Zone1 May True Christians have Christmas tree, mistletoe, etc at Christmas?

[Moonglow]

Tradition is good.

Did Christ approve?

 

[BreezeWood]

Geez you have no clue what I posted.

- and no, the killing of a tree for a holiday celebration or any useless endeavor is not warranted and not relevant to that event and is a sin against the heavens.

 

[irosie91]

- and no, the killing of a tree for a holiday celebration or any useless endeavor is not warranted and not relevant to that event and is a sin against the heavens.

how about sitting on Santa's lap in Macy's ????

 

[BreezeWood]

how about sitting on Santa's lap in Macy's ????

sure, will that lead to jewish retribution - the events relevance surly is included in their "celebration" as the concluding scene of the 1st century events. including their happy ending version.

 

[irosie91]

be sure to make a purchase in the store----don't count on Santa

 

[BackAgain]

May True Christians have Christmas tree, mistletoe, etc at Christmas?​

I am not particularly religious. So I ask this out of curiosity and a sense that it is misleading.

How do you define a “true” Christian?

If someone has chose to accept Jesus as Savior, and assuming that person tries to adhere to the teachings of Jesus, then by what right would anyone be validly able to label that person a “false” Christian?

Zebra

 

[BreezeWood]

be sure to make a purchase in the store----don't count on Santa

10/4 ...

 

[Zincwarrior]

Or is all this too pagan?

I think it is ok.

What do you think?

Sure, all of them. Christ was about the Word. Celebrate the coming of The Word how you want. We have steaks and over serving alcohol and living at church XMas Eve to help run services.

This year I am Lector for all the services I think. Holy crap.

 

[Foxfyre]

I wouldn't wish my childhood on anyone.

Nor would I. I was a battered and sometimes neglected child. But that was in no way the fault of Christmas or people who enjoy celebrating it.

And I don't think it Christian or loving to denigrate anyone who does celebrate it.

Those who choose not to are perfectly free not to.

I for one enjoy the efforts of others to spread goodness and joy immensely.

 

[presonorek]

Or is all this too pagan?

I think it is ok.

What do you think?

Christ's Mass
Christmas

That means go to church to worship Christ on that day. There is nothing on your list that has anything to do with going to church on the day Christ was born. Perhaps the Nativity Scene could be displayed at the church when you go to Christ's Mass.

We don't celebrate Christ's Mass in America. We celebrate Yule but call it Christmas. I don't want this post too long so I'll make another post about Yule.

 

[Zebra]

now 7 of 7 are for Christmas tree and mistletoe

 

[presonorek]

Or is all this too pagan?

I think it is ok.

What do you think?

December 21st is the winter solstice or the official first day of winter. I'm not so sure ancient Germans had the same calendar, but Yule would have been celebrated at the beginning of winter. German winters were extremely harsh. It was not common but guaranteed that some people would die through the winter. This was the last opportunity to gather everyone together because at least someone at the gathering would be dead by the end of winter. This was a time of celebration and extravagance. Some of the animals were killed to avoid feeding them for the winter so abundance of meat was a part of the Yule celebration. I'm sure gifts for children was a part of the festivities as well. It allowed the children to enjoy what little bit of life they might have left, yes even kids died during winter. They were showered with extravagance due to the reality that it might be their last chance to enjoy childhood. What symbol could encourage the celebrants upon leaving the festivities you ask? Well an evergreen tree of course. These trees did not appear to die like other trees. It stayed green year round. The green tree was a reminder to survive through the winter.

Christmas is not Christian at all. It is Pagan AF. Some churches are closed on Christmas so you can spend time with your family celebrating Yule. Family togetherness was paramount for a Yule celebration. Worshipping Christ requires being Christ centered not family centered. Let's just continue Trolling the Christians with Ancient Yuletide Carols fa la la fa la la la la. I think it is hilarious honestly.

Check for Jesus references:

"Deck the halls with boughs of holly,
Fa la la la la, la la la la.
‘Tis the season to be jolly,
Fa la la la la, la la la la.
Don we now our gay apparel,
Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
Toll the ancient Yule tide carol,
Fa la la la la, la la la la.

See the blazing Yule before us,
Fa la la la la, la la la la.
Strike the harp and join the chorus.
Fa la la la la, la la la la.
Follow me in merry measure,
Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
While I tell of Yule tide treasure,
Fa la la la la, la la la la.

Fast away the old year passes,
Fa la la la la, la la la la.
Hail the new, ye lads and lasses,
Fa la la la la, la la la la.
Sing we joyous, all together,
Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
Heedless of the wind and weather,
Fa la la la la, la la la la."

Any Jesus references?

 

[Foxfyre]

May True Christians have Christmas tree, mistletoe, etc at Christmas?​

I am not particularly religious. So I ask this out of curiosity and a sense that it is misleading.

How do you define a “true” Christian?

If someone has chose to accept Jesus as Savior, and assuming that person tries to adhere to the teachings of Jesus, then by what right would anyone be validly able to label that person a “false” Christian?

Zebra

I don't know if I would qualify as particularly religious either. But I do know there is no single way that one finds God or knows the Risen Christ. I do believe all who want that relationship can have it. (It's a lot easier when the person doesn't try to order God to do it in any particular way or in any particular time frame. )

I do know Jesus was very big on loving God with all our hearts, souls, and minds and loving our neighbor as we love ourselves. On that hangs ALL the law and the prophets.

And he was pretty adamant that judging the heart and soul of others was God's prerogative and not ours. We are not to do that.

So we come back to Christmas. I would be the first to say that sometimes doing everything I want to do to celebrate that tradition can be quite stressful. But I have nobody to blame for that stress but myself as I don't have to choose to do it.

But why bother putting out that MERRY CHRISTMAS on the garage door and the few outdoor colored lights that go with it? We do that maybe in part because most of the neighbors do that--most more elaborately than we do these day --but also we enjoy the beautiful displays and want to do our part to add to that.

It is an act of love.

And our Christmas tree, nativity scene, the few other decorations we put inside do help us get into the spirit of it all.

What matters that there were pagan festivals around the time Christians chose to celebrate Christmas? That does not take away from the fact that Christmas is to acknowledge and celebrate the fact that the Christ Child, Immanuel, God with us was born as Jesus of Nazareth in a town called Bethlehem.

Billions of Christians have believed and believe it.

There is no sin in spreading joy and charity in celebration of that.

There is no sin in spreading joy and charity by those who don't believe it.

And yes we can deplore the crass commercialism that has grown up around that celebration, but countless merchants depend on that commercialism for a good deal of their annual income.

I think if the lights went dark, there were no Christmas trees or other decorations, the vast majority of us would miss that terribly.

(I just wish they wouldn't start pushing it before Halloween. )

 

[presonorek]

I voted for Santa Clause because I believe there could be some Christian roots to the Santa Clause story. I wanted to vote "none of these" but I am not sure I can separate Santa completely from Christianity.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Sad to see most professing "Christians" hold on so tightly to their love of paganism

Christmas, as celebrated today, does incorporate some traditions with pagan origins. While the date of December 25th was chosen to coincide with the Roman festival of Saturnalia and the winter solstice, many customs like gift-giving, feasting, and decorating with evergreens predate Christianity and were part of various pagan winter celebrations.

 

[Zebra]

There are many many Christmas Songs where Jesus occurs.

ever heard of Stille Nacht, heilige Nacht?

= Silent Night usw ….

 

[irosie91]

Sad to see most professing "Christians" hold on so tightly to their love of paganism

Christmas, as celebrated today, does incorporate some traditions with pagan origins. While the date of December 25th was chosen to coincide with the Roman festival of Saturnalia and the winter solstice, many customs like gift-giving, feasting, and decorating with evergreens predate Christianity and were part of various pagan winter celebrations.

PAGANOPHOBIA !!!!!!!!

 

[Zebra]

I voted for Santa Clause because I believe there could be some Christian roots to the Santa Clause story. I wanted to vote "none of these" but I am not sure I can separate Santa completely from Christianity.

And what about the German Christkind?

 

[Zebra]

I don't know if I would qualify as particularly religious either. But I do know there is no single way that one finds God or knows the Risen Christ. I do believe all who want that relationship can have it. (It's a lot easier when the person doesn't try to order God to do it in any particular way or in any particular time frame. )

I do know Jesus was very big on loving God with all our hearts, souls, and minds and loving our neighbor as we love ourselves. On that hangs ALL the law and the prophets.

And he was pretty adamant that judging the heart and soul of others was God's prerogative and not ours. We were not to do that.

So we come back to Christmas. I would be the first to say that sometimes doing everything I want to do to celebrate that tradition can be quite stressful. But I have nobody to blame for that stress but myself as I don't have to choose to do it.

But why bother putting out that MERRY CHRISTMAS on the garage door and the few outdoor colored lights that go with it? We do that maybe in part because most of the neighbors do that--most more elaborately than we do these day --but also we enjoy the beautiful displays and want to do our part to add to that.

It is an act of love.

And our Christmas tree, nativity scene, the few other decorations we put inside do help us get into the spirit of it all.

What matters that there were pagan festivals around the time Christians chose to celebrate Christmas? That does not take away from the fact that Christmas is to acknowledge and celebrate the fact that the Christ Child, Immanuel, God with us was born as Jesus of Nazareth in a town called Bethlehem.

Billions of Christians have believed and believe it.

There is no sin in spreading joy and charity in celebration of that.

There is no sin in spreading joy and charity by those who don't believe it.

And yes we can deplore the crass commercialism that has grown up around that celebration, but countless merchants depend on that commercialism for a good deal of their annual income.

I think if the lights went dark, there were no Christmas trees or other decorations, the vast majority of us would miss that terribly.

(I just wish they wouldn't start pushing it before Halloween. )

i agree completely

 

[irosie91]

And what about the German Christkind?

the cute kid in the lederhosen?