MILITIAS - The CONSTITUTIONAL means of dealing with government tyranny and over reach

[Ben Thomson]

Like it or not...America was founded on principles of God Given Human Rights and the control of government power.
While you may not believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Unfortunately, many do not believe in God. And some very wealthy and powerful people believe that neither God nor the Constitution will stand
in the way of their claim to power and control. As these claim a larger share and revoke more rights, the Constitutional answer is Militias.

But are we at a point where their rise and use is justified?

Are Militias the ONLY way to stop the over step of power and the dilution of Constitutional Rights?

Or.......

Should America simply allow the dilution and over step to continue until it is understood that the Constitution is meaningless and that those who grabbed power illegally are entitled to it?

Americans have suffered a countless barrage of Constitutional breaches and the incursions seem to be on the rise.
These affect not only Republicans, but democrats as well.

The Patriot Act for example give the government unConstitutional Powers over basic Rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Illegal Search and seizures and Warrantless searches have become widely accepted.

We are in fact losing our rights. Next up will be the Biden Administrations self proclaimed "duty" to make America "safe" by making
gun ownership very difficult if not impossible.

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?

Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

They have no place, because this is not the 1700s anymore. Militias have been replaced by ballot boxes in civilized countries.

The vote has been compromised . What options are left when your vote does not count ?

You vote does count.

 

[progressive hunter]

Losing an election is not government tyranny and overreach.

its not about losing an election,,

 

[busybee01]

Like it or not...America was founded on principles of God Given Human Rights and the control of government power.
While you may not believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Unfortunately, many do not believe in God. And some very wealthy and powerful people believe that neither God nor the Constitution will stand
in the way of their claim to power and control. As these claim a larger share and revoke more rights, the Constitutional answer is Militias.

But are we at a point where their rise and use is justified?

Are Militias the ONLY way to stop the over step of power and the dilution of Constitutional Rights?

Or.......

Should America simply allow the dilution and over step to continue until it is understood that the Constitution is meaningless and that those who grabbed power illegally are entitled to it?

Americans have suffered a countless barrage of Constitutional breaches and the incursions seem to be on the rise.
These affect not only Republicans, but democrats as well.

The Patriot Act for example give the government unConstitutional Powers over basic Rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Illegal Search and seizures and Warrantless searches have become widely accepted.

We are in fact losing our rights. Next up will be the Biden Administrations self proclaimed "duty" to make America "safe" by making
gun ownership very difficult if not impossible.

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?

Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

Militias are the greatest threat to our country today. They have declared war on this country. We have the attack against the heart of our government. Earlier they tried to kidnap the Michigan Governor. Last month they tried to break into the Oregon legislature when a Republican left thde door open so they could get in. They sprayed the police with a chemical. This is not helping the country. This is a attack.

You say the Patriot act is a violation of the Constitution, I say it is not. It should be decided by voters not armed thugs.

 

[progressive hunter]

Easy - Militias have no place in the modern world.

said every tyrant ever,,,

 

[Lesh]

Losing an election is not government tyranny and overreach.

But the OP is advocating violence.

Is that where USMB wants to be?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Losing an election is not government tyranny and overreach.

its not about losing an election,,

Of course it is

 

[busybee01]

The Patriot act was indeed a totalitarian move by the conservative right wing republican lead and controlled administration o f George W Bush.

Bullshit. It was needed to stop Islamic terrorists. Now it is needed to stop these Nazi militias.

 

[progressive hunter]

Losing an election is not government tyranny and overreach.

its not about losing an election,,

Of course it is

not for most of the people,, this has been building for yrs against both parties,,

 

[colfax_m]

Easy - Militias have no place in the modern world.

What you are saying then....is that the people should have no recourse to government tyranny.

I could understand a Chinese person saying this.

What we are saying is that your recourse is a nonviolent one. Elections.

 

[Lesh]

Like it or not...America was founded on principles of God Given Human Rights and the control of government power.
While you may not believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Unfortunately, many do not believe in God. And some very wealthy and powerful people believe that neither God nor the Constitution will stand
in the way of their claim to power and control. As these claim a larger share and revoke more rights, the Constitutional answer is Militias.

But are we at a point where their rise and use is justified?

Are Militias the ONLY way to stop the over step of power and the dilution of Constitutional Rights?

Or.......

Should America simply allow the dilution and over step to continue until it is understood that the Constitution is meaningless and that those who grabbed power illegally are entitled to it?

Americans have suffered a countless barrage of Constitutional breaches and the incursions seem to be on the rise.
These affect not only Republicans, but democrats as well.

The Patriot Act for example give the government unConstitutional Powers over basic Rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Illegal Search and seizures and Warrantless searches have become widely accepted.

We are in fact losing our rights. Next up will be the Biden Administrations self proclaimed "duty" to make America "safe" by making
gun ownership very difficult if not impossible.

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?

Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

There's nothing REGULATED about these militias.

They are nothing but domestic terrorists

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

People like him say the 2nd Amendment only applied to muskets.
Yet they enjoy free speech as outlined inthe 1st Amendment and regualrly u

Like it or not...America was founded on principles of God Given Human Rights and the control of government power.
While you may not believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Unfortunately, many do not believe in God. And some very wealthy and powerful people believe that neither God nor the Constitution will stand
in the way of their claim to power and control. As these claim a larger share and revoke more rights, the Constitutional answer is Militias.

But are we at a point where their rise and use is justified?

Are Militias the ONLY way to stop the over step of power and the dilution of Constitutional Rights?

Or.......

Should America simply allow the dilution and over step to continue until it is understood that the Constitution is meaningless and that those who grabbed power illegally are entitled to it?

Americans have suffered a countless barrage of Constitutional breaches and the incursions seem to be on the rise.
These affect not only Republicans, but democrats as well.

The Patriot Act for example give the government unConstitutional Powers over basic Rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Illegal Search and seizures and Warrantless searches have become widely accepted.

We are in fact losing our rights. Next up will be the Biden Administrations self proclaimed "duty" to make America "safe" by making
gun ownership very difficult if not impossible.

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?

Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

Militias are the greatest threat to our country today. They have declared war on this country. We have the attack against the heart of our government. Earlier they tried to kidnap the Michigan Governor. Last month they tried to break into the Oregon legislature when a Republican left thde door open so they could get in. They sprayed the police with a chemical. This is not helping the country. This is a attack.

You say the Patriot act is a violation of the Constitution, I say it is not. It should be decided by voters not armed thugs.

The incredible shortsightedness of that is that you assume that only leaders friendly to YOUR desires and lifestyle could ever gain power.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

What we are saying is that your recourse is a nonviolent one. Elections.

Then why didn't the Original Colonists simply VOTE to be Independent of Great Britain ???

If they had voted, then surely England would have respected that vote according to you?

 

[White 6]

The Patriot act was indeed a totalitarian move by the conservative right wing republican lead and controlled administration o f George W Bush.

You are confused.

George Bush (BOTH of them) wee Globalists first and foremost.
They were/are Elitist members.

They are by no means true Republicans but rather opportunists.

Sad that you cannot determine that on your own.

I did not approve of George W or the Patriot Act, but didn't vote for him either. Did you, maybe just because he had an "R" in front of his name? Patriot act is still with us. I am independent. Which one of us was fooled, unable to determine? Sad.

 

[Lesh]

Let's not forget the plot to "take" the Michigan state house and kill the Governor of that state

THAT was a "militia" action as well

 

[progressive hunter]

Easy - Militias have no place in the modern world.

What you are saying then....is that the people should have no recourse to government tyranny.

I could understand a Chinese person saying this.

What we are saying is that your recourse is a nonviolent one. Elections.

the elections have been fixed for over a century,,

 

[Lesh]

not for most of the people,, this has been building for yrs against both parties,,

It's been "building"IN the Republican party...since Palin

 

[progressive hunter]

not for most of the people,, this has been building for yrs against both parties,,

It's been "building"IN the Republican party...since Palin

thats your delusion not mine,,

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Like it or not...America was founded on principles of God Given Human Rights and the control of government power.
While you may not believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Unfortunately, many do not believe in God. And some very wealthy and powerful people believe that neither God nor the Constitution will stand
in the way of their claim to power and control. As these claim a larger share and revoke more rights, the Constitutional answer is Militias.

But are we at a point where their rise and use is justified?

Are Militias the ONLY way to stop the over step of power and the dilution of Constitutional Rights?

Or.......

Should America simply allow the dilution and over step to continue until it is understood that the Constitution is meaningless and that those who grabbed power illegally are entitled to it?

Americans have suffered a countless barrage of Constitutional breaches and the incursions seem to be on the rise.
These affect not only Republicans, but democrats as well.

The Patriot Act for example give the government unConstitutional Powers over basic Rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Illegal Search and seizures and Warrantless searches have become widely accepted.

We are in fact losing our rights. Next up will be the Biden Administrations self proclaimed "duty" to make America "safe" by making
gun ownership very difficult if not impossible.

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?

Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

There's nothing REGULATED about these militias.

They are nothing but domestic terrorists

I can see I should have posed this in the Structured Debate arena and excluded people like you who have absolutely nothing to add.

 

[Papageorgio]

Like it or not...America was founded on principles of God Given Human Rights and the control of government power.
While you may not believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Unfortunately, many do not believe in God. And some very wealthy and powerful people believe that neither God nor the Constitution will stand
in the way of their claim to power and control. As these claim a larger share and revoke more rights, the Constitutional answer is Militias.

But are we at a point where their rise and use is justified?

Are Militias the ONLY way to stop the over step of power and the dilution of Constitutional Rights?

Or.......

Should America simply allow the dilution and over step to continue until it is understood that the Constitution is meaningless and that those who grabbed power illegally are entitled to it?

Americans have suffered a countless barrage of Constitutional breaches and the incursions seem to be on the rise.
These affect not only Republicans, but democrats as well.

The Patriot Act for example give the government unConstitutional Powers over basic Rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Illegal Search and seizures and Warrantless searches have become widely accepted.

We are in fact losing our rights. Next up will be the Biden Administrations self proclaimed "duty" to make America "safe" by making
gun ownership very difficult if not impossible.

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?

Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

They have no place, because this is not the 1700s anymore. Militias have been replaced by ballot boxes in civilized countries.

We had ballot boxes since the country started, the Constitution talked elections, so they wrote about militias and voting in the same document. If the constitution spoke of militias now and they will be replaced by ballot boxes, you would have a point. Maybe you can clarify.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Easy - Militias have no place in the modern world.

What you are saying then....is that the people should have no recourse to government tyranny.

I could understand a Chinese person saying this.

What we are saying is that your recourse is a nonviolent one. Elections.

Half or more of the nation believes the election was fraudulent

As such, militias are gaining membership and strength rapidly.