then claim that as a saving grace.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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I know that even a third grade child would know that romanticizing slavery is wrong.

Wow, that's deep cleetus - since someone was romanticizing slavery and all..

They also probably have more reading comprehension that you too. I didn't figure anything about the percentage of slave owning whites in the Antebellum south, but rather stated that they wanted to maintain a system of white superiority.

Who is "they, " shit fer brains?

Fact is you are and ignorant Stalinist spewing out moronic talking points with literally zero understanding of the subject at hand.

Secession was instituted without the consent of the governed, Have a grown up explain what that means, cleetus.

An extremely small ruling caste pushed secession, the monied gentry.

Once a shooting war broke out, commoners had little choice but to fight to protect their homes and families.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Ever hear the expression "You can't fix Stupid"?

No one want's to fix you Slugo, we just expose you as the fraud you are.

"No one want is to fix you". A purported human being wrote that.
Yep Can't fix Stupid.

As you failed to grasp the first time Stupid, no one is trying to "fix you."

Seriously, you are a prime example of how it isn't that the left knows nothing, it's that what you "know" is a complete fabrication with no relation to actual fact.

 

[Pogo]

Ever hear the expression "You can't fix Stupid"?

No one want's to fix you Slugo, we just expose you as the fraud you are.

"No one want is to fix you". A purported human being wrote that.
Yep Can't fix Stupid.

Pogo predicts: next he'll post something like "you are and [sic] ignorant Stalinist"

Orange County schoolin'. It just ain't been the same since the Klan took over Anaheim.

As you failed to grasp the first time Stupid, no one is trying to "fix you."

Seriously, you are a prime example of how it isn't that the left knows nothing, it's that what you "know" is a complete fabrication with no relation to actual fact.

Then it's ironic how you just posted a paraphrasing of what you just learned from my post 1007 innit.

Dumbass.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Ever hear the expression "You can't fix Stupid"?

No one want's to fix you Slugo, we just expose you as the fraud you are.

"No one want is to fix you". A purported human being wrote that.
Yep Can't fix Stupid.

Pogo predicts: next he'll post something like "you are and [sic] ignorant Stalinist"

Orange County schoolin'. It just ain't been the same since the Klan took over Anaheim.

As you failed to grasp the first time Stupid, no one is trying to "fix you."

Seriously, you are a prime example of how it isn't that the left knows nothing, it's that what you "know" is a complete fabrication with no relation to actual fact.

Then it's ironic how you just posted a paraphrasing of what you just learned from my post 1007 innit.

Dumbass.

Oh? I "reposted it" a couple of pages before you, dumbfuck?

Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery



Ah slugo, you're just too precious.

 

[Syriusly]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

Oh you mean the democrat war to kill their fellow countrymen rather than give up their slaves, right?

The Confederacy had no political parties, Frankie. They kicked 'em out. Deliberately.

The Civil War and what led up to it was only about "states rights" insofar as the doctrine of "popular sovereignty" ---- leaving the decision of whether to allow slavery in newly-admitted states --- was the position of the Stephen Douglas wing of the Democratic Party (and others) in the1850s. By the time Douglas was nominated as a Presidential candidate in 1860, the South completely shut him out. But by the time of secession following that election, all of the Confederate states cited slavery specifically as their basis.

Nor was political party affiliation ever any kind of requirement to own slaves. Slaveowners were Federalists, Democratic-Republicans, Whigs, Know Nothings, Democrats, Constitutional Unionists and Those With No Party At All.

Oh and that Lincoln guy? Took a Democrat for a running mate and called it the "National Union Party". That was to garner Democratic voters in what was left of the country -- the part that still had political parties.

Prove any of that inaccurate.

You must be one of the Conservatives the OP was railing against

Slugo is just a liar.

The Confederacy was 100% democrat. There was no need for parties as the ONLY party allowed were the democrats..

About time USMB's resident contard liar showed up- hi Uncensored!

As is usual- Censy is just lying....again.

There was no 'party allowed'- as the Confederates didn't want political parties.

Who was the Democratic Party?

Well founded by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison- so no wonder Conservatives despise the Democratic Party...
Civil War-Era Political Parties of the North Vs. the South | Synonym
Political Parties in the Confederacy
There were no recognized political parties in the Confederate States of America. Most Southerners, including Confederate President Jefferson Davis, opposed political parties, considering them to be a corruption of the principles of republican government. However, many of the members of the Confederate Congress were former Southern Democrats. A few had been Constitutional Unionists or Whigs. While there were no political parties, per se, Confederate politicians often divided over the issue of whether to have a strong central government. Nationalists, including Jefferson Davis, favored giving the Confederate government broad powers, especially in war time. Libertarians, led by Alexander Stephens, favored a very limited confederate government, reserving most powers -- including most war powers -- to the individual states.

 

[Syriusly]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

Oh you mean the democrat war to kill their fellow countrymen rather than give up their slaves, right?

The Confederacy had no political parties, Frankie. They kicked 'em out. Deliberately.

The Civil War and what led up to it was only about "states rights" insofar as the doctrine of "popular sovereignty" ---- leaving the decision of whether to allow slavery in newly-admitted states --- was the position of the Stephen Douglas wing of the Democratic Party (and others) in the1850s. By the time Douglas was nominated as a Presidential candidate in 1860, the South completely shut him out. But by the time of secession following that election, all of the Confederate states cited slavery specifically as their basis.

Nor was political party affiliation ever any kind of requirement to own slaves. Slaveowners were Federalists, Democratic-Republicans, Whigs, Know Nothings, Democrats, Constitutional Unionists and Those With No Party At All.

Oh and that Lincoln guy? Took a Democrat for a running mate and called it the "National Union Party". That was to garner Democratic voters in what was left of the country -- the part that still had political parties.

Prove any of that inaccurate.

You must be one of the Conservatives the OP was railing against

Remember, the Confederacy was a big government oligarchy which used the power of the state to oppress 90% of the population, white and black. The entire system was run for the benefit of a handful of Silicone Valley billionaires. Oh wait, that's now - it was Plantation Owners back then - no real difference though. Both were masters of their universe.

Fascinating- so to Censy- there is no difference between plantations and Silicon Valley.

Such is how the modern Conservatives have sunk in their historical illiteracy.

 

[Syriusly]

620,000 did die in a war over slavery

620,000 died in the LAST civil war you democrat ***** started. How many will die in this current one you foul vermin started?

What current Civil War are you imagining?

I would have thought the 620,000 who died in the last Civil War you Conservative ***** started would have been enough for you.

 

[Syriusly]

And we all know that politicians never lie.

I'm just saying, Lincoln was a white supremacist.

I am just wondering why you feel it is important to say that.

Since virtually all white Americans of the era were White Supremacists.

 

[Syriusly]

Ever hear the expression "You can't fix Stupid"?

No one want's to fix you Slugo, we just expose you as the fraud you are.

LOL- ah the irony of Censy calling someone else a fraud.....