The Need For Universal Welfare? Could Be.

[alang1216]

Amazing how much you are full of........Democrat propaganda.



“In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



“The conservative Heritage Foundation estimated unlawful immigrant households paid $39.2 billion in 2010, but received $93.7 billion in government services.” -- Oliver Darcy
Of course it is far greater today.

It is re-distribution of wealth from earners to Democrat voters.



“The Federation for American Immigration Reform Monday put the five-year price tag at $8.8 billion in federal and state costs, or nearly $80,000 per refugee. There are some 18 federal and state programs refugees can tap for financial help, including food stamps, child care, public housing and school loans.

On a yearly average, it is $1.8 billion, or $15,900 per refugee. Included in that are enormous refugee resettlement costs such as $867 million in welfare, housing assistance and education.

… 50 percent of refugees remain on Medicaid for five years.

The Fiscal Cost of Resettling Refugees in the United States

• The cost per refugee to American taxpayers just under $79,600 every year in the first five years after a refugee is resettled in the U.S.
• In 2016, the State Department spent nearly $545 million to process and resettle refugees, including $140,389,177 on transportation costs.
• Of the $1.8 billion in resettlement costs, $867 billion was spent on welfare alone.
• In their first five years, approximately 54 percent of all refugees will hold jobs that pay less than $11 an hour.
• $71 million will be spent to educate refugees and asylum-seekers, a majority of which will be paid by state and local governments.
• Over five years, an estimated 15.7 percent of all refugees will need housing assistance, which is roughly $7,600 per household in 2014 dollars.

Refugee costs: $8.8 billion, $80,000 per immigrant, free welfare, Medicaid - Washington Examiner

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Jun 20, 2024

You bemoan Democrat propaganda so you spew Right wing propaganda.

You remind me of that old adage, figures don't lie but liars figure.

 

[alang1216]

But you vote for the socialists.

Aren't you proud ot that?

What you failed to comprehend is that you voted for the socialists too. And the communists. Not just the capitalists.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Citing the testimony of a anti-immigration advocate is hardly conclusive. Other sources say different:

Immigrants contribute significantly to the U.S. economy, generating trillions in economic activity, paying billions in taxes, and driving innovation and business creation, while also easing labor shortages in key sectors.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Economic Activity and GDP:

• Economic Activity: Immigrants generated roughly $1.6 trillion in economic activity in 2022.
  
  
• GDP Contribution: Some studies estimate that immigrants contribute a substantial portion of the U.S. GDP, with one study finding that immigrants account for 17% of U.S. GDP, amounting to $3.3 trillion.
  
  
• Spending Power: Immigrants wield significant spending power, with one analysis finding that immigrants (14% of the U.S. population) wield $1.3 trillion in spending power.
  
  
• Immigrants added $2 trillion to the U.S. GDP in 2016 and $458.7 billion to state, local, and federal taxes in 2018 .
  
  
• In 2023, undocumented immigrant households paid $89.8 billion in federal, state, and local taxes and held $299 billion in spending power .

Tax Contributions:

• Total Tax Payments:
  Immigrant households paid nearly $1 in every $6 in tax dollars collected by governments in 2022.
  
  
• Federal Tax Payments:
  Immigrants paid $382.9 billion in federal taxes and $196.3 billion in state and local taxes in 2022.
  
  
• Social Security and Medicare:
  Immigrants contribute significantly to Social Security and Medicare, with immigrant households paying $194.5 billion to Social Security and $53.6 billion to Medicare in 2022.
  
  
• In 2022, undocumented immigrant households paid $46.8 billion in federal taxes and $29.3 billion in state and local taxes

I recall you writing something about 'hypocrisy'.......


Sooo......how many have you taken into your home?

 

[PoliticalChic]

You bemoan Democrat propaganda so you spew Right wing propaganda.

You remind me of that old adage, figures don't lie but liars figure.

:
I post facts.

You and your ilk post this stuff


these were all lies too............


There are sooooo very many lies on which the Left's politics and promises are built.
One can take his pick....that there is systemic racism, the election was fair, illegals don't vote, gun control is aimed at criminals, CRT isn't taught in government school, welfare stops starvation, the Democrat's flipped and the Republicans became the party of racism, Nazis were rightwing, Liberals founded this nation, Hillary is the smartest woman in the country and Bill Clinton ever had a budget surplus, women have a right to kill their unborn, women get paid less for the same job.....and "1 in 5 women being sexually assaulted while in college."



Democrats lie about everything….on what basis would any of their fabricated data be considered valid???
Here the prism through which every Democrat pronouncement should be viewed: First collusion, collusion, collusion, Russia, Russia, Russia, Obstruction, Obstruction, Obstruction. Racist, Racist, Racist, Impeach, Impeach, Impeach, Recession, Recession, Recession, Emoluments, 25th amendment, “HandsUpDon’tShoot,”Stormy Daniels, lies about Charlottesville fine Nazis, Kurds, Ukraine, Quid Pro Quo, ‘lynching,’ the Kavanaugh hoax, the GAO charges, Lev Parnas, impeachment, coronavirus ‘hoax,’ General Flynn perjury trap, no evidence of voter fraud in the stolen election.....and “More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president's son."



Don’t forget the Democrats told you that Trump was colluding with Russia…and that wasn’t true. They also told you that so was Naval Academy grad Carter Page and so was George Papadopoulos and so was General Michael Flynn, a three star general and former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency….and all of that was a lie. How stupid must one be to keep believing what they say?
...and, and that ‘armed insurrection’ that never occurred, and AOC lying about her near-death experience in the Capitol Riots.....when she wasn't even in the Capitol. And, of course the 275 Democrat inspired riots were ‘mostly peaceful.’

And that Biden voters as agents provocateur weren't behind the Capitol Riot.....and that Pelosi knew and refused to allow extra security. They lie about everything.......yet Democrat voters are, ready to swallow the next lie.

And that the Wuhan Red Death did not come from a Chinese Communist lab that got its funding via Dr. Fauci, and its purpose was to remove Trump….

FakeStories: Three years of Russian Collusion stories; altering documents at the DoJ and FBI to railroad political opponents; the state media burying the Hunter Biden Scandal what with Joe getting 10% of the bribes; stories about Kavanaugh rape parties, and Covington Catholic School; Carter Page working for Russia when he was actually working for the CIA….where were those ‘fact checkers’? The great lie that there was an ‘insurrection’ January 6th. The lie that it was Republicans who wanted to defund the police. The lie that Critical Race Theory wasn’t being taught. The lie that 600,000 died from the Wuhan Red Death.
What should you do when they lied to you at least these 30 times already???????????

Democrats claimed it was Republicans who demanded defunding the police, AOC claimed ten people were killed Jan6th, Ilhan Omar blames the police for crime, they claimed that CRT wasn’t being taught in government school, men can become pregnant, and MAGA fans attacked Jussie Smollett, inflation due to Putin and the invasion…

• Brett Kavanaugh — Serial Rapist
• President Michael Avenatti
• The Covington KKKids Hoax
• Hands Up, Don’t Shoot
• George Zimmerman
• Mostly Peaceful Black Lives Matter Riots
• The Russia Collusion Hoax
• Antifa Stormed the Beaches on D-Day
• Cuomo (D-NY): King of Coronavirus Competence
• The Clearing of Lafayette Square Hoax
• The Lab Leak Theory Has Been Debunked Hoax
• The Russians Are Behind Hunter’s Laptop Hoax
• The Russian Bounty Hoax
• The Capitol Police Officer Killed with a Fire Extinguisher Hoax
• The Very Fine People Hoax
• Men Can Magically Transform into Women
• And on and on and on…

…what is the point of watching any corporate media outlet? All they do is lie. Even if you are an NPR wine mom, you do not want to be serially lied to.
The era of corporate media influence is ending thanks to the over the top bias, and that should be good for the future. Americans are rebelling against these exposed frauds, and 2022 should be a turning point."
Mark Simone 710

 

[dblack]

That's not based on politics....that's an interesting take on AI.

1. A Chinese scholar predicts the end of capitalism, and instead, exactly what Marx predicted: world wide socialism. Here's is his analysis: AI will result in nearly all work done by machinery, robotics and AI. Society would not allow it to be in the hands of the rich (the Democrats, the party of the rich) and government would control and own it and need to take care of all those who no longer had jobs.


2. "The more AI advances into a general-purpose technology that permeates every corner of life, the less sense it makes to allow it to remain in private hands that serve the interests of the few instead of the many. More than anything else, the inevitability of mass unemployment and the demand for universal welfare will drive the idea of socializing or nationalizing AI."

3. "But when industry only produces joblessness, as robots take over more and more, there is no good alternative but for the state to step in. As AI invades economic and social life, all private law-related issues will soon become public ones. More and more, regulation of private companies will become a necessity to maintain some semblance of stability in societies roiled by constant innovation."


4. "The dream of communism is the elimination of wage labor. If AI is bound to serve society instead of private capitalists, it promises to do so by freeing an overwhelming majority from such drudgery while creating wealth to sustain all."


5. Marx’s dictum, “From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs,” needs an update for the 21st century: “From the inability of an AI economy to provide jobs and a living wage for all, to each according to their needs.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/theworldpost/wp/2018/05/03/end-of-capitalism/

tl;dr

But socialists will seize on pretty much anything to predict the "end of capitalism". Every single social change is proof positive that government should control trade.

 

[PoliticalChic]

tl;dr

But socialists will seize on pretty much anything to predict the "end of capitalism". Every single social change is proof positive that government should control the economy.

Didn't read, but has an opinion?

Get lost.

 

[dblack]

Didn't read, but has an opinion?

Get lost.

Yeah. I can never make it through your posts. Just so pompous and self-engrandizing. Like you think your words are so precious they should be annotated and enumerated.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yeah. I can never make it through your posts. Just so pompous and self-engrandizing. Like you think your words are so precious they should be annotated and enumerated.

"your posts. Just so pompous and self-engrandizing. Like you think your words are so precious"


You lying oaf, you just claimed you didn't read it.


Now do both of us favor and follow my instructions: get lost.

 

[dblack]

"your posts. Just so pompous and self-engrandizing. Like you think your words are so precious"


You lying oaf, you just claimed you didn't read it.


Now do both of us favor and follow my instructions: get lost.

I might just do that. I might just stay here, to point and laugh.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I might just do that. I might just stay here, to point and laugh.

....as though your opinion has any moment.

 

[alang1216]

I recall you writing something about 'hypocrisy'.......


Sooo......how many have you taken into your home?

I don't know, I don't check immigration status at my door.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I don't know, I don't check immigration status at my door.

You don't know? You might have?

So you are claiming that you have taken in accented, undocumented individuals?


Even you know you just put your hoof in your mouth.........again.

 

[alang1216]

Democrats lie about everything….

You bring to mind that old paradox about the man who claims that he ALWAYS lies.

The lie that it was Republicans who wanted to defund the police.

Republicans in Congress have managed the only successful federal attempt to defund the police. And not just any police. The GOP has bitten a sizable chunk out of the FBI's budget.

 

[alang1216]

You don't know? You might have?

So you are claiming that you have taken in accented, undocumented individuals?

Even you know you just put your hoof in your mouth.........again.

Everyone who comes to my house has an accent, often a Brooklyn one, and none has ever shown me any documentation.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Everyone who comes to my house has an accent, often a Brooklyn one, and none has ever shown me any documentation.

Let's check how far you lies go.....

Sooo......how many have you taken into your home?

"I don't know, I don't check immigration status at my door."



How many folks have you permanently taken into your home.....like the 10 million your vote welcomed in?



"Since January 2021, when Joe Biden came to office, there have been more than 10 million encounters - about 8 million came over the southwest land border with Mexico."

How many migrants have crossed the US border illegally?

As Kamala Harris visits the border, BBC Verify assesses a Trump claim about the Biden administration's immigation record.

www.bbc.com

I'm gonna guess you are a lying sack of offal, and you have taken in .......zero.

How'd I do?

 

[alang1216]

Let's check how far you lies go.....

"I don't know, I don't check immigration status at my door."

How many folks have you permanently taken into your home.....like the 10 million your vote welcomed in?

"Since January 2021, when Joe Biden came to office, there have been more than 10 million encounters - about 8 million came over the southwest land border with Mexico."

Those are 'encounters', i.e., people showing up at the border and requesting a visa or asylum, they are not entering the US illegally.

I'm gonna guess you are a lying sack of offal, and you have taken in .......zero.

How'd I do?

Batting zero. I've permanently taken in to my home as many illegal immigrants as I've taken in documented US citizens.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Those are 'encounters', i.e., people showing up at the border and requesting a visa or asylum, they are not entering the US illegally.


Batting zero. I've permanently taken in to my home as many illegal immigrants as I've taken in documented US citizens.

So you are a lying sack of offal?


Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[daveman]

Citing the testimony of a anti-immigration advocate is hardly conclusive. Other sources say different:

Immigrants contribute significantly to the U.S. economy, generating trillions in economic activity, paying billions in taxes, and driving innovation and business creation, while also easing labor shortages in key sectors.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Economic Activity and GDP:

• Economic Activity: Immigrants generated roughly $1.6 trillion in economic activity in 2022.
  
  
• GDP Contribution: Some studies estimate that immigrants contribute a substantial portion of the U.S. GDP, with one study finding that immigrants account for 17% of U.S. GDP, amounting to $3.3 trillion.
  
  
• Spending Power: Immigrants wield significant spending power, with one analysis finding that immigrants (14% of the U.S. population) wield $1.3 trillion in spending power.
  
  
• Immigrants added $2 trillion to the U.S. GDP in 2016 and $458.7 billion to state, local, and federal taxes in 2018 .
  
  
• In 2023, undocumented immigrant households paid $89.8 billion in federal, state, and local taxes and held $299 billion in spending power .

Tax Contributions:

• Total Tax Payments:
  Immigrant households paid nearly $1 in every $6 in tax dollars collected by governments in 2022.
  
  
• Federal Tax Payments:
  Immigrants paid $382.9 billion in federal taxes and $196.3 billion in state and local taxes in 2022.
  
  
• Social Security and Medicare:
  Immigrants contribute significantly to Social Security and Medicare, with immigrant households paying $194.5 billion to Social Security and $53.6 billion to Medicare in 2022.
  
  
• In 2022, undocumented immigrant households paid $46.8 billion in federal taxes and $29.3 billion in state and local taxes

No link?

Dismissed as worthless.

 

[alang1216]

No link?

Dismissed as worthless.

Take it up with Google's AI.

 

[daveman]

Take it up with Google's AI.

DEFINITELY worthless.