Mankeeping

[sparky]

You hear them pushing that as well, don't ya.

the sorts that say masculinity is toxic......

Mental illness is rising all around, especially in the younger generations.

For example, since the gender cult has been preached at your local state run school, gender confusion has risen 4000% amongst children and disproportionately effects girls, about 9 to 1.

You forgot the 'furries' and litter boxes in public schools Votto

All of this via mental health groomer manipulation......

~S~

 

[Anathema]

There's no such thing as "traditional gender roles and duties". What is considered a "tradition" or a "role" is going to very heavily from culture to culture.

There are biological differences between men and women, so there may be some things which women tend to naturally do at statistically higher rates than men, but this has nothing to do with reducing women as individuals to the level of archaic and repressive "roles".

Would you prefer I used the phrase “Western Fenderr Roles”? These woman fall even shorter when compared to Muddle Eastern or Far Eastern Gebder Roles.

You suggest that a traditional gender role is a reduction in the value of these women. I disagree completely. These tasks are things where women excel, far beyond the capabilities of almost all men.

No, the problem is that they're wasting time on these outdated gender roles and duties.

They’re going to find themselves on the road to crazy cat lady status if they don’t accept those roles. The days of the metrosexual, cucked baby man who puts up with shit from women is coming to an end. It had a good run for 25-30 years, but it’s over.

 

[initforme]

There atre stay at home dads raising kids if the mother is out making big money. Its not common but does exist. Its not a bad thing. Uncommon though. It takes two 6 figure salaries to make things go today to get ahead.

 

[Dekster]

I must admit this OP kinda amazed me as I don't see it in our life or our extended family's life. Been married over half a century and maybe in that time humans have changed or is it just another OP about nothing real. Is it?.


'Mankeeping: why single women are giving up dating'

'As the male social circle continues to shrink, their partners have to take on much more emotional labour – and many are opting to spend their lives alone instead'

Mankeeping: why single women are giving up dating

As the male social circle continues to shrink, their partners have to take on much more emotional labour – and many are opting to spend their lives alone instead

www.theguardian.com

'The Christian right has set the US on the road to Gilead. Without a fight, other nations may follow'

The Christian right has set the US on the road to Gilead. Without a fight, other nations may follow | Deborah Frances-White

Women’s rights – especially abortion – are truly at risk, says writer and broadcaster Deborah Frances-White

www.theguardian.com

'Mankeeping Is Why Women Are Done With Dating'

Mankeeping Is Why Women Are Done With Dating

Researchers at Stanford have finally given a name to something many women have been dealing with for years. It’s called mankeeping.

www.vice.com

Women blaming men for all their woes is nothing new.

 

[initforme]

Women blaming men for all their woes is nothing new.

I get a laugh when someone says "war on men". Its so stupid. Those poor poor dears.

 

[Midnight FM]

Would you prefer I used the phrase “Western Fenderr Roles”? These woman fall even shorter when compared to Muddle Eastern or Far Eastern Gebder Roles.

You suggest that a traditional gender role is a reduction in the value of these women. I disagree completely. These tasks are things where women excel, far beyond the capabilities of almost all men.

What you're saying simply isn't substantiated. There are more than enough women in roles such as entrepreneur and CEO, and women in such roles excel at them far beyond what the average man would.

They’re going to find themselves on the road to crazy cat lady status if they don’t accept those roles. The days of the metrosexual, cucked baby man who puts up with shit from women is coming to an end. It had a good run for 25-30 years, but it’s over.

Not substantiated either. There's no shortage in people who are married or dating. And the "men" who say absurd things like this are just men who women wouldn't want or need to begin with, so it doesn't matter.

 

[initforme]

Not substantiated either. There's no shortage in people who are married or dating.
[/QUOTE]


Even if there is a "shortage"....whats the difference?

 

[Midnight FM]

There atre stay at home dads raising kids if the mother is out making big money. Its not common but does exist. Its not a bad thing. Uncommon though. It takes two 6 figure salaries to make things go today to get ahead.

No, it simply takes people spending less than they earn.

 

[Midnight FM]

you think our LAWMAKERS, define our culture and not hte people as a whole?


No system is any better than the people who make it up. If the people who make it up are a bunch of hard core lefties like yourself, then the system will be a hard core lefty shit hole, of oppression and genocide.

Oh please, you know nothing about what you say.

Ah, the old leftie ploy of denying that western culture even exists. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You know nothing about "Western culture". Western culture dates as far back as the earliest Greek philosophers, such as Plato and Aristotle. While contemporary Western culture's notion of having rights and freedoms can be traced to the Enlightenment.

You are completely uneducated on the subject you speak of. It's a minority of influential thinking men and women who have done the most to shape a culture and its values. The "average person" has little effect on it.

The more you say shit that is clearly not reality, the more you demostrate how sick and deluded your ideas are.



And the more you talk, the more we see that your... word salad of "Self actualize" is actually just you hating your own culture and WANTING TO SEE IT DIE.

While I, and MAGA, love our culture and our people adn want to see them and it THRIVE.

You can't love a culture you have no knowledge of.

Many people who identify with MAGA are idiots and the decay of their society and culture (think Neo-Nazis). We'd be better off getting rid of them and replacing them with immigrants who offer something of value.

First of all, calling mothers "breeders" is a YOU thing, not me or mine.

Second of all, as a part of MAGA, I have quite a bit of say on our laws and institutions, and I want them to THRIVE and GROW, while you clearly want US to DIE.

People migrate here for economic opportunties, because their cultures at home, produced proverty ridden shitholes.

YOU hate our culture adn the FREEDOMS that it produced. YOu clearly are some form of lefty marxist, who wants to see our culture die, and be replaces with some Third World shit culture when your lefty agenda will be considered acceptable.

More uneducated nonsense and paranoia. It's always uneducated idiots who know nothing of "their own culture" and contribute nothing of value to it who say things like this.

They offer THEIR culture. I value OUR culture adn want OUR culture to THRIVE and GROW.

There is no hard difference between "their and ours". Our culture holds all men and women to be created equal before the law, regardless of their background.

Our culture is one of humanism, something which you clearly reject.

I see that you used your magic word. I don't care about your belief in teh power of that word. So...yeah, we're good. Please keep talking. You are making my case for me far better than I could have made it.


DO YOU IDENTIFY AS A COMMUNIST?

The reality is that it's the skin color that bothers people like you.

Sorry, but there's nothing you can do. You can't force people to breed or not to breed based on their skin color, and you can't stop people from legally immigrating here. You'll just have to deal with it.[/quote]

 

[Anathema]

What you're saying simply isn't substantiated. There are more than enough women in roles such as entrepreneur and CEO, and women in such roles excel at them far beyond what the average man would

It’s not about what they CAN do. It’s about what they SHOULD be doing. Those women excel because they’ve sold their souls and their lives to upgrade their careers.

Not substantiated either. There's no shortage in people who are married or dating. And the "men" who say absurd things like this are just men who women wouldn't want or need to begin with, so it doesn't matter

Tell that to my wife of 11 years.

 

[Correll]

There is no duty to have kids. Its a choice. Have them if onevwants, or dont. Just take care of them if you have them. Theres really no "crisis" here.

1. No one said anything about a duty.

2. There clearly is a crisis. People are lonely and sad, men and women. Whole nations are failing to maintain replacement levels.

3. Lefties hate western culture because of our love of freedom, which is a problem for their utopian murder dreams.

 

[Correll]

Oh please, you know nothing about what you say.


You know nothing about "Western culture". Western culture dates as far back as the earliest Greek philosophers, such as Plato and Aristotle. While contemporary Western culture's notion of having rights and freedoms can be traced to the Enlightenment.

You are completely uneducated on the subject you speak of. It's a minority of influential thinking men and women who have done the most to shape a culture and its values. The "average person" has little effect on it.

That's dumb. Culture is a set of beliefs and practices, ranging from, laws, as you cited, down to music and crusine. To say that intellectual elite are the ones that shape a culture is just clearly false.

Look at FOOD as an example. FOOD is certainly something that is driven by local factors such as food avaliablity, clearly, but it is the bulk of homemakers who take that food and prepare meals for their families, that drive a culture's crusine.

Millions of MOMS deciding how to feed their children and husbands that made hamburgers and apple pie part of AMERICAN CULTURE, that you claim doesn't even exist... like a fool.

You can't love a culture you have no knowledge of.

Now that is a very interesting and revealing claim on your part.

Let's assume for the sake of discussion, that you were correct, that I was ignorant of my own culture, which you deny exists.

There is nothing about me being ignorant, that means I could not still love my culture, even if my understanding of it was deeply flawed.

Love is often blind. That's a TRUISM. Yet, here you are denying it.

Your point is clearly false. BUT, that is because it is not an actual "point" in that you making a debating point.

All you are really doing is spamming negs, as a form of propaganda.

Many people who identify with MAGA are idiots and the decay of their society and culture (think Neo-Nazis). We'd be better off getting rid of them and replacing them with immigrants who offer something of value.

Here again, we see how you hate Americans and America. You again make a reference to REPLACING us, with immigrants, in a thread where you are encouraging western women to NOT HAVE CHILDREN.

More uneducated nonsense and paranoia. It's always uneducated idiots who know nothing of "their own culture" and contribute nothing of value to it who say things like this.


There is no hard difference between "their and ours". Our culture holds all men and women to be created equal before the law, regardless of their background.

Well, this makes no sense. You are claiming, absurdly, that there is no differnce between our culture and theirs, when you deny that we HAVE a culture.

Our culture DOES hold that all men and women are to be equal before the law, many cultures do NOT hold to that. That would be a big difference.

FOr one example. Which disproves your very stupid claim right there.

Our culture is one of humanism, something which you clearly reject.

An odd claim. Is this just shit talk, or would you like to back it up with something?

The reality is that it's the skin color that bothers people like you.

Oh, you back it up with your magic word. Yeah, don't care. YOu said nothing of value there.

Sorry, but there's nothing you can do. You can't force people to breed or not to breed based on their skin color, and you can't stop people from legally immigrating here. You'll just have to deal with it.

1. I'm not trying to force anyone to breed. I am arguing that having families is rewarding to men and women and encouraging young people to do that. you are ridiculing and attacking women who choose to become mothers. In support of your overall desire, often expressed in this thread, to see our culture, which you deny even exists, to die out and be replaced by third world immigrants.

2. We CAN stop people from immigranting legally. And we should. And the sooner the better. The mass migration that has been a policy of the first world for the last 60 years was retarded nonsense pushed by ******* idiots.

 

[Correll]

Holding off on marriage until later is not a bad thing. Its sensible.

I've seen people hold off, and then find out that they held out too long. They finally move to have children and it is too late. Or a major health issue arises and they realize that their window closed before they even realized it.


That's a win for the people like midnight fm. He wants to see our culture die out. He has been pretty clear about that.


People getting old, alone, while their friends are raising families.

To him, that's a win. To me, that's a .tragedy.

 

[Dekster]

I get a laugh when someone says "war on men". Its so stupid. Those poor poor dears.

Except I didn't say a thing about a war on men. Women invent and invite their own problems quite nicely all on their own and then blame other people.

 

[MayorQuimby]

The facts are simple.

Having children, at a minimum, is simply a biological imperative shared with animals. Women in undeveloped countries have more children because their rights and freedoms are denied, and they are encouraged to be breeding stock based on archaic ideas about what men and women should do.

We want people to aspire to be more than just animals:

If you want people to be more than just animals, then shouldn't you be encouraging them to develop themselves spiritually, such as by becoming Christian? I know that feminism doesn't explicitly say anything about Christianity, but it still falls under the general umbrella of Leftism, and we all know how hostile the Left is to Christianity.

I don't think you lefties actually care about encouraging women to be more than just animals. You just want to encourage them to get into the work-force so that they will have less time making (white) babies.

You haven't substantiated that "feminism" as a whole is entirely against women having children. So just another strawman from you.

Literally nobody said feminism is "entirely against women having children". Stop making up your own strawman argument. You lefties are so dishonest, it's disgusting.

Secondly, feminism doesn't "entirely" discourage women from having children....I mean, this is something we should be celebrating about, I suppose, you filthy lefty?

Regardless, actualizing one's rights and freedoms is superior, so why wouldn't people push women to be that?

I have noticed you lefties and filthy ******* feds always like to talk this way. "Actualizing rights and freedoms". Just a pile of pretty words that merely sound good, but when you poke at it with a stick, you will see that there is absolutely no meaning behind them. Whatever the **** is "actualizing one's rights"? Women already have all the rights in our current Western society, and literally nobody is denying them of any rights. Seriously, please tell me, you filthy fed: What do you mean by women "actualizing" their rights? And cite a case where men are actively trying to take rights away from women to such an extent that your filthy, crippled, blackened little fed heart felt the need to scream that women need to actualize their rights.

It's a far better alternative than pushing them to be breeding stock.

Ah, yes, putting a negative spin. It's what you feds do best, because you learn from you Jew masters.

Look, I have already told you, stop putting a negative spin on motherhood. And I don't mean that you have to respect it, I know that you don't have it in you to respect anything wholesome, but rather, I am telling you that it's incredibly unproductive, because I could just as well put a positive spin on it--women should take on the sacred role of propagating the human species and continuing the bloodline of the men they love by having children. See? I can do it, too, you ******* fed.

Actualizing one's rights and freedoms is superior to merely "breeding". We have plenty of people in 3rd world countries creating people, and those countries offer little in the way of rights, freedoms, and quality of life.

Maybe it's because people in 3rd world countries are genetically inferior, and just generally undesirable people, compared to white people. So shouldn't you be encouraging white women to have babies more, and take you feminism-pushing garbage to the 3rd world, where it's truly needed?

Developed cultures aren't anywhere close to dying out.

I bet you are one of those people who, as long as there is still one white person around, would say that "the West is technically not extinct yet".

You ******* filthy fed. It doesn't matter how we define "die out". The important thing is that, given current demographic trend, the West is on its way to greatly diminished influence. Maybe it won't literally die out, in the sense that there will still probably be some white people around, however, their number and proportion will be so small, that their influence will no longer be felt. Honestly, do you want to live in a world like that, you ******* fed trash?

Then get over your outdated, racist sentiments and just accept that people, regardless of their familial background are capable of actualizing their rights and freedoms under the law.

Stop bleating about "actualizing rights". Let me ask you, which darkie in a white country has been actively prevented from exercising his rights and freedoms?

If women can aspire to higher things than being mothers, I see nothing wrong with that.

I aspire to ******* you feds up good and proper. Do you applaud that, too, you ******* fed?

Actually, many of those 3rd-worlders are much more actualized individuals than many Americans are

If you think the 3rd-worlders are so wonderful, why aren't you relocating to some 3rd world hellhole yet?

If we could import more of them, and deport our Neo-Nazi population to some prison colony, we would be better all.

Why do you get to have your way, but we don't get to have ours? What if we want to deport shits like you to some prison colony, and import more Nordics to the West?

Not true at all. Much of our culture is defined by rights and freedoms under the law. Its is our lawmakers who make and persevere such things, not the mass population, who in the past has often been uneducated and illiterate.

But lawmakers do not always preserve our rights and freedoms, and it is sometimes up to those of us among the masses to keep a watchful eye on them, and punish them severely, whenever they step out of line.

The way you suck the dick of authorities leaves me with no doubt that you are an under-cover fed. I guess your fed bosses must be really panicking now. Sending agent after agent to online forums where white dudes gather. Poor little Jews and their short, scrawny, physically unattractive fed underlings who literally feel threatened by the superior white men. If I were you, I would literally commit suicide so as to spare myself from the pain of perpetual, life-long inferiority.

There is no such thing as "Western culture", beyond what some uneducated idiot on the internet falsely claims it to be, and Western culture, if anything, is defined by humanistic values which consider all men and women to be created equal under the law.

This foregoing paragraph (of utter garbage) basically reads like this: First of all, "Western culture" doesn't exist. But, on the other hand, it sort of exists, because it does, and I simply cannot deny it, despite my tremendous capability to lie, so I will just try and define it the way I want, because I have this tendency to put myself in the saddle, and declare myself the authority of every and anything, because I am a ******* filthy lefty and/or a fed.

It's not as though the average person is particularly well-educated on culture, Western or otherwise, to begin with, or could even attempt to give a reasonable definition, particularly given how diverse contemporary culture in the Western world is.

It is indeed not easy to define what culture is, however, that does not mean that one's culture does not exist. For example, if you go to China, and ask people to define "Chinese culture", I bet 99% of the time, you won't get a good answer. But if you bray that Chinese culture doesn't exist, you will get beaten to a bloody pulp by the Chinese. So you only come over here to spew your garbage in the West, because you know white people won't bruise up your useless, worthless, weak body.

It isn't defined by your outdated, racist sentiments, and there's nothing you can do to turn back the tide.

I don't care how "Western culture" is defined, and I also don't care that "racist sentiments" make your eyes well up. What I do know is that life in the West is infinitely better than anywhere else in the world, and that's why every shade of darkie wants to come here, and not even as consummate of a liar like you can deny this, or spin your way out of it. Aww, poor little fed, he is once again confronted with the superiority of white men. I wonder when he is going to commit the sorely needed suicide?

Cultures dying out and being replaced with superior ones is good for social evolution.

Yes, which is why I advocate the revival of imperialism, and Aryan expansionism in general. White people should once again colonize the world and spread their superior cultures. Finally we agree on something!

In the words of Ivan Drago, "if it dies, it dies".

And if you lie, you lie. Have we learned anything from this? No, none whatsoever.

Ivan Drago.....he is not Jewish, is he?

I mean, we have uneducated idiots like you who know nothing about "Western culture" and who wish to relegate women to the role of breeders, and it's not like you as an individual have any say on our laws and institution.

And if women don't become mothers, er, I mean, if they don't become "breeders", what do you suggest they do? Oh that's right, just go to work like the good little slave that they are, make money, eat delicious food, drink wine and **** an endless succession of men. How is this different from being an animal? The only thing that separates this kind of lifestyle from being an animals that it is done with a higher degree of intelligence. But everything else is purely Darwinian: work, food, sex. At least with "breeding", you get to propagate the species.

People migrate here to enjoy our freedoms.

And why do they have to migrate here in order to enjoy freedoms? Is it because there are no freedoms in their shit-hole home countries? And that only white people can build societies that have rights?

And many people who come here from foreign countries are well-educated and offer quite a bit to our culture:

You need to look at the ratio of well-educated, productive immigrants, versus the ones who are a net negative. I'd say the latter outnumbers the former.

They're much more valuable to our society than white trash.

Of course good immigrants are more valuable than white trash. However, the West is made up of more than white trash. There are some truly fine white individuals, who build and maintain civilization. Why do you deliberately overlook these people, and just hold up the trash as if they were the only whites we would see in the West?

The problem is that racists having been saying the same thing as yourself since the days the KKK was influential, such as how they feared that the immigration of Irish Catholics would destroy whatever they erroneously believed their culture to be, and it's been just as impotent as the slop you're regurgitating.

Look, nobody wants their country to be filled with darkies, OK? I mean, I am not even white myself, and even I don't want anything to do with darkies.

Maybe you simply need to make peace with the fact that nobody likes darkies. The sooner you do this, the sooner your butt will stop hurting.

What you're saying simply isn't substantiated. There are more than enough women in roles such as entrepreneur and CEO,

I doubt it. And even if this is true, how many of them are DEI hires? Further, the most successful of female CEOs still do not compare to male CEOs, both in terms of number, as well as level of success.

and women in such roles excel at them far beyond what the average man would.

Wow...."intelligent women are smarter than unintelligent men". You honestly don't feel bad about filling up web spaces with such useless garbage?

Question for you fed/lefty: When you compare intelligent men to intelligent women, which of them do you think are 1. more numerous, and 2. achieve more and greater things? Be honest, I know this would kill you literally, but just try anyway.

Not substantiated either. There's no shortage in people who are married or dating. And the "men" who say absurd things like this are just men who women wouldn't want or need to begin with, so it doesn't matter.

Well, I am a woman, so what I have to say on this probably carries a bit of weight. So brace yourself lefty, the following is about make you cry (more than usual):

While I don't want to be "dominated" by a man per se, I nevertheless would prefer a man who acts like a real man. And by that I don't mean acting like a sexist pig, but rather, someone who has integrity, honor, and courage. If I do or say things that I know are wrong, I expect him to put me in my place, because if he doesn't, I actually lose respect. Again, I want to emphasize that I am not looking to be "dominated" or be made subordinate. But rather, a man who will take crap from his woman, or indeed from anybody at all, does not deserve any respect, and he will lose the interest of a quality woman.

Oh please, you know nothing about what you say.


You know nothing about "Western culture". Western culture dates as far back as the earliest Greek philosophers, such as Plato and Aristotle. While contemporary Western culture's notion of having rights and freedoms can be traced to the Enlightenment.

That's a pretty weird and furthermore, unilateral way of defining western culture. The way I see it, whenever there is a sizable amount of white people, there is Western culture. For example, if there is a lot of Germans, then there is German culture, which is a subset of western culture. The Celts, Celtic culture. The Brits, the British culture, and so on and so forth. I don't see the point of restricting the definition of western culture to particular periods of time in the past, because it seems pretty arbitrary. Why don't you define it by the culture that prevailed during the Middle ages? It was just as western as the one during the Greek period or the contemporary period. So, it's like I said, it's entirely arbitrary. I bet you said what you said because most people you have ever encountered were less intelligent than you were, so you were able to blind them with the amount of history knowledge that you managed to acquire, and predictably, this puffs up your ego. Unfortunately for you feds though, I exist.

You are completely uneducated on the subject you speak of. It's a minority of influential thinking men and women who have done the most to shape a culture and its values. The "average person" has little effect on it.

And were these influential thinking men and women white? I bet they were. Oops, need yet more Kleenex?

You can't love a culture you have no knowledge of.

What makes you think he has no knowledge of western culture but you do? Just because you took some history classes while at university? Such arrogance.

Many people who identify with MAGA are idiots and the decay of their society and culture (think Neo-Nazis). We'd be better off getting rid of them and replacing them with immigrants who offer something of value.

But people like you are trash, therefore your opinion can be discounted. In fact, whoever you decry, is what we should have more of.

The reality is that it's the skin color that bothers people like you.

I am not white and dark skin bothers me, too. I think it's human nature. Human nature naturally dislikes dark skin. Therefore, white people should not be blamed for disliking dark-skinned immigrants.

Sorry, but there's nothing you can do. You can't force people to breed or not to breed based on their skin color, and you can't stop people from legally immigrating here.

Why not? What if we make our lawmakers change the immigration laws to prevent darkies from coming here?

You'll just have to deal with it.

Why?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Holding off on marriage until later is not a bad thing. Its sensible.

Not always. My daughter regrets waiting. Quite a bit. She is now 34, they had a daughter 4 years ago. She always planned on having two, but now can't. Things happen to women that can end pregnancies and ability to carry a child, things that develop later and almost never when young.

 

[initforme]

Not always. My daughter regrets waiting. Quite a bit. She is now 34, they had a daughter 4 years ago. She always planned on having two, but now can't. Things happen to women that can end pregnancies and ability to carry a child, things that develop later and almost never when young.

True. On the other hand, its good to have a degree to fall back on should the marriage end. Working for 20 dollars per hour wont cut it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

'The Christian right has set the US on the road to Gilead.

Too late – the US has already arrived at Gilead, the consequence of the Christo-fascist right and their conservative enablers.

 

[initforme]

I've seen people hold off, and then find out that they held out too long. They finally move to have children and it is too late. Or a major health issue arises and they realize that their window closed before they even realized it.


That's a win for the people like midnight fm. He wants to see our culture die out. He has been pretty clear about that.


People getting old, alone, while their friends are raising families.

To him, that's a win. To me, that's a .tragedy.

Our culture isnt going to die out from a few less births. In todays world before one gets married they learn a skill or degree so if the marriage fails they dont end up working a medium paying job. Thats punishment.

 

[initforme]

1. No one said anything about a duty.

2. There clearly is a crisis. People are lonely and sad, men and women. Whole nations are failing to maintain replacement levels.

3. Lefties hate western culture because of our love of freedom, which is a problem for their utopian murder dreams.

If one is lonely thats on them. A choice. They arent entitled to another fir a mate. Freedom means having the choice. Its a wondrrful thing. This trend is going to continue to grow. Just the way its going to be. Freedom provides many a route. We emphasize work waaaaaay over the family. So the family part is giving way. Perhaps we need to place alot less expectations on people.