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Wrong.
The Covid 19 protocols in no manner ‘violate’ religious liberty or expression.
This has nothing to do with the First Amendment or Constitution.
Indeed, there’s nothing in Christian doctrine or dogma which mandates Christians worship in large gatherings – particularly given the fact that during the advent Christianity worship consisted of small gatherings in private homes.
Wrong.
The Covid 19 protocols in no manner ‘violate’ religious liberty or expression.
This has nothing to do with the First Amendment or Constitution.
Indeed, there’s nothing in Christian doctrine or dogma which mandates Christians worship in large gatherings – particularly given the fact that during the advent Christianity worship consisted of small gatherings in private homes.
Maybe you should explain that to the French people who are planning to spend literally millions to repair the large Notre Dame cathedral that was recently damaged in a fire- explain to them that they should just be worshipping Almighty God in small gatherings in their homes. Or the folks at the Liberal Megachurch in Manhattan, St. John the Divine, to abandon the completion of their building?
I find it strange that such a godly man isn't putting his own life on the line by volunteering to help COVID patients.
He should do so and refuse to wear any PPE to prove his assertion that god will not let him die
I'm not the one claiming god will protect people from COVID.I find it strange that such a godly man isn't putting his own life on the line by volunteering to help COVID patients.Nonreligious Questions
Whether you’ve been turned off by religion in the past or have a question about one of the world’s religions, check out what Patheos has to offer.www.patheos.com
The day that we walk through the valley of the shadow of death we will fear no evil for God is with us. Then he said, ‘fear not because I am with you’
And then the Bible teaches us to be absent from our bodies to be present with the Lord. So like any revolutionary, zealot or pure religious person, death looks to him like a welcome friend.
It is fitting to post this in "Religion and Ethics" with the emphasis on ethics. The pastor has a right to believe as he does, and perhaps even to sacrifice his life for those beliefs. However, he is a charismatic and persuasive person who has a lot of influence with his "flock" Like any group or demographic, you have people who are vulnerable and impressionable who will obey him.
In reading this, I could not help but to think of Jonestown:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Jonestown-massacre
Jonestown, location of the mass murder-suicide of the California-based Peoples Temple cult at the behest of their charismatic but paranoid leader, Jim Jones, in Jonestown agricultural commune, Guyana, on November 18, 1978. The death toll exceeded 900, making it one of the largest mass deaths in American history.
I am hard pressed to see how Tony Spell is all that different than Jim Jones. Spell uses the power of the pulpit- as did jones- to manipulate and control his followers. Spell is probobly mentally ill, as was Jones and both have or had a need to be in control at all costs.
He should do so and refuse to wear any PPE to prove his assertion that god will not let him die
This guy is a poser and probably a fake too. However I note the long trend of anti-Christians telling Christians:
1. What Jesus knows/thinks/is doing (even though they don't think Jesus is real) and
2. What they should be doing to serve Jesus (even though they don't think Jesus is real)
It's just funny at this point
He doesn't have to give medsI find it strange that such a godly man isn't putting his own life on the line by volunteering to help COVID patients.
He should do so and refuse to wear any PPE to prove his assertion that god will not let him die
Unfortunately, or perhaps just as well, the government doesn't allow Preachers to dispense life sustaining chloroquine aka trumpicillin to patients. Even those preachers who have a doctorate degree.
I'm not the one claiming god will protect people from COVID.I find it strange that such a godly man isn't putting his own life on the line by volunteering to help COVID patients.Nonreligious Questions
Whether you’ve been turned off by religion in the past or have a question about one of the world’s religions, check out what Patheos has to offer.
The day that we walk through the valley of the shadow of death we will fear no evil for God is with us. Then he said, ‘fear not because I am with you’
And then the Bible teaches us to be absent from our bodies to be present with the Lord. So like any revolutionary, zealot or pure religious person, death looks to him like a welcome friend.
It is fitting to post this in "Religion and Ethics" with the emphasis on ethics. The pastor has a right to believe as he does, and perhaps even to sacrifice his life for those beliefs. However, he is a charismatic and persuasive person who has a lot of influence with his "flock" Like any group or demographic, you have people who are vulnerable and impressionable who will obey him.
In reading this, I could not help but to think of Jonestown:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Jonestown-massacre
Jonestown, location of the mass murder-suicide of the California-based Peoples Temple cult at the behest of their charismatic but paranoid leader, Jim Jones, in Jonestown agricultural commune, Guyana, on November 18, 1978. The death toll exceeded 900, making it one of the largest mass deaths in American history.
I am hard pressed to see how Tony Spell is all that different than Jim Jones. Spell uses the power of the pulpit- as did jones- to manipulate and control his followers. Spell is probobly mentally ill, as was Jones and both have or had a need to be in control at all costs.
He should do so and refuse to wear any PPE to prove his assertion that god will not let him die
This guy is a poser and probably a fake too. However I note the long trend of anti-Christians telling Christians:
1. What Jesus knows/thinks/is doing (even though they don't think Jesus is real) and
2. What they should be doing to serve Jesus (even though they don't think Jesus is real)
It's just funny at this point
These so called religious leaders care so little for the health and well being of their "flocks" that they tell them to intentionally risk their health
And where did I mention Jesus in any thread?
I am not telling him anything.I'm not the one claiming god will protect people from COVID.I find it strange that such a godly man isn't putting his own life on the line by volunteering to help COVID patients.Nonreligious Questions
Whether you’ve been turned off by religion in the past or have a question about one of the world’s religions, check out what Patheos has to offer.
The day that we walk through the valley of the shadow of death we will fear no evil for God is with us. Then he said, ‘fear not because I am with you’
And then the Bible teaches us to be absent from our bodies to be present with the Lord. So like any revolutionary, zealot or pure religious person, death looks to him like a welcome friend.
It is fitting to post this in "Religion and Ethics" with the emphasis on ethics. The pastor has a right to believe as he does, and perhaps even to sacrifice his life for those beliefs. However, he is a charismatic and persuasive person who has a lot of influence with his "flock" Like any group or demographic, you have people who are vulnerable and impressionable who will obey him.
In reading this, I could not help but to think of Jonestown:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Jonestown-massacre
Jonestown, location of the mass murder-suicide of the California-based Peoples Temple cult at the behest of their charismatic but paranoid leader, Jim Jones, in Jonestown agricultural commune, Guyana, on November 18, 1978. The death toll exceeded 900, making it one of the largest mass deaths in American history.
I am hard pressed to see how Tony Spell is all that different than Jim Jones. Spell uses the power of the pulpit- as did jones- to manipulate and control his followers. Spell is probobly mentally ill, as was Jones and both have or had a need to be in control at all costs.
He should do so and refuse to wear any PPE to prove his assertion that god will not let him die
This guy is a poser and probably a fake too. However I note the long trend of anti-Christians telling Christians:
1. What Jesus knows/thinks/is doing (even though they don't think Jesus is real) and
2. What they should be doing to serve Jesus (even though they don't think Jesus is real)
It's just funny at this point
These so called religious leaders care so little for the health and well being of their "flocks" that they tell them to intentionally risk their health
And where did I mention Jesus in any thread?
You're telling him how to serve God, the crazy pastor. Again. Anti-Christians are always quickest to do this: interpret Bible passages, speak for God, tell us what Jesus thinks, etc.
Did you know there is a book that documents the teachings of Jesus?I find it strange that such a godly man isn't putting his own life on the line by volunteering to help COVID patients.Nonreligious Questions
Whether you’ve been turned off by religion in the past or have a question about one of the world’s religions, check out what Patheos has to offer.
The day that we walk through the valley of the shadow of death we will fear no evil for God is with us. Then he said, ‘fear not because I am with you’
And then the Bible teaches us to be absent from our bodies to be present with the Lord. So like any revolutionary, zealot or pure religious person, death looks to him like a welcome friend.
It is fitting to post this in "Religion and Ethics" with the emphasis on ethics. The pastor has a right to believe as he does, and perhaps even to sacrifice his life for those beliefs. However, he is a charismatic and persuasive person who has a lot of influence with his "flock" Like any group or demographic, you have people who are vulnerable and impressionable who will obey him.
In reading this, I could not help but to think of Jonestown:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Jonestown-massacre
Jonestown, location of the mass murder-suicide of the California-based Peoples Temple cult at the behest of their charismatic but paranoid leader, Jim Jones, in Jonestown agricultural commune, Guyana, on November 18, 1978. The death toll exceeded 900, making it one of the largest mass deaths in American history.
I am hard pressed to see how Tony Spell is all that different than Jim Jones. Spell uses the power of the pulpit- as did jones- to manipulate and control his followers. Spell is probobly mentally ill, as was Jones and both have or had a need to be in control at all costs.
He should do so and refuse to wear any PPE to prove his assertion that god will not let him die
This guy is a poser and probably a fake too. However I note the long trend of anti-Christians telling Christians:
1. What Jesus knows/thinks/is doing (even though they don't think Jesus is real) and
2. What they should be doing to serve Jesus (even though they don't think Jesus is real)
It's just funny at this point
Did you know there is a book that documents the teachings of Jesus?I find it strange that such a godly man isn't putting his own life on the line by volunteering to help COVID patients.Nonreligious Questions
Whether you’ve been turned off by religion in the past or have a question about one of the world’s religions, check out what Patheos has to offer.
The day that we walk through the valley of the shadow of death we will fear no evil for God is with us. Then he said, ‘fear not because I am with you’
And then the Bible teaches us to be absent from our bodies to be present with the Lord. So like any revolutionary, zealot or pure religious person, death looks to him like a welcome friend.
It is fitting to post this in "Religion and Ethics" with the emphasis on ethics. The pastor has a right to believe as he does, and perhaps even to sacrifice his life for those beliefs. However, he is a charismatic and persuasive person who has a lot of influence with his "flock" Like any group or demographic, you have people who are vulnerable and impressionable who will obey him.
In reading this, I could not help but to think of Jonestown:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Jonestown-massacre
Jonestown, location of the mass murder-suicide of the California-based Peoples Temple cult at the behest of their charismatic but paranoid leader, Jim Jones, in Jonestown agricultural commune, Guyana, on November 18, 1978. The death toll exceeded 900, making it one of the largest mass deaths in American history.
I am hard pressed to see how Tony Spell is all that different than Jim Jones. Spell uses the power of the pulpit- as did jones- to manipulate and control his followers. Spell is probobly mentally ill, as was Jones and both have or had a need to be in control at all costs.
He should do so and refuse to wear any PPE to prove his assertion that god will not let him die
This guy is a poser and probably a fake too. However I note the long trend of anti-Christians telling Christians:
1. What Jesus knows/thinks/is doing (even though they don't think Jesus is real) and
2. What they should be doing to serve Jesus (even though they don't think Jesus is real)
It's just funny at this point
Its called The Bible.
In this book the teachings of Jesus are documented.
When, for example, I say to you thats not what Jesus would approve of you doing, It is based on whats written in the bible.
That added to my personal experience ( 8 years catholic grammer school/altar boy/ 4 years catholic high school/several relatives who were nuns/priests)
Thinking whether or not Jesus was real has nothing to do with it.
I am merely wondering why he isn't risking his life and health the same way he is telling his sheep ti risk theirs.
I never interpreted any bible passages I am basing my observations solely on his behavior.
Anyone who tells others to risk their health should be on the front lines risking his own
It's not a question of who knows the Bible better.Did you know there is a book that documents the teachings of Jesus?I find it strange that such a godly man isn't putting his own life on the line by volunteering to help COVID patients.Nonreligious Questions
Whether you’ve been turned off by religion in the past or have a question about one of the world’s religions, check out what Patheos has to offer.
The day that we walk through the valley of the shadow of death we will fear no evil for God is with us. Then he said, ‘fear not because I am with you’
And then the Bible teaches us to be absent from our bodies to be present with the Lord. So like any revolutionary, zealot or pure religious person, death looks to him like a welcome friend.
It is fitting to post this in "Religion and Ethics" with the emphasis on ethics. The pastor has a right to believe as he does, and perhaps even to sacrifice his life for those beliefs. However, he is a charismatic and persuasive person who has a lot of influence with his "flock" Like any group or demographic, you have people who are vulnerable and impressionable who will obey him.
In reading this, I could not help but to think of Jonestown:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Jonestown-massacre
Jonestown, location of the mass murder-suicide of the California-based Peoples Temple cult at the behest of their charismatic but paranoid leader, Jim Jones, in Jonestown agricultural commune, Guyana, on November 18, 1978. The death toll exceeded 900, making it one of the largest mass deaths in American history.
I am hard pressed to see how Tony Spell is all that different than Jim Jones. Spell uses the power of the pulpit- as did jones- to manipulate and control his followers. Spell is probobly mentally ill, as was Jones and both have or had a need to be in control at all costs.
He should do so and refuse to wear any PPE to prove his assertion that god will not let him die
This guy is a poser and probably a fake too. However I note the long trend of anti-Christians telling Christians:
1. What Jesus knows/thinks/is doing (even though they don't think Jesus is real) and
2. What they should be doing to serve Jesus (even though they don't think Jesus is real)
It's just funny at this point
Its called The Bible.
In this book the teachings of Jesus are documented.
When, for example, I say to you thats not what Jesus would approve of you doing, It is based on whats written in the bible.
That added to my personal experience ( 8 years catholic grammer school/altar boy/ 4 years catholic high school/several relatives who were nuns/priests)
Thinking whether or not Jesus was real has nothing to do with it.
If you knew the Bible like my husband knew the Bible coming out the Catholic school--color me unimpressed. He did, however, know the cathecism and everything else Catholic.
If he was there'd be proof of it.I am merely wondering why he isn't risking his life and health the same way he is telling his sheep ti risk theirs.
I never interpreted any bible passages I am basing my observations solely on his behavior.
Anyone who tells others to risk their health should be on the front lines risking his own
How do you know he's not?
BTW, during previous pandemics, clergy didn't lock themselves up in their parsonages cowering in fear. And some of them croaked because of the pestilence.
It's not a question of who knows the Bible better.Did you know there is a book that documents the teachings of Jesus?I find it strange that such a godly man isn't putting his own life on the line by volunteering to help COVID patients.Nonreligious Questions
Whether you’ve been turned off by religion in the past or have a question about one of the world’s religions, check out what Patheos has to offer.
The day that we walk through the valley of the shadow of death we will fear no evil for God is with us. Then he said, ‘fear not because I am with you’
And then the Bible teaches us to be absent from our bodies to be present with the Lord. So like any revolutionary, zealot or pure religious person, death looks to him like a welcome friend.
It is fitting to post this in "Religion and Ethics" with the emphasis on ethics. The pastor has a right to believe as he does, and perhaps even to sacrifice his life for those beliefs. However, he is a charismatic and persuasive person who has a lot of influence with his "flock" Like any group or demographic, you have people who are vulnerable and impressionable who will obey him.
In reading this, I could not help but to think of Jonestown:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Jonestown-massacre
Jonestown, location of the mass murder-suicide of the California-based Peoples Temple cult at the behest of their charismatic but paranoid leader, Jim Jones, in Jonestown agricultural commune, Guyana, on November 18, 1978. The death toll exceeded 900, making it one of the largest mass deaths in American history.
I am hard pressed to see how Tony Spell is all that different than Jim Jones. Spell uses the power of the pulpit- as did jones- to manipulate and control his followers. Spell is probobly mentally ill, as was Jones and both have or had a need to be in control at all costs.
He should do so and refuse to wear any PPE to prove his assertion that god will not let him die
This guy is a poser and probably a fake too. However I note the long trend of anti-Christians telling Christians:
1. What Jesus knows/thinks/is doing (even though they don't think Jesus is real) and
2. What they should be doing to serve Jesus (even though they don't think Jesus is real)
It's just funny at this point
Its called The Bible.
In this book the teachings of Jesus are documented.
When, for example, I say to you thats not what Jesus would approve of you doing, It is based on whats written in the bible.
That added to my personal experience ( 8 years catholic grammer school/altar boy/ 4 years catholic high school/several relatives who were nuns/priests)
Thinking whether or not Jesus was real has nothing to do with it.
If you knew the Bible like my husband knew the Bible coming out the Catholic school--color me unimpressed. He did, however, know the cathecism and everything else Catholic.
Its a question of understanding the teachings of Jesus.
If he was there'd be proof of it.I am merely wondering why he isn't risking his life and health the same way he is telling his sheep ti risk theirs.
I never interpreted any bible passages I am basing my observations solely on his behavior.
Anyone who tells others to risk their health should be on the front lines risking his own
How do you know he's not?
BTW, during previous pandemics, clergy didn't lock themselves up in their parsonages cowering in fear. And some of them croaked because of the pestilence.
If he was he'd be encouraging his sheep to do the same and instead of gathering in a large crowd in his church so he could collect their money he'd be leading them in helping others.
But he'll stand there in his big expensive church on stage 20 feet away from his flock while they are crowded together in the pews
Ted Bundy has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion.It's not a question of who knows the Bible better.Did you know there is a book that documents the teachings of Jesus?I find it strange that such a godly man isn't putting his own life on the line by volunteering to help COVID patients.Nonreligious Questions
Whether you’ve been turned off by religion in the past or have a question about one of the world’s religions, check out what Patheos has to offer.
The day that we walk through the valley of the shadow of death we will fear no evil for God is with us. Then he said, ‘fear not because I am with you’
And then the Bible teaches us to be absent from our bodies to be present with the Lord. So like any revolutionary, zealot or pure religious person, death looks to him like a welcome friend.
It is fitting to post this in "Religion and Ethics" with the emphasis on ethics. The pastor has a right to believe as he does, and perhaps even to sacrifice his life for those beliefs. However, he is a charismatic and persuasive person who has a lot of influence with his "flock" Like any group or demographic, you have people who are vulnerable and impressionable who will obey him.
In reading this, I could not help but to think of Jonestown:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Jonestown-massacre
Jonestown, location of the mass murder-suicide of the California-based Peoples Temple cult at the behest of their charismatic but paranoid leader, Jim Jones, in Jonestown agricultural commune, Guyana, on November 18, 1978. The death toll exceeded 900, making it one of the largest mass deaths in American history.
I am hard pressed to see how Tony Spell is all that different than Jim Jones. Spell uses the power of the pulpit- as did jones- to manipulate and control his followers. Spell is probobly mentally ill, as was Jones and both have or had a need to be in control at all costs.
He should do so and refuse to wear any PPE to prove his assertion that god will not let him die
This guy is a poser and probably a fake too. However I note the long trend of anti-Christians telling Christians:
1. What Jesus knows/thinks/is doing (even though they don't think Jesus is real) and
2. What they should be doing to serve Jesus (even though they don't think Jesus is real)
It's just funny at this point
Its called The Bible.
In this book the teachings of Jesus are documented.
When, for example, I say to you thats not what Jesus would approve of you doing, It is based on whats written in the bible.
That added to my personal experience ( 8 years catholic grammer school/altar boy/ 4 years catholic high school/several relatives who were nuns/priests)
Thinking whether or not Jesus was real has nothing to do with it.
If you knew the Bible like my husband knew the Bible coming out the Catholic school--color me unimpressed. He did, however, know the cathecism and everything else Catholic.
Its a question of understanding the teachings of Jesus.
Oh so just understanding the teachings of Jesus. That's it. Like in a theoretical way.
What if Ted Bundy "understood" the teachings of Jesus. Good enough?
They didn't have the damned service yet, and the symptoms can take up to 14 days to develop. What the fuck is wrong with you?None have died or gotten sick yet.
Ted Bundy has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion.It's not a question of who knows the Bible better.Did you know there is a book that documents the teachings of Jesus?I find it strange that such a godly man isn't putting his own life on the line by volunteering to help COVID patients.Nonreligious Questions
Whether you’ve been turned off by religion in the past or have a question about one of the world’s religions, check out what Patheos has to offer.
The day that we walk through the valley of the shadow of death we will fear no evil for God is with us. Then he said, ‘fear not because I am with you’
And then the Bible teaches us to be absent from our bodies to be present with the Lord. So like any revolutionary, zealot or pure religious person, death looks to him like a welcome friend.
It is fitting to post this in "Religion and Ethics" with the emphasis on ethics. The pastor has a right to believe as he does, and perhaps even to sacrifice his life for those beliefs. However, he is a charismatic and persuasive person who has a lot of influence with his "flock" Like any group or demographic, you have people who are vulnerable and impressionable who will obey him.
In reading this, I could not help but to think of Jonestown:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Jonestown-massacre
Jonestown, location of the mass murder-suicide of the California-based Peoples Temple cult at the behest of their charismatic but paranoid leader, Jim Jones, in Jonestown agricultural commune, Guyana, on November 18, 1978. The death toll exceeded 900, making it one of the largest mass deaths in American history.
I am hard pressed to see how Tony Spell is all that different than Jim Jones. Spell uses the power of the pulpit- as did jones- to manipulate and control his followers. Spell is probobly mentally ill, as was Jones and both have or had a need to be in control at all costs.
He should do so and refuse to wear any PPE to prove his assertion that god will not let him die
This guy is a poser and probably a fake too. However I note the long trend of anti-Christians telling Christians:
1. What Jesus knows/thinks/is doing (even though they don't think Jesus is real) and
2. What they should be doing to serve Jesus (even though they don't think Jesus is real)
It's just funny at this point
Its called The Bible.
In this book the teachings of Jesus are documented.
When, for example, I say to you thats not what Jesus would approve of you doing, It is based on whats written in the bible.
That added to my personal experience ( 8 years catholic grammer school/altar boy/ 4 years catholic high school/several relatives who were nuns/priests)
Thinking whether or not Jesus was real has nothing to do with it.
If you knew the Bible like my husband knew the Bible coming out the Catholic school--color me unimpressed. He did, however, know the cathecism and everything else Catholic.
Its a question of understanding the teachings of Jesus.
Oh so just understanding the teachings of Jesus. That's it. Like in a theoretical way.
What if Ted Bundy "understood" the teachings of Jesus. Good enough?
If he was there'd be proof of it.I am merely wondering why he isn't risking his life and health the same way he is telling his sheep ti risk theirs.
I never interpreted any bible passages I am basing my observations solely on his behavior.
Anyone who tells others to risk their health should be on the front lines risking his own
How do you know he's not?
BTW, during previous pandemics, clergy didn't lock themselves up in their parsonages cowering in fear. And some of them croaked because of the pestilence.
If he was he'd be encouraging his sheep to do the same and instead of gathering in a large crowd in his church so he could collect their money he'd be leading them in helping others.
But he'll stand there in his big expensive church on stage 20 feet away from his flock while they are crowded together in the pews
Have you even looked for proof in the matter of this preacher? Or are you just assuming?
If he was there'd be proof of it.I am merely wondering why he isn't risking his life and health the same way he is telling his sheep ti risk theirs.
I never interpreted any bible passages I am basing my observations solely on his behavior.
Anyone who tells others to risk their health should be on the front lines risking his own
How do you know he's not?
BTW, during previous pandemics, clergy didn't lock themselves up in their parsonages cowering in fear. And some of them croaked because of the pestilence.
If he was he'd be encouraging his sheep to do the same and instead of gathering in a large crowd in his church so he could collect their money he'd be leading them in helping others.
But he'll stand there in his big expensive church on stage 20 feet away from his flock while they are crowded together in the pews
Have you even looked for proof in the matter of this preacher? Or are you just assuming?
All I see is him telling people to come to church there are no links in the article about him leading volunteer efforts.
As I said behavior is the true measure of a person's beliefs and his behavior of telling people to come to his church and risk their health and the health of their families tells me all I need to know about him.
