"Market economy is for robots, socialism is for people"

[Quentin111]

Even more myopic than I thought. Who will make the machines when no one has to work UNTIL the machines can make themselves?

First machines with AI will be made by Chineese, then these machines will reproduce themselves etc.

 

[miketx]

Even more myopic than I thought. Who will make the machines when no one has to work UNTIL the machines can make themselves?

First machines with AI will be made by Chineese, then these machines will reproduce themselves etc.

Bullshit. How can they be made when no one works?

 

[WinterBorn]

Even more myopic than I thought. Who will make the machines when no one has to work UNTIL the machines can make themselves?

First machines with AI will be made by Chineese, then these machines will reproduce themselves etc.

Machines making machine is not some futuristic idea. Most machines, even complicated electronic robots, are built on an assembly line. Automation has been improving those for decades. Having a machine mount a plate on a piece of gear, or a motherboard into a robot is not to complicated to program. The programming can be uploaded by simply plugging the machine in.

 

[WinterBorn]

Even more myopic than I thought. Who will make the machines when no one has to work UNTIL the machines can make themselves?

First machines with AI will be made by Chineese, then these machines will reproduce themselves etc.

Bullshit. How can they be made when no one works?

I don't think anyone said no one would work. There will be some people maintaining the machines or upgrading them.

But automated assembly lines are common. The overall machine may be complicated, but the various parts are not.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

What should the creation of AI lead to and how it will affect human society. I grew up in the USSR under socialism, when there was free medicine, secondary education and higher education - those who passed the competition for admission to the university.
Also, under socialism, everyone was guaranteed a job, but at the same time unwillingness to work was legally punished - "the law on parasitism."
At the same time, there was a shortage of goods in stores, complex equipment like televisions or cars was expensive, difficult to buy and of poor quality.
Now almost the entire planet operates in a market economy, when it is easy to buy various goods, but you need to work hard and with high quality to ensure a decent standard of living, there is a strong stratification of society in terms of income and material status, and there is unemployment and unemployed.
Thus, socialism and capitalism have their disadvantages and advantages.
The question: how to combine the advantages of capitalism and socialism and get rid of their disadvantages - IMHO, can be solved by creating a "strong AI". Indeed, it is possible to build an economy where all goods will be produced by robots and robots will compete with each other to produce the best quality and cheapest goods for humans. People will receive Basic Income, which allows them to buy goods made by robots. Most likely, stratification in human society will take place, but even the poorest will receive Basic Income in order to maintain a minimum consumer level. Hunger, disease, poverty will become a thing of the past. People will be freed from the need to look for work and work to feed themselves.

Historical fact. A requirement of Socialism is to murder the mega-millions of people who won't go along with the philosophy.

 

[there4eyeM]

The only basis for value is life. Thinking that humans are worthless is not recognizing where "worth" comes from.
Wealth is increasingly being created without human labor. Economics has to be totally revisited and a top to bottom change of concepts made. Money and the power it subsumes will have to be dealt with. All this could easily pass peacefully and constructively. That will require intelligence and good will.

 

[Smokin' OP]

I have long predicted a point in which a Basic Income will be provided for the population. There will simply not be enough work for everyone to be employed.

And technology has already been the single biggest cause of unemployment. The number of people who lost work due to automation is greater than the number of jobs lost to outsourcing.

When there is simply not enough work for everyone, there will be work for everyone, at the point of a gun by the government. Socialism never works.

Really?
We had the same issues since we have became a country.
Lewis and Clark paved the way for westward expansion, paid for by socialist $$$.
States were formed and their governments were fronted the money by socialist $$$.
The Hoover dam was built by socialist $$$.
FDR started the WPA, people built more than 4,000 new school buildings, erected 130 new hospitals, laid roughly 9,000 miles of storm drains and sanitary sewer lines, built 29,000 new bridges, constructed 150 new airfields, paved or repaired 280,000 miles of roads and planted 24 million trees.
Paid for by socialist $$$.
The interstate highway system was built on socialist $$$.
Satellites were first put in space (orbit) by socialist $$$.

"Point of a gun"? That's a dictatorship.

Why do teabaggers always confuse the two?

Drama?

 

[Quentin111]

The only basis for value is life. Thinking that humans are worthless is not recognizing where "worth" comes from.
Wealth is increasingly being created without human labor. Economics has to be totally revisited and a top to bottom change of concepts made. Money and the power it subsumes will have to be dealt with. All this could easily pass peacefully and constructively. That will require intelligence and good will.

I completely agree with you.

 

[Quentin111]

After the creation of a strong AI in the future, it will be necessary to ensure that machines contain humans in the same way that we (humans) currently keep monkeys (our younger brothers in mind) in zoos.