MILITIAS - The CONSTITUTIONAL means of dealing with government tyranny and over reach

[Skylar]

Like it or not...America was founded on principles of God Given Human Rights and the control of government power.
While you may not believe in God, many do, and the Unted States of America was SOLIDLY founded on that belief.

Unfortunately, many do not believe in God. And some very wealthy and powerful people believe that neither God nor the Constitution will stand
in the way of their claim to power and control. As these claim a larger share and revoke more rights, the Constitutional answer is Militias.

But are we at a point where their rise and use is justified?

Are Militias the ONLY way to stop the over step of power and the dilution of Constitutional Rights?

Or.......

Should America simply allow the dilution and over step to continue until it is understood that the Constitution is meaningless and that those who grabbed power illegally are entitled to it?

Americans have suffered a countless barrage of Constitutional breaches and the incursions seem to be on the rise.
These affect not only Republicans, but democrats as well.

The Patriot Act for example give the government unConstitutional Powers over basic Rights enumerated in the Constitution.

Illegal Search and seizures and Warrantless searches have become widely accepted.

We are in fact losing our rights. Next up will be the Biden Administrations self proclaimed "duty" to make America "safe" by making
gun ownership very difficult if not impossible.

At what point are militias necessary to slow, stop or reverse these government grabs of power?

Or, are Militias simply outdated fantasies that have no place in the modern world?

So, the old Sovereign Citizen bullshit. Where anyone with a gun gets to decide what laws apply to them and what don't.

Ask Shay on what the Founders thought of that mindset.

Correct.

The idiocy of the thread premise is that without some sort of consensus, any armed insurrection would be unlawful, un-Constitutional, and treasonous.

Insurrectionist dogma also runs counter to our republican form of government; the people do not express their will directly, they do so via their elected representatives – that’s why the Constitution doesn’t authorize referenda or plebiscites.

Not only is insurrectionist dogma not supported by the Second Amendment, it’s not even supported by the most fundamental tenets of our representative government.

Its the same old sovereign citizen bullshit, with gun toting thugs insisting that if they call themselves the 'militia', that they magically get to decide what laws are valid and which aren't. And can kill people to enforce their singular legal authority.

That was not, nor ever has been, the intent of the founders. And has no place in their laws....or ours. The founders defined only one law in the Constitution: treason. And it was war against the United States by her citizens.

If you wage war against the United States, it doesn't matter if you call yourself a 'militia', you're a traitor to the United States per the Constitution of the United States.

With Washington PERSONALLY leading the armies that put down rebellions that thought otherwise.

 

[Borillar]

Constitution

Article II
Section 8


To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

And oh yea...there is the description of what a "well regulated militia" consists of

"Appointed Officers"

Trained

Armed

GOVERNED

Ordered

Diciplined

"As precribed by Congress"

and its currently the dems committing the insurrection,,,

Nope, we successfully, legally, and peacefully pursued change at the ballot box. We aren't the ones trying to overthrow the election via mob action.

whos trying to overthrow it??? all thats wanted is a proper audit for the contested issues,,,

Yeah, right. That's why thousands of wingnuts attacked the capitol, looking for congresscritters to kill and to hang Pence for doing his job. They just wanted an audit. You and I both know that the only outcome they would accept is a Trump "win", no matter what.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Militias will play a huge roll in the very near future..

How so?

I believe patriots are at the end of being spat upon by the filthy left and will have no choice but to take matters into they’re own hands....it’s time to step up or shut up.

Wrong.

They won’t be ‘patriots,’ like most on the reprehensible right they’ll be lawless thugs and criminals engaged in treason.

 

[progressive hunter]

Militias will play a huge roll in the very near future..

How so?

I believe patriots are at the end of being spat upon by the filthy left and will have no choice but to take matters into they’re own hands....it’s time to step up or shut up.

Wrong.

They won’t be ‘patriots,’ like most on the reprehensible right they’ll be lawless thugs and criminals engaged in treason.

why you hiding from me clayton???

 

[Lesh]

With Washington PERSONALLY leading the armies that put down rebellions that thought otherwise.

TWICE. And he used the "Well Regulated Militia" to do it

 

[Concerned American]

Constitution

Article II
Section 8


To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

And oh yea...there is the description of what a "well regulated militia" consists of

"Appointed Officers"

Trained

Armed

GOVERNED

Ordered

Diciplined

"As precribed by Congress"

and its currently the dems committing the insurrection,,,

Nope, we successfully, legally, and peacefully pursued change at the ballot box. We aren't the ones trying to overthrow the election via mob action.

whos trying to overthrow it??? all thats wanted is a proper audit for the contested issues,,,

Yeah, right. That's why thousands of wingnuts attacked the capitol, looking for congresscritters to kill and to hang Pence for doing his job. They just wanted an audit. You and I both know that the only outcome they would accept is a Trump "win", no matter what.

Where's your proof moron. Ever hear of a false flag?

 

[progressive hunter]

Constitution

Article II
Section 8


To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

And oh yea...there is the description of what a "well regulated militia" consists of

"Appointed Officers"

Trained

Armed

GOVERNED

Ordered

Diciplined

"As precribed by Congress"

and its currently the dems committing the insurrection,,,

Nope, we successfully, legally, and peacefully pursued change at the ballot box. We aren't the ones trying to overthrow the election via mob action.

whos trying to overthrow it??? all thats wanted is a proper audit for the contested issues,,,

Yeah, right. That's why thousands of wingnuts attacked the capitol, looking for congresscritters to kill and to hang Pence for doing his job. They just wanted an audit. You and I both know that the only outcome they would accept is a Trump "win", no matter what.

Where's your proof moron. Ever hear of a false flag?

didnt democrats invent false flags???

WW2, vietnam and cuba comes to mind,,,

 

[Borillar]

Constitution

Article II
Section 8


To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

And oh yea...there is the description of what a "well regulated militia" consists of

"Appointed Officers"

Trained

Armed

GOVERNED

Ordered

Diciplined

"As precribed by Congress"

and its currently the dems committing the insurrection,,,

Nope, we successfully, legally, and peacefully pursued change at the ballot box. We aren't the ones trying to overthrow the election via mob action.

whos trying to overthrow it??? all thats wanted is a proper audit for the contested issues,,,

Yeah, right. That's why thousands of wingnuts attacked the capitol, looking for congresscritters to kill and to hang Pence for doing his job. They just wanted an audit. You and I both know that the only outcome they would accept is a Trump "win", no matter what.

Where's your proof moron. Ever hear of a false flag?

Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

wrong wrong wrong,,, they are communist revolutionaries hell bent on take over and creating their own government,,,

WTF? BLM? ANTIFA?

Creating their own government?

You people are nucken futz!

What are you smokin dude?

I get that you hate tjem but that's not even remotely accurate. That's out there with the QAnon pedophile canibal thing

thats what they openly claim,,,

dont get mad at me,,,

Not only is there no evidence in support of the wrongheaded notion that citizens have the ‘right’ to ‘overthrow’ through force of arms a lawfully, constitutionally elected government reflecting the will of the people, but the Framers themselves would never authorize the destruction of the government they just created:

“It would be odd indeed if the Framers of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights had written an amendment designed to give individuals the right to liquidate the government they were setting up.”

Constitutional Myth #6: The Second Amendment Allows Citizens to Threaten Government

The "right to bear arms" is not a right to nullify any government measure a "sovereign citizen" finds irksome

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Lesh]

Constitution

Article II
Section 8


To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

And oh yea...there is the description of what a "well regulated militia" consists of

"Appointed Officers"

Trained

Armed

GOVERNED

Ordered

Diciplined

"As precribed by Congress"

and its currently the dems committing the insurrection,,,

Nope, we successfully, legally, and peacefully pursued change at the ballot box. We aren't the ones trying to overthrow the election via mob action.

whos trying to overthrow it??? all thats wanted is a proper audit for the contested issues,,,

Yeah, right. That's why thousands of wingnuts attacked the capitol, looking for congresscritters to kill and to hang Pence for doing his job. They just wanted an audit. You and I both know that the only outcome they would accept is a Trump "win", no matter what.

Where's your proof moron. Ever hear of a false flag?

didnt democrats invent false flags???

WW2, vietnam and cuba comes to mind,,,

WWII was a false flag???

Jesus dude

 

[progressive hunter]

wrong wrong wrong,,, they are communist revolutionaries hell bent on take over and creating their own government,,,

WTF? BLM? ANTIFA?

Creating their own government?

You people are nucken futz!

What are you smokin dude?

I get that you hate tjem but that's not even remotely accurate. That's out there with the QAnon pedophile canibal thing

thats what they openly claim,,,

dont get mad at me,,,

Not only is there no evidence in support of the wrongheaded notion that citizens have the ‘right’ to ‘overthrow’ through force of arms a lawfully, constitutionally elected government reflecting the will of the people, but the Framers themselves would never authorize the destruction of the government they just created:

“It would be odd indeed if the Framers of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights had written an amendment designed to give individuals the right to liquidate the government they were setting up.”

Constitutional Myth #6: The Second Amendment Allows Citizens to Threaten Government

The "right to bear arms" is not a right to nullify any government measure a "sovereign citizen" finds irksome

www.theatlantic.com

thats why the second A is specific and says " the security of a free state"

so if that freedom is threatened they dont have a right they have a responsibility to remove them,

I know its hard for you to understand but thats how it works,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Constitution

Article II
Section 8


To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

And oh yea...there is the description of what a "well regulated militia" consists of

"Appointed Officers"

Trained

Armed

GOVERNED

Ordered

Diciplined

"As precribed by Congress"

and its currently the dems committing the insurrection,,,

Nope, we successfully, legally, and peacefully pursued change at the ballot box. We aren't the ones trying to overthrow the election via mob action.

whos trying to overthrow it??? all thats wanted is a proper audit for the contested issues,,,

Yeah, right. That's why thousands of wingnuts attacked the capitol, looking for congresscritters to kill and to hang Pence for doing his job. They just wanted an audit. You and I both know that the only outcome they would accept is a Trump "win", no matter what.

Where's your proof moron. Ever hear of a false flag?

didnt democrats invent false flags???

WW2, vietnam and cuba comes to mind,,,

WWII was a false flag???

Jesus dude

only in so much is FDR knew the threat was real and allowed it to happen so he could take us to war,,,

 

[Never quit]

Militias will play a huge roll in the very near future..

How so?

I believe patriots are at the end of being spat upon by the filthy left and will have no choice but to take matters into they’re own hands....it’s time to step up or shut up.

Wrong.

They won’t be ‘patriots,’ like most on the reprehensible right they’ll be lawless thugs and criminals engaged in treason.

That remains to be seen.....one mans thug is another mans freedom fighter.

 

[Concerned American]

Constitution

Article II
Section 8


To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

And oh yea...there is the description of what a "well regulated militia" consists of

"Appointed Officers"

Trained

Armed

GOVERNED

Ordered

Diciplined

"As precribed by Congress"

and its currently the dems committing the insurrection,,,

Nope, we successfully, legally, and peacefully pursued change at the ballot box. We aren't the ones trying to overthrow the election via mob action.

whos trying to overthrow it??? all thats wanted is a proper audit for the contested issues,,,

Yeah, right. That's why thousands of wingnuts attacked the capitol, looking for congresscritters to kill and to hang Pence for doing his job. They just wanted an audit. You and I both know that the only outcome they would accept is a Trump "win", no matter what.

Where's your proof moron. Ever hear of a false flag?

Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

Proof, moron, you know that stuff that the democrats can't find when they make accusations.

 

[DukeU]

There's nothing REGULATED about these militias.

They are nothing but domestic terrorists

Do these militias have tanks and nukes? LOL

 

[Concerned American]

There's nothing REGULATED about these militias.

They are nothing but domestic terrorists

Do these militias have tanks and nukes? LOL

Neither did the Viet Cong nor the Taliban. LOL

 

[Lesh]

thats why the second A is specific and says " the security of a free state"

so if that freedom is threatened they dont have a right they have a responsibility to remove them,

I know its hard for you to understand but thats how it works,,,

Why does the Article 2 Section 8 say that the militia is there to put down Insurrections?

Why did George Washington TWICE use the militia to put down insurrections?

 

[Lesh]

in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
Learn to pronounce

noun

1. a violent uprising against an authority or government.

 

[progressive hunter]

thats why the second A is specific and says " the security of a free state"

so if that freedom is threatened they dont have a right they have a responsibility to remove them,

I know its hard for you to understand but thats how it works,,,

Why does the Article 2 Section 8 say that the militia is there to put down Insurrections?

Why did George Washington TWICE use the militia to put down insurrections?

when did I say different???

 

[DukeU]

in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
Learn to pronounce

noun

1. a violent uprising against an authority or government.