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"Market economy is for robots, socialism is for people"

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What should the creation of AI lead to and how it will affect human society. I grew up in the USSR under socialism, when there was free medicine, secondary education and higher education - those who passed the competition for admission to the university.
Also, under socialism, everyone was guaranteed a job, but at the same time unwillingness to work was legally punished - "the law on parasitism."
At the same time, there was a shortage of goods in stores, complex equipment like televisions or cars was expensive, difficult to buy and of poor quality.
Now almost the entire planet operates in a market economy, when it is easy to buy various goods, but you need to work hard and with high quality to ensure a decent standard of living, there is a strong stratification of society in terms of income and material status, and there is unemployment and unemployed.
Thus, socialism and capitalism have their disadvantages and advantages.
The question: how to combine the advantages of capitalism and socialism and get rid of their disadvantages - IMHO, can be solved by creating a "strong AI". Indeed, it is possible to build an economy where all goods will be produced by robots and robots will compete with each other to produce the best quality and cheapest goods for humans. People will receive Basic Income, which allows them to buy goods made by robots. Most likely, stratification in human society will take place, but even the poorest will receive Basic Income in order to maintain a minimum consumer level. Hunger, disease, poverty will become a thing of the past. People will be freed from the need to look for work and work to feed themselves.
 

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I have long predicted a point in which a Basic Income will be provided for the population. There will simply not be enough work for everyone to be employed.

And technology has already been the single biggest cause of unemployment. The number of people who lost work due to automation is greater than the number of jobs lost to outsourcing.
 

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Good luck with that. People who do nothing are worthless to society, so why would we pay people to do nothing? In the world you just described the people that own the machines would have every reason to destroy the freeloaders that produce nothing.
 

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What should the creation of AI lead to and how it will affect human society. I grew up in the USSR under socialism, when there was free medicine, secondary education and higher education - those who passed the competition for admission to the university.
Also, under socialism, everyone was guaranteed a job, but at the same time unwillingness to work was legally punished - "the law on parasitism."
At the same time, there was a shortage of goods in stores, complex equipment like televisions or cars was expensive, difficult to buy and of poor quality.
Now almost the entire planet operates in a market economy, when it is easy to buy various goods, but you need to work hard and with high quality to ensure a decent standard of living, there is a strong stratification of society in terms of income and material status, and there is unemployment and unemployed.
Thus, socialism and capitalism have their disadvantages and advantages.
The question: how to combine the advantages of capitalism and socialism and get rid of their disadvantages - IMHO, can be solved by creating a "strong AI". Indeed, it is possible to build an economy where all goods will be produced by robots and robots will compete with each other to produce the best quality and cheapest goods for humans. People will receive Basic Income, which allows them to buy goods made by robots. Most likely, stratification in human society will take place, but even the poorest will receive Basic Income in order to maintain a minimum consumer level. Hunger, disease, poverty will become a thing of the past. People will be freed from the need to look for work and work to feed themselves.
Who will pay for the robots and where is the incentive for improvement? The US currently has those incentives in place AND a safety net in the form of federal and state social programs at this time. I prefer a free market economy.
 

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I have long predicted a point in which a Basic Income will be provided for the population. There will simply not be enough work for everyone to be employed.

And technology has already been the single biggest cause of unemployment. The number of people who lost work due to automation is greater than the number of jobs lost to outsourcing.
I disagree as we become more dependent on automation it will create more jobs. Like plumbers now we'll have tech experts come to the house to fix WiFi, virtual reality, etc. If Self Driving cars come about we'll need more mechanics and garage spaces to store them. We will always need doctors, firemen, police officers, etc. Robots are not close to replacing those jobs yet. We are 1000s of years away from the basic income scenario IMO.
 

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I have long predicted a point in which a Basic Income will be provided for the population. There will simply not be enough work for everyone to be employed.

And technology has already been the single biggest cause of unemployment. The number of people who lost work due to automation is greater than the number of jobs lost to outsourcing.
Agreed
 

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Good luck with that. People who do nothing are worthless to society, so why would we pay people to do nothing? In the world you just described the people that own the machines would have every reason to destroy the freeloaders that produce nothing.

All the people who once worked assembly lines and worked in industrial plants would now fall into the category of "freeloaders"?
 

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What should the creation of AI lead to and how it will affect human society. I grew up in the USSR under socialism, when there was free medicine, secondary education and higher education - those who passed the competition for admission to the university.
Also, under socialism, everyone was guaranteed a job, but at the same time unwillingness to work was legally punished - "the law on parasitism."
At the same time, there was a shortage of goods in stores, complex equipment like televisions or cars was expensive, difficult to buy and of poor quality.
Now almost the entire planet operates in a market economy, when it is easy to buy various goods, but you need to work hard and with high quality to ensure a decent standard of living, there is a strong stratification of society in terms of income and material status, and there is unemployment and unemployed.
Thus, socialism and capitalism have their disadvantages and advantages.
The question: how to combine the advantages of capitalism and socialism and get rid of their disadvantages - IMHO, can be solved by creating a "strong AI". Indeed, it is possible to build an economy where all goods will be produced by robots and robots will compete with each other to produce the best quality and cheapest goods for humans. People will receive Basic Income, which allows them to buy goods made by robots. Most likely, stratification in human society will take place, but even the poorest will receive Basic Income in order to maintain a minimum consumer level. Hunger, disease, poverty will become a thing of the past. People will be freed from the need to look for work and work to feed themselves.
Who will pay for the robots and where is the incentive for improvement? The US currently has those incentives in place AND a safety net in the form of federal and state social programs at this time. I prefer a free market economy.

The robots are cost effective replacements for human workers. No need for HR when your workforce is mechanical.

Also, a properly programed robot is far better at creating a product to tighter specs than a human worker is. And can do it 24/7, without breaks, vacations or overtime.
 

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I have long predicted a point in which a Basic Income will be provided for the population. There will simply not be enough work for everyone to be employed.

And technology has already been the single biggest cause of unemployment. The number of people who lost work due to automation is greater than the number of jobs lost to outsourcing.
I disagree as we become more dependent on automation it will create more jobs. Like plumbers now we'll have tech experts come to the house to fix WiFi, virtual reality, etc. If Self Driving cars come about we'll need more mechanics and garage spaces to store them. We will always need doctors, firemen, police officers, etc. Robots are not close to replacing those jobs yet. We are 1000s of years away from the basic income scenario IMO.

In a factory setting, you would have 100 robots replacing 200 workers. And a maintenance staff of 4 or 5 to keep it running.

A driverless car will need mechanics, yes. But far fewer mechanics will be needed than there are people making a living driving.

Yes, we will always need some jobs that are done by people. But those will be a small percentage of the population.
 

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I have long predicted a point in which a Basic Income will be provided for the population. There will simply not be enough work for everyone to be employed.

And technology has already been the single biggest cause of unemployment. The number of people who lost work due to automation is greater than the number of jobs lost to outsourcing.
When there is simply not enough work for everyone, there will be work for everyone, at the point of a gun by the government. Socialism never works.
 

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I have long predicted a point in which a Basic Income will be provided for the population. There will simply not be enough work for everyone to be employed.

And technology has already been the single biggest cause of unemployment. The number of people who lost work due to automation is greater than the number of jobs lost to outsourcing.
When there is simply not enough work for everyone, there will be work for everyone, at the point of a gun. Socialism never works.

So when automation replaces workers, you think pointing a gun at them and forcing them to do work that is not needed is the answer? Or will be the answer?
 

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A market economy ensures that because of free enterprise the costs of products are low due to competition.
As for working hard, anyone that is lazy and doesn't want to do a decent day's work for a wage, doesn't deserve a "basic income." If you're lazy, no one's taxes should support you.
As for socialism in general, it's authoritarian (everyone "must" be in lock-step with the government), it's dictatorial (whatever the head of the socialist government says must be done, will be forced upon the public) it's oppressive/persecutorial (if you speak out against it, you end up in "re-education camps" or gulags) and it's murderous if you continue to want to stand up against a government that demands everyone obey all of its dictates. China, North Korea, the Old Soviet Union, et cetera, have collectively murdered tens of millions for simply wanting freedom.
 

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I have long predicted a point in which a Basic Income will be provided for the population. There will simply not be enough work for everyone to be employed.

And technology has already been the single biggest cause of unemployment. The number of people who lost work due to automation is greater than the number of jobs lost to outsourcing.
I disagree as we become more dependent on automation it will create more jobs. Like plumbers now we'll have tech experts come to the house to fix WiFi, virtual reality, etc. If Self Driving cars come about we'll need more mechanics and garage spaces to store them. We will always need doctors, firemen, police officers, etc. Robots are not close to replacing those jobs yet. We are 1000s of years away from the basic income scenario IMO.

In a factory setting, you would have 100 robots replacing 200 workers. And a maintenance staff of 4 or 5 to keep it running.

A driverless car will need mechanics, yes. But far fewer mechanics will be needed than there are people making a living driving.

Yes, we will always need some jobs that are done by people. But those will be a small percentage of the population.
Five years ago no one knew UBER and look at all those jobs...Milk Man no longer around, etc...Humans always find a way.
 

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I have long predicted a point in which a Basic Income will be provided for the population. There will simply not be enough work for everyone to be employed.

And technology has already been the single biggest cause of unemployment. The number of people who lost work due to automation is greater than the number of jobs lost to outsourcing.
I disagree as we become more dependent on automation it will create more jobs. Like plumbers now we'll have tech experts come to the house to fix WiFi, virtual reality, etc. If Self Driving cars come about we'll need more mechanics and garage spaces to store them. We will always need doctors, firemen, police officers, etc. Robots are not close to replacing those jobs yet. We are 1000s of years away from the basic income scenario IMO.

In a factory setting, you would have 100 robots replacing 200 workers. And a maintenance staff of 4 or 5 to keep it running.

A driverless car will need mechanics, yes. But far fewer mechanics will be needed than there are people making a living driving.

Yes, we will always need some jobs that are done by people. But those will be a small percentage of the population.
Yeah, when you have a government and teachers union producing morons, it will be hard to find good paying jobs for the mindless Democrat voters. Along with the influx of illegals who work cheap.

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What should the creation of AI lead to and how it will affect human society. I grew up in the USSR under socialism, when there was free medicine, secondary education and higher education - those who passed the competition for admission to the university.
Also, under socialism, everyone was guaranteed a job, but at the same time unwillingness to work was legally punished - "the law on parasitism."
At the same time, there was a shortage of goods in stores, complex equipment like televisions or cars was expensive, difficult to buy and of poor quality.
Now almost the entire planet operates in a market economy, when it is easy to buy various goods, but you need to work hard and with high quality to ensure a decent standard of living, there is a strong stratification of society in terms of income and material status, and there is unemployment and unemployed.
Thus, socialism and capitalism have their disadvantages and advantages.
The question: how to combine the advantages of capitalism and socialism and get rid of their disadvantages - IMHO, can be solved by creating a "strong AI". Indeed, it is possible to build an economy where all goods will be produced by robots and robots will compete with each other to produce the best quality and cheapest goods for humans. People will receive Basic Income, which allows them to buy goods made by robots. Most likely, stratification in human society will take place, but even the poorest will receive Basic Income in order to maintain a minimum consumer level. Hunger, disease, poverty will become a thing of the past. People will be freed from the need to look for work and work to feed themselves.

Behold the delusions of socialism.
 

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What should the creation of AI lead to and how it will affect human society. I grew up in the USSR under socialism, when there was free medicine, secondary education and higher education - those who passed the competition for admission to the university.
Socialism is slavery. People are resources, owned by the state.
Also, under socialism, everyone was guaranteed a job, but at the same time unwillingness to work was legally punished - "the law on parasitism."
Yep. That's pretty much the definition of slavery.
 

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In a factory setting, you would have 100 robots replacing 200 workers. And a maintenance staff of 4 or 5 to keep it running.

A driverless car will need mechanics, yes. But far fewer mechanics will be needed than there are people making a living driving.

Yes, we will always need some jobs that are done by people. But those will be a small percentage of the population.
Excellent points.
 

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Market economy is for robots, socialism is for people
The opposite is true....
So true, when the forced wages of 15 dollars eventually hits all fast food joints, instead of keeping low skill, low IQ, people, they will just automate as we are seeing the kiosks in McDonalds. Robots can prep food now. In Florida the greedy little pricks who voted for themselves to force small businesses to pay 15 dollars minimum wage, is going to rue the day, because the best will be kept, the slimeballs will be unemployed, uneducated, unskilled, undesirable.
 

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Market economy is for robots, socialism is for people
The opposite is true....
So true, when the forced wages of 15 dollars eventually hits all fast food joints, instead of keeping low skill, low IQ, people, they will just automate as we are seeing the kiosks in McDonalds. Robots can prep food now. In Florida the greedy little pricks who voted for themselves to force small businesses to pay 15 dollars minimum wage, is going to rue the day, because the best will be kept, the slimeballs will be unemployed, uneducated, unskilled, undesirable.

And wards of the state.
Just how dems/commies like it.
 

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