Mankeeping

[Correll]

No, feminism doesn’t demand stay at home moms. It demeans people that think women should aspire to be stay at home moms.

Midnight FM, is demeaning women who want to be motthers, in this very thread now. You are simply saying something that isn't true.

FEMINISM is not about women having a choice. It is about pushing women to be what FEMINISTS wants them to be.

The people demeaning women for their choices are you and Vance. Feminism opposes people like you that claim to know what a woman should want.

So, you want a situation where your side is allowed to tell women what they should want, and the other side is supposed to just stay quiet?

Your request is denied.

The fact that Andrew Tate is so popular indicates there are a lot of bad and toxic men out there. There’s a lot of bad and toxic women out there too.

Does that offend you?

No, it doesn't offend me, because I think it is not true.

 

[Correll]

Most women in the developed world have a career of some sort, and that's a good thing, and, historically, women who were born into wealthy and well-educated families had the opportunity for education and successful careers.

And if feminism simply illustrates the reality that having life ambitions is superior to merely producing offspring, or attacks outdated cultural phenomena that encourage women to reduce themselves to breeding stock, that's also a good thing.

"Breeding stock", "outdated cultural phenomena"....

Good, good. THanks for making my point for me. You are doing great.

I have no idea who "Vance is". And I'm curious what the actual demographics of the "cat ladies" you speak of are. We have far more of an epidemic of excessive breeding than we do of people not breeding enough.

No, we have a breakdown of dating/mating caused by people like you, who talk shit to young women and men.

I'm not aware of a feminist narrative that men are "bad or toxic". You may find some oddball on the internet or elsewhere saying that, but the term "toxic masculinity" does not refer to "men" being toxic, it refers to behaviors that are deemed toxic, such as assuming that a man can't have any interest in a woman other than sex.

The best you could argue is that some aspects of feminism are tribalistic and pit women and men against each other, but, naturally, this would not be the entirety of what can be described as "feminism".

It is the feminist movement generally speaking. The more reasonable feminists that you are falsely trying to lay claim for, are mostly long dead of old age. Those feminists were from long, long ago.

Today it is about hating men. And women who don't conform to YOUR expectations.

You haven't substantiated who this alleged "anti-male left" consists of. Seems like a strawman to me.

Said the man who is demonstrating the behavior I have described.

 

[Midnight FM]

Midnight FM, is demeaning women who want to be motthers, in this very thread now. You are simply saying something that isn't true.

The facts are simple.

Having children, at a minimum, is simply a biological imperative shared with animals. Women in undeveloped countries have more children because their rights and freedoms are denied, and they are encouraged to be breeding stock based on archaic ideas about what men and women should do.

We want people to aspire to be more than just animals:

FEMINISM is not about women having a choice. It is about pushing women to be what FEMINISTS wants them to be.

You haven't substantiated that "feminism" as a whole is entirely against women having children. So just another strawman from you.

Regardless, actualizing one's rights and freedoms is superior, so why wouldn't people push women to be that? It's a far better alternative than pushing them to be breeding stock.

 

[Midnight FM]

"Breeding stock", "outdated cultural phenomena"....

Good, good. THanks for making my point for me. You are doing great.

I'm just being blunt.

No, we have a breakdown of dating/mating caused by people like you, who talk shit to young women and men.

No we don't. Your fearmongering and haven't substantiated that.

The reality is that most people are still dating and getting married.

It is the feminist movement generally speaking. The more reasonable feminists that you are falsely trying to lay claim for, are mostly long dead of old age. Those feminists were from long, long ago.

Today it is about hating men. And women who don't conform to YOUR expectations.

The reality is that, on the whole, the ones trying to make women conform to their expectations are people who have outdated views on what men and women should do, and may even try to enforce it by law. This is the case not only in the developed world, but the undeveloped world as well, as we can see in the Islamic world, for example.

If there are a segment of individuals who do believe that "no one should have children", they are a fringe minority.

So you're balking about something which isn't a problem, while ignoring something which actually is. But that's not surprising, since lots of people love to balk and spread fear about things which are more or less a non-issue.

 

[Correll]

The facts are simple.

Having children, at a minimum, is simply a biological imperative shared with animals. Women in undeveloped countries have more children because their rights and freedoms are denied, and they are encouraged to be breeding stock based on archaic ideas about what men and women should do.

We want people to aspire to be more than just animals:

Having children is a blessing. I love my child. My wife loves our child. Us having a family was... the best thing that ever happened to us.

YOur talk on motherhood is... not good. It reflects the... toxic feminism of which I have been discussing.

It is hard to describe such... bad ideas, because the things I say about you and yours, just don't sound believable.

BUT, you are doing a great job of proving my point for me. The shit you are saying is just the type of shit I was talking about.


Degrading mothers to being "animals". or "breeding stock"?

Thanks.

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You haven't substantiated that "feminism" as a whole is entirely against women having children. So just another strawman from you.

I guess I didn't. But luckily you were here to do it for me, far better than I ever could have.

Regardless, actualizing one's rights and freedoms is superior, so why wouldn't people push women to be that? It's a far better alternative than pushing them to be breeding stock.

Wasting your prime fertinity years, bulding a career, or worse, just working a job, when you could be creating PEOPLE, and building families,

is not "superior".

 

[Zincwarrior]

Er the ACTUAL ARTICLE. Is about how men increasing suck being more isolated and women don't have to be their mommies.

 

[Midnight FM]

Having children is a blessing. I love my child. My wife loves our child. Us having a family was... the best thing that ever happened to us.

YOur talk on motherhood is... not good. It reflects the... toxic feminism of which I have been discussing.

It is hard to describe such... bad ideas, because the things I say about you and yours, just don't sound believable.

BUT, you are doing a great job of proving my point for me. The shit you are saying is just the type of shit I was talking about.


Degrading mothers to being "animals". or "breeding stock"?

Thanks.

It's pretty simple.

Animals are capable of breeding. They aren't capable of inventing things like computers.

I would argue that the latter is a superior aspect of the human condition than just breeding.

I guess I didn't. But luckily you were here to do it for me, far better than I ever could have.

Wasting your prime fertinity years, bulding a career, or worse, just working a job, when you could be creating PEOPLE, and building families,

is not "superior".

We have more than enough people creating people, including those who are too incompetent to raise or support them well.

Actualizing one's rights and freedoms is superior to merely "breeding". We have plenty of people in 3rd world countries creating people, and those countries offer little in the way of rights, freedoms, and quality of life.

 

[Correll]

Er the ACTUAL ARTICLE. Is about how men increasing suck being more isolated and wome

don't have to be their mommies.

Sounds dumb. And not really relevant to reality.

 

[Correll]

It's pretty simple.

Animals are capable of breeding. They aren't capable of inventing things like computers.

I would argue that the latter is a superior aspect of the human condition than just breeding.

Exactly. You DO argue that.

When I said that about people like you, people didn't believe me. THey talked nonsense about feminists just wanting women to have choices and respecting the choices they made.

You clearly don't respect women who choose to be moms.


I do.

We have more than enough people creating people, including those who are too incompetent to raise or support them well.

Not one first world nation, has replacement level fertility.

Your claim is simply false.

Actualizing one's rights and freedoms is superior to merely "breeding".

"Actualizing one's rights"? HAHAHAHA.

Talk like a real ******* person. YOu want women to get out there in the work force and work instead of having families.

We have plenty of people in 3rd world countries creating people,

Spoken like a lefty who thinks that people are interchangable inputs into their systems, instead of what make up the world.

You see developed cultures dying out, and you think that is fine, because there are plenty of third worlders to fill those slots.

and those countries offer little in the way of rights, freedoms, and quality of life.

And you want a future where those cultures define the globe instead of Western Cultures?


I don't. I want the men and women of America today, to have families and for our decendants to rule this land and to be free and prosperous, forever.

 

[Midnight FM]

Exactly. You DO argue that.

When I said that about people like you, people didn't believe me. THey talked nonsense about feminists just wanting women to have choices and respecting the choices they made.

You clearly don't respect women who choose to be moms.


I do.

Your fearmongering is displaced.

It should be directed at people who don't respect women who self-actualize or aspire to be more than breeding stock.

Not one first world nation, has replacement level fertility.

Your claim is simply false.

It doesn't need to. The population is excessively large today compared to what it's been at any point in history. A little downsizing would potentially do some good.

"Actualizing one's rights"? HAHAHAHA.

Talk like a real ******* person. YOu want women to get out there in the work force and work instead of having families.

That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Women are better able to self-actualize by having their own income. Not that the two things are mutually exclusive to begin with.

Spoken like a lefty who thinks that people are interchangable inputs into their systems, instead of what make up the world.

You see developed cultures dying out, and you think that is fine, because there are plenty of third worlders to fill those slots.

Developed cultures aren't anywhere close to dying out. And immigrants from 3rd world cultures will hopefully adapt and begin to actualize their rights and freedoms, and aspire to more than merely breeding.

And you want a future where those cultures define the globe instead of Western Cultures?

If "Western culture" (whatever that is) can't complete on a level playing field, then maybe it will "die" out. That's just evolution in action, so don't get to attached to it. But I don't think our rights and freedoms are going anywhere.

I don't. I want the men and women of America today, to have families and for our decendants to rule this land and to be free and prosperous, forever.

Then get over your outdated, racist sentiments and just accept that people, regardless of their familial background are capable of actualizing their rights and freedoms under the law.

 

[Correll]

Your fearmongering is displaced.

It should be directed at people who don't respect women who self-actualize or aspire to be more than breeding stock.

"Fearmongering"? I've made the point that feminists hold mothers in contempt adn are encouraging young women to NOT be mothers.

EVERYTHING you have said, has demonstrated my point.

It doesn't need to. The population is excessively large today compared to what it's been at any point in history. A little downsizing would potentially do some good.

That is your opinion. It also ignores the millions and millions of women (and men) who are NOT having families, due to your bad ideas.

And the heartbreak and sadness that causes them.

That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Women are better able to self-actualize by having their own income. Not that the two things are mutually exclusive to begin with.

Drop the pycho babble. YOu want young women to stay in school and then get jobs instead of getting married and having families.

And if they do choose families, you will ridicule them as "breeding stock".

Developed cultures aren't anywhere close to dying out.

South Korea is. Europe is being swarmed by shitty third worlders.

And immigrants from 3rd world cultures will hopefully adapt and begin to actualize their rights and freedoms, and aspire to more than merely breeding.

Cultures are nothing but the beliefs and practices of a population.

YOu REPLACE the population, the culture is then going to be what the new people are.

Your "hope" that they "Adapt" is nonsense. Your support of Third World mass migration is nothing but hatred of WESTERN CULTURE.

If "Western culture" (whatever that is) can't complete on a level playing field, then maybe it will "die" out. That's just evolution in action, so don't get to attached to it

LOL. The results of your beliefs are your own culture dying out, yet you don't even want for people like me to be able to DISCUSS the issue.

And your response to your own culture dying is just to dismiss it.

That not healthy. Hell, it is actually a completely failure of you and your culture to "Self actualize".

It is self harm. It is self suicide.

. But I don't think our rights and freedoms are going anywhere.

Of course they will. As our cultures become more and more that of the Third World populations moving into our territories, our laws will change to be more like the shitty third world.


You know that. That is why lefties support mass migration. THe FREEDOMS of Americans and to a lesser extent, Europeans citizens are PROBLEMS for lefties.

Then get over your outdated, racist sentiments

Hahahahaha. you used your magic word!!! HAHAAHAHAHA.

Shove it, leftard.

and just accept that people, regardless of their familial background are capable of actualizing their rights and freedoms under the law.

More word salad.

You are giving bad advice to people.

 

[Midnight FM]

"Fearmongering"? I've made the point that feminists hold mothers in contempt adn are encouraging young women to NOT be mothers.

EVERYTHING you have said, has demonstrated my point.

If women can aspire to higher things than being mothers, I see nothing wrong with that.

That is your opinion. It also ignores the millions and millions of women (and men) who are NOT having families, due to your bad ideas.

And the heartbreak and sadness that causes them.

I can't imagine it would compare to the heartbreak and sadness of bringing unwanted children into the world.

Drop the pycho babble. YOu want young women to stay in school and then get jobs instead of getting married and having families.

And if they do choose families, you will ridicule them as "breeding stock".

Nothing wrong with that at all.

South Korea is. Europe is being swarmed by shitty third worlders.

Actually, many of those 3rd-worlders are much more actualized individuals than many Americans are

If we could import more of them, and deport our Neo-Nazi population to some prison colony, we would be better all.

Cultures are nothing but the beliefs and practices of a population.

YOu REPLACE the population, the culture is then going to be what the new people are.

Not true at all. Much of our culture is defined by rights and freedoms under the law. Its is our lawmakers who make and persevere such things, not the mass population, who in the past has often been uneducated and illiterate.

Your "hope" that they "Adapt" is nonsense. Your support of Third World mass migration is nothing but hatred of WESTERN CULTURE.

There is no such thing as "Western culture", beyond what some uneducated idiot on the internet falsely claims it to be, and Western culture, if anything, is defined by humanistic values which consider all men and women to be created equal under the law.

It's not as though the average person is particularly well-educated on culture, Western or otherwise, to begin with, or could even attempt to give a reasonable definition, particularly given how diverse contemporary culture in the Western world is.

It isn't defined by your outdated, racist sentiments, and there's nothing you can do to turn back the tide.

LOL. The results of your beliefs are your own culture dying out, yet you don't even want for people like me to be able to DISCUSS the issue.

Cultures dying out and being replaced with superior ones is good for social evolution.

And your response to your own culture dying is just to dismiss it.

In the words of Ivan Drago, "if it dies, it dies".

That not healthy. Hell, it is actually a completely failure of you and your culture to "Self actualize".

It is self harm. It is self suicide.

People are self-actualizing just fine here. Your fearmongering has no validity.

Of course they will. As our cultures become more and more that of the Third World populations moving into our territories, our laws will change to be more like the shitty third world.

There's no reason to believe that at all.

I mean, we have uneducated idiots like you who know nothing about "Western culture" and who wish to relegate women to the role of breeders, and it's not like you as an individual have any say on our laws and institution.

You know that. That is why lefties support mass migration. THe FREEDOMS of Americans and to a lesser extent, Europeans citizens are PROBLEMS for lefties.

People migrate here to enjoy our freedoms.

And many people who come here from foreign countries are well-educated and offer quite a bit to our culture:

They're much more valuable to our society than white trash.

Hahahahaha. you used your magic word!!! HAHAAHAHAHA.

Shove it, leftard.

More word salad.

You are giving bad advice to people.

The problem is that racists having been saying the same thing as yourself since the days the KKK was influential, such as how they feared that the immigration of Irish Catholics would destroy whatever they erroneously believed their culture to be, and it's been just as impotent as the slop you're regurgitating.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

 

[Correll]

If women can aspire to higher things than being mothers, I see nothing wrong with that.

YOu see nothing wrong with holding mothers in contempt and encouraging young women to NOT be mothers.

Thank your for your honesty.

I can't imagine it would compare to the heartbreak and sadness of bringing unwanted children into the world.

Here, I mentioned CHILDREN and you assumed that they are UNWANTED CHILDREN.

A very good look into the way your feminist mind works.

Nothing wrong with that at all.

Here, you see nothing wrong with ridiculing mothers as "breeding stock".

Again, you demonsrate all the bad shit I said about feminists, that other lefties were trying to deny.

Actually, many of those 3rd-worlders are much more actualized individuals than many Americans are

Huh. Odd, I specifically mentioned south korea and europe, but you...just naturally attacked AMERICA and Americans....

Self actualized? LOL. What the **** do you even mean by that nonsense?

If we could import more of them, and deport our Neo-Nazi population to some prison colony, we would be better all.

Neo-nazis are an insignificant fringe, at most in the tens of thousands.


Of course, normal Americans that hard core lefties like yourself would like to see arrested and put into camps, would probably number in the scores of millions.

Most commie takeovers do involved some level of genocide(s).

 

[The Duke]

I'm just being blunt.


No we don't. Your fearmongering and haven't substantiated that.

The reality is that most people are still dating and getting married.


The reality is that, on the whole, the ones trying to make women conform to their expectations are people who have outdated views on what men and women should do, and may even try to enforce it by law. This is the case not only in the developed world, but the undeveloped world as well, as we can see in the Islamic world, for example.

If there are a segment of individuals who do believe that "no one should have children", they are a fringe minority.

So you're balking about something which isn't a problem, while ignoring something which actually is. But that's not surprising, since lots of people love to balk and spread fear about things which are more or less a non-issue.

It's pretty simple.

Animals are capable of breeding. They aren't capable of inventing things like computers.

I would argue that the latter is a superior aspect of the human condition than just breeding.


We have more than enough people creating people, including those who are too incompetent to raise or support them well.

Actualizing one's rights and freedoms is superior to merely "breeding". We have plenty of people in 3rd world countries creating people, and those countries offer little in the way of rights, freedoms, and quality of life.

Your fearmongering is displaced.

It should be directed at people who don't respect women who self-actualize or aspire to be more than breeding stock.



It doesn't need to. The population is excessively large today compared to what it's been at any point in history. A little downsizing would potentially do some good.


That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Women are better able to self-actualize by having their own income. Not that the two things are mutually exclusive to begin with.



Developed cultures aren't anywhere close to dying out. And immigrants from 3rd world cultures will hopefully adapt and begin to actualize their rights and freedoms, and aspire to more than merely breeding.


If "Western culture" (whatever that is) can't complete on a level playing field, then maybe it will "die" out. That's just evolution in action, so don't get to attached to it. But I don't think our rights and freedoms are going anywhere.


Then get over your outdated, racist sentiments and just accept that people, regardless of their familial background are capable of actualizing their rights and freedoms under the law.

If women can aspire to higher things than being mothers, I see nothing wrong with that.


I can't imagine it would compare to the heartbreak and sadness of bringing unwanted children into the world.


Nothing wrong with that at all.



Actually, many of those 3rd-worlders are much more actualized individuals than many Americans are

If we could import more of them, and deport our Neo-Nazi population to some prison colony, we would be better all.

Not true at all. Much of our culture is defined by rights and freedoms under the law. Its is our lawmakers who make and persevere such things, not the mass population, who in the past has often been uneducated and illiterate.


There is no such thing as "Western culture", beyond what some uneducated idiot on the internet falsely claims it to be, and Western culture, if anything, is defined by humanistic values which consider all men and women to be created equal under the law.

It's not as though the average person is particularly well-educated on culture, Western or otherwise, to begin with, or could even attempt to give a reasonable definition, particularly given how diverse contemporary culture in the Western world is.

It isn't defined by your outdated, racist sentiments, and there's nothing you can do to turn back the tide.


Cultures dying out and being replaced with superior ones is good for social evolution.


In the words of Ivan Drago, "if it dies, it dies".


People are self-actualizing just fine here. Your fearmongering has no validity.


There's no reason to believe that at all.

I mean, we have uneducated idiots like you who know nothing about "Western culture" and who wish to relegate women to the role of breeders, and it's not like you as an individual have any say on our laws and institution.


People migrate here to enjoy our freedoms.

And many people who come here from foreign countries are well-educated and offer quite a bit to our culture:

They're much more valuable to our society than white trash.

The problem is that racists having been saying the same thing as yourself since the days the KKK was influential, such as how they feared that the immigration of Irish Catholics would destroy whatever they erroneously believed their culture to be, and it's been just as impotent as the slop you're regurgitating.

What are you doing, Matthew? This is not good.
You probably could just be gay and have a lot less stress about it.

 

[Correll]

....


Not true at all. Much of our culture is defined by rights and freedoms under the law. Its is our lawmakers who make and persevere such things, not the mass population, who in the past has often been uneducated and illiterate.

you think our LAWMAKERS, define our culture and not hte people as a whole?


No system is any better than the people who make it up. If the people who make it up are a bunch of hard core lefties like yourself, then the system will be a hard core lefty shit hole, of oppression and genocide.

There is no such thing as "Western culture", beyond what some uneducated idiot on the internet falsely claims it to be, and Western culture, if anything, is defined by humanistic values which consider all men and women to be created equal under the law.

Ah, the old leftie ploy of denying that western culture even exists. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

The more you say shit that is clearly not reality, the more you demostrate how sick and deluded your ideas are.

It's not as though the average person is particularly well-educated on culture, Western or otherwise, to begin with, or could even attempt to give a reasonable definition, particularly given how diverse contemporary culture in the Western world is.

It isn't defined by your outdated, racist sentiments, and there's nothing you can do to turn back the tide.


Cultures dying out and being replaced with superior ones is good for social evolution.


In the words of Ivan Drago, "if it dies, it dies".


People are self-actualizing just fine here. Your fearmongering has no validity.

And the more you talk, the more we see that your... word salad of "Self actualize" is actually just you hating your own culture and WANTING TO SEE IT DIE.


While I, and MAGA, love our culture and our people adn want to see them and it THRIVE.

There's no reason to believe that at all.

I mean, we have uneducated idiots like you who know nothing about "Western culture" and who wish to relegate women to the role of breeders, and it's not like you as an individual have any say on our laws and institution.

First of all, calling mothers "breeders" is a YOU thing, not me or mine.

Second of all, as a part of MAGA, I have quite a bit of say on our laws and institutions, and I want them to THRIVE and GROW, while you clearly want US to DIE.

People migrate here to enjoy our freedoms.

People migrate here for economic opportunties, because their cultures at home, produced proverty ridden shitholes.

YOU hate our culture adn the FREEDOMS that it produced. YOu clearly are some form of lefty marxist, who wants to see our culture die, and be replaces with some Third World shit culture when your lefty agenda will be considered acceptable.

And many people who come here from foreign countries are well-educated and offer quite a bit to our culture:

They offer THEIR culture. I value OUR culture adn want OUR culture to THRIVE and GROW.

They're much more valuable to our society than white trash.

The problem is that racists having been saying the same thing as yourself since the days the KKK was influential, such as how they feared that the immigration of Irish Catholics would destroy whatever they erroneously believed their culture to be, and it's been just as impotent as the slop you're regurgitating.

I see that you used your magic word. I don't care about your belief in teh power of that word. So...yeah, we're good. Please keep talking. You are making my case for me far better than I could have made it.


DO YOU IDENTIFY AS A COMMUNIST?

 

[The Duke]

OP is a multiforum Commie shill that starts these threads across several platforms and never maintains them.
Has he replied back? No? There ya go.

 

[initforme]

There is no duty to have kids. Its a choice. Have them if onevwants, or dont. Just take care of them if you have them. Theres really no "crisis" here.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

And there are plenty of "dough girls" out there for them to date.

So your scenario doesn't hold much water. It just sounds like fearmongering to me.

That is because you are a borg leftist, you will not accept anything that doesn't align with whatever opinions you were told to have

 

[initforme]

Holding off on marriage until later is not a bad thing. Its sensible.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Look sandwiches aren't going to make themselves.