MILITIAS - The CONSTITUTIONAL means of dealing with government tyranny and over reach

[ReinyDays]

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?
Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

The 2nd Amendment guaranties that each State can maintain their own military force separate from any Federal oversight ... c.f. Maryland Defense Force ... thus the language "A well regulated Militia ..."

No ... not Bubba and his drinking buddies with shotguns ... it's a State government operation meant to control Federal overreach ... uniforms, training, discipline, regulations; all the trappings of a military operation; including civilian oversight by the Governor's office ... our Founding Fathers thought this was an important safe-guard to our personal liberties ... as well as the difficulties co-ordinating actions between Georgia and New York in the late 18th Century ...

My understanding is most State Militias are moribund today ... they exist only on paper and have no funding ... doesn't seem our large and extensive active duty military elements get involved in the politics of the day ... at most, the military provides support to the Border Guard, but as far as I know are not active in collecting illegal bordercrossers ...

You'll have to get your cowardly ass out from behind your computer screen and start shooting people yourself is you want a Civil War ...

 

[progressive hunter]

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?
Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

The 2nd Amendment guaranties that each State can maintain their own military force separate from any Federal oversight ... c.f. Maryland Defense Force ... thus the language "A well regulated Militia ..."

No ... not Bubba and his drinking buddies with shotguns ... it's a State government operation meant to control Federal overreach ... uniforms, training, discipline, regulations; all the trappings of a military operation; including civilian oversight by the Governor's office ... our Founding Fathers thought this was an important safe-guard to our personal liberties ... as well as the difficulties co-ordinating actions between Georgia and New York in the late 18th Century ...

My understanding is most State Militias are moribund today ... they exist only on paper and have no funding ... doesn't seem our large and extensive active duty military elements get involved in the politics of the day ... at most, the military provides support to the Border Guard, but as far as I know are not active in collecting illegal bordercrossers ...

You'll have to get your cowardly ass out from behind your computer screen and start shooting people yourself is you want a Civil War ...

got a link???

 

[ReinyDays]

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?
Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

The 2nd Amendment guaranties that each State can maintain their own military force separate from any Federal oversight ... c.f. Maryland Defense Force ... thus the language "A well regulated Militia ..."

No ... not Bubba and his drinking buddies with shotguns ... it's a State government operation meant to control Federal overreach ... uniforms, training, discipline, regulations; all the trappings of a military operation; including civilian oversight by the Governor's office ... our Founding Fathers thought this was an important safe-guard to our personal liberties ... as well as the difficulties co-ordinating actions between Georgia and New York in the late 18th Century ...

My understanding is most State Militias are moribund today ... they exist only on paper and have no funding ... doesn't seem our large and extensive active duty military elements get involved in the politics of the day ... at most, the military provides support to the Border Guard, but as far as I know are not active in collecting illegal bordercrossers ...

You'll have to get your cowardly ass out from behind your computer screen and start shooting people yourself is you want a Civil War ...

got a link???

In my post ... Bubba, maybe try going back and finish Middle School ...

 

[AMart]

The Patriot act was indeed a totalitarian move by the conservative right wing republican lead and controlled administration o f George W Bush.

You are confused.

George Bush (BOTH of them) wee Globalists first and foremost.
They were/are Elitist members.

They are by no means true Republicans but rather opportunists.

Sad that you cannot determine that on your own.

This

 

[Crepitus]

believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Not really. A big part of the reason for the US to even exist is freedom from state sponsored religion.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?
Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

The 2nd Amendment guaranties that each State can maintain their own military force separate from any Federal oversight ... c.f. Maryland Defense Force ... thus the language "A well regulated Militia ..."

No ... not Bubba and his drinking buddies with shotguns ... it's a State government operation meant to control Federal overreach ... uniforms, training, discipline, regulations; all the trappings of a military operation; including civilian oversight by the Governor's office ... our Founding Fathers thought this was an important safe-guard to our personal liberties ... as well as the difficulties co-ordinating actions between Georgia and New York in the late 18th Century ...

My understanding is most State Militias are moribund today ... they exist only on paper and have no funding ... doesn't seem our large and extensive active duty military elements get involved in the politics of the day ... at most, the military provides support to the Border Guard, but as far as I know are not active in collecting illegal bordercrossers ...

You'll have to get your cowardly ass out from behind your computer screen and start shooting people yourself is you want a Civil War ...

I can blow your entire silly argument out of the water so easily.......

"THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"

 

[jc456]

Losing an election is not government tyranny and overreach.

It is if there was interference, right? Remember Russia Russia? How can you say that

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Not really. A big part of the reason for the US to even exist is freedom from state sponsored religion.

Still, belief in God was preeminent and pervasive.

You may hear differently if you trust in Atheists.....but America was SOLIDLY founded on a strong belief in God.

That is FACT.

 

[AMart]

believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Not really. A big part of the reason for the US to even exist is freedom from state sponsored religion.

Wrong again.

Religious Affiliation # of signers % of signers Episcopalian/Anglican 32​ 57.1%​ Congregationalist 13​ 23.2%​ Presbyterian 12​ 21.4%​ Quaker 2​ 3.6%​ Unitarian or Universalist 2​ 3.6%​ Catholic 1​ 1.8%​ TOTAL 56​ 100%​

Name of Signer	State	Religious Affiliation
Charles Carroll	Maryland	Catholic
Samuel Huntington	Connecticut	Congregationalist
Roger Sherman	Connecticut	Congregationalist
William Williams	Connecticut	Congregationalist
Oliver Wolcott	Connecticut	Congregationalist
Lyman Hall	Georgia	Congregationalist
Samuel Adams	Massachusetts	Congregationalist
John Hancock	Massachusetts	Congregationalist
Josiah Bartlett	New Hampshire	Congregationalist
William Whipple	New Hampshire	Congregationalist
William Ellery	Rhode Island	Congregationalist
John Adams	Massachusetts	Congregationalist; Unitarian
Robert Treat Paine	Massachusetts	Congregationalist; Unitarian
George Walton	Georgia	Episcopalian
John Penn	North Carolina	Episcopalian
George Ross	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian
Thomas Heyward Jr.	South Carolina	Episcopalian
Thomas Lynch Jr.	South Carolina	Episcopalian
Arthur Middleton	South Carolina	Episcopalian
Edward Rutledge	South Carolina	Episcopalian
Francis Lightfoot Lee	Virginia	Episcopalian
Richard Henry Lee	Virginia	Episcopalian
George Read	Delaware	Episcopalian
Caesar Rodney	Delaware	Episcopalian
Samuel Chase	Maryland	Episcopalian
William Paca	Maryland	Episcopalian
Thomas Stone	Maryland	Episcopalian
Elbridge Gerry	Massachusetts	Episcopalian
Francis Hopkinson	New Jersey	Episcopalian
Francis Lewis	New York	Episcopalian
Lewis Morris	New York	Episcopalian
William Hooper	North Carolina	Episcopalian
Robert Morris	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian
John Morton	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian
Stephen Hopkins	Rhode Island	Episcopalian
Carter Braxton	Virginia	Episcopalian
Benjamin Harrison	Virginia	Episcopalian
Thomas Nelson Jr.	Virginia	Episcopalian
George Wythe	Virginia	Episcopalian
Thomas Jefferson	Virginia	Episcopalian (Deist)
Benjamin Franklin	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian (Deist)
Button Gwinnett	Georgia	Episcopalian; Congregationalist
James Wilson	Pennsylvania	Episcopalian; Presbyterian
Joseph Hewes	North Carolina	Quaker, Episcopalian
George Clymer	Pennsylvania	Quaker, Episcopalian
Thomas McKean	Delaware	Presbyterian
Matthew Thornton	New Hampshire	Presbyterian
Abraham Clark	New Jersey	Presbyterian
John Hart	New Jersey	Presbyterian
Richard Stockton	New Jersey	Presbyterian
John Witherspoon	New Jersey	Presbyterian
William Floyd	New York	Presbyterian
Philip Livingston	New York	Presbyterian
James Smith	Pennsylvania	Presbyterian
George Taylor	Pennsylvania	Presbyterian
Benjamin Rush	Pennsylvania	Presbyterian

 

[Concerned American]

believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Not really. A big part of the reason for the US to even exist is freedom from state sponsored religion.

Still, belief in God was preeminent and pervasive.

You may hear differently if you trust in Atheists.....but America was SOLIDLY founded on a strong belief in God.

That is FACT.

believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Not really. A big part of the reason for the US to even exist is freedom from state sponsored religion.

I believe it is freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion. The exact words are "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." Indeed, there are references to God throughout all of our national documents as well as our money.

 

[Lesh]

The 2nd Amendment guaranties that each State can maintain their own military force separate from any Federal oversight

Who told you that stupid shit?

Article 2 Section 8 of the Constitution says just the opposite.

My God you people are stupid

 

[ReinyDays]

I can blow your entire silly argument out of the water so easily.......

"THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"

Bubba didn't make it through Middle School ... never learned "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." ...

Both are true ... how long have you been an alcoholic? ... that stuff it rotting your brain ... commas have meaning, dipshit ...

 

[itfitzme]

Like it or not...America was founded on principles of God Given Human Rights and the control of government power.
While you may not believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Unfortunately, many do not believe in God. And some very wealthy and powerful people believe that neither God nor the Constitution will stand
in the way of their claim to power and control. As these claim a larger share and revoke more rights, the Constitutional answer is Militias.

But are we at a point where their rise and use is justified?

Are Militias the ONLY way to stop the over step of power and the dilution of Constitutional Rights?

Or.......

Should America simply allow the dilution and over step to continue until it is understood that the Constitution is meaningless and that those who grabbed power illegally are entitled to it?

Americans have suffered a countless barrage of Constitutional breaches and the incursions seem to be on the rise.
These affect not only Republicans, but democrats as well.

The Patriot Act for example give the government unConstitutional Powers over basic Rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Illegal Search and seizures and Warrantless searches have become widely accepted.

We are in fact losing our rights. Next up will be the Biden Administrations self proclaimed "duty" to make America "safe" by making
gun ownership very difficult if not impossible.

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?

Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

Right. The Founders created "A more perfect union.." then expected it to be overthrown by force.

Sure, that makes sense.

 

[ReinyDays]

The 2nd Amendment guaranties that each State can maintain their own military force separate from any Federal oversight

Who told you that stupid shit?
Article 2 Section 8 of the Constitution says just the opposite.
My God you people are stupid

Bubba didn't make it through Middle school ... there's only four sections in Article II of the US Constitution ... you're getting bogus information from your Russian handlers ...

 

[jc456]

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?
Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

The 2nd Amendment guaranties that each State can maintain their own military force separate from any Federal oversight ... c.f. Maryland Defense Force ... thus the language "A well regulated Militia ..."

No ... not Bubba and his drinking buddies with shotguns ... it's a State government operation meant to control Federal overreach ... uniforms, training, discipline, regulations; all the trappings of a military operation; including civilian oversight by the Governor's office ... our Founding Fathers thought this was an important safe-guard to our personal liberties ... as well as the difficulties co-ordinating actions between Georgia and New York in the late 18th Century ...

My understanding is most State Militias are moribund today ... they exist only on paper and have no funding ... doesn't seem our large and extensive active duty military elements get involved in the politics of the day ... at most, the military provides support to the Border Guard, but as far as I know are not active in collecting illegal bordercrossers ...

You'll have to get your cowardly ass out from behind your computer screen and start shooting people yourself is you want a Civil War ...

Sure it is, bubba and his buddies are a militia

 

[Dragonlady]

Like it or not...America was founded on principles of God Given Human Rights and the control of government power.
While you may not believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Unfortunately, many do not believe in God. And some very wealthy and powerful people believe that neither God nor the Constitution will stand
in the way of their claim to power and control. As these claim a larger share and revoke more rights, the Constitutional answer is Militias.

But are we at a point where their rise and use is justified?

Are Militias the ONLY way to stop the over step of power and the dilution of Constitutional Rights?

Or.......

Should America simply allow the dilution and over step to continue until it is understood that the Constitution is meaningless and that those who grabbed power illegally are entitled to it?

Americans have suffered a countless barrage of Constitutional breaches and the incursions seem to be on the rise.
These affect not only Republicans, but democrats as well.

The Patriot Act for example give the government unConstitutional Powers over basic Rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Illegal Search and seizures and Warrantless searches have become widely accepted.

We are in fact losing our rights. Next up will be the Biden Administrations self proclaimed "duty" to make America "safe" by making
gun ownership very difficult if not impossible.

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?

Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

Exactly what do you mean by "militias"" A militia is a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency. That means that militias are called and controlled by US army.

Bluntly states the people currently calling themselves "militias" are in fact, armed white thugs wearing cammo and para-military gear. They are not "militias". They have no function or role at all.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Like it or not...America was founded on principles of God Given Human Rights and the control of government power.
While you may not believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Unfortunately, many do not believe in God. And some very wealthy and powerful people believe that neither God nor the Constitution will stand
in the way of their claim to power and control. As these claim a larger share and revoke more rights, the Constitutional answer is Militias.

But are we at a point where their rise and use is justified?

Are Militias the ONLY way to stop the over step of power and the dilution of Constitutional Rights?

Or.......

Should America simply allow the dilution and over step to continue until it is understood that the Constitution is meaningless and that those who grabbed power illegally are entitled to it?

Americans have suffered a countless barrage of Constitutional breaches and the incursions seem to be on the rise.
These affect not only Republicans, but democrats as well.

The Patriot Act for example give the government unConstitutional Powers over basic Rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Illegal Search and seizures and Warrantless searches have become widely accepted.

We are in fact losing our rights. Next up will be the Biden Administrations self proclaimed "duty" to make America "safe" by making
gun ownership very difficult if not impossible.

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?

Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

Right. The Founders created "A more perfect union.." then expected it to be overthrown by force.

Sure, that makes sense.

You missed the most significant part......

They knew evil men would try again to pervert freedom and enslave others, so they provided a fail safe....the 2nd Amendment

Which is PRECISELY why Biden on behalf of the Establishment will go to great lengths to disarm Americans in the coming years.
They are the de facto purveyors of the oppression mentioned.
If Americans comply and submit, their oppression is guaranteed.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Like it or not...America was founded on principles of God Given Human Rights and the control of government power.
While you may not believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Unfortunately, many do not believe in God. And some very wealthy and powerful people believe that neither God nor the Constitution will stand
in the way of their claim to power and control. As these claim a larger share and revoke more rights, the Constitutional answer is Militias.

But are we at a point where their rise and use is justified?

Are Militias the ONLY way to stop the over step of power and the dilution of Constitutional Rights?

Or.......

Should America simply allow the dilution and over step to continue until it is understood that the Constitution is meaningless and that those who grabbed power illegally are entitled to it?

Americans have suffered a countless barrage of Constitutional breaches and the incursions seem to be on the rise.
These affect not only Republicans, but democrats as well.

The Patriot Act for example give the government unConstitutional Powers over basic Rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Illegal Search and seizures and Warrantless searches have become widely accepted.

We are in fact losing our rights. Next up will be the Biden Administrations self proclaimed "duty" to make America "safe" by making
gun ownership very difficult if not impossible.

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?

Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

Exactly what do you mean by "militias"" A militia is a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency. That means that militias are called and controlled by US army.

Bluntly states the people currently calling themselves "militias" are in fact, armed white thugs wearing cammo and para-military gear. They are not "militias". They have no function or role at all.

What's more important is what the CONSTITUTION means and the INTENT of the 2nd Amendment.

If you lack an understanding of world history and the context of world events at the time, obviously you will be unable to understand the true intent and purpose of not only the Constitution, but also the 2nd Amendment.

The corrupt public education system has LONG indoctrinated young people to misinterpret the Constitution.

If you were an independent thinker, you would abandon your leftist ways.

 

[ReinyDays]

Bluntly states the people currently calling themselves "militias" are in fact, armed white thugs wearing cammo and para-military gear. They are not "militias". They have no function or role at all.

Paramilitaries ... just looking out for their best interests ... also called roving gangs of cold-blooded murderers ... profoundly not regulated ...

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Bluntly states the people currently calling themselves "militias" are in fact, armed white thugs wearing cammo and para-military gear. They are not "militias". They have no function or role at all.

Paramilitaries ... just looking out for their best interests ... also called roving gangs of cold-blooded murderers ... profoundly not regulated ...

This is a dismal perception.

MOST people joining militias are not thugs but patriots wanting to preserve America and preserve freedom.

Your perception plays well into the hands of tyrants. Just know for certain that after you have helped them gain their omnipotence, you will be
discarded along with the Billy Bobs you speak of.