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Oh, but I have.Said a man who never sat in a hot tub while watching glaciers slide past.
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Oh, but I have.Said a man who never sat in a hot tub while watching glaciers slide past.
Do you speak English?Would you prefer I used the phrase “Western Fenderr Roles”? These woman fall even shorter when compared to Muddle Eastern or Far Eastern Gebder Roles.
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Its the article. You duck chokers are arguing about your own fantasies.Sounds dumb. And not really relevant to reality.
Yes, I have a problem claiming that you know what women should want. That's my opinion, it's one of the things we are discussing.You said that you were open to discussion, but that you had a problem witth the idea that my side could claim that our view is superior.
That is you trying to control the information that women get.
Control the information, while your more agressive allies lke MIDNIGHT FM, spout the most agreesive negs and shit talk imaginable.
That is the "discussion" you want to have. That is NOT offering a choice, but you trying to control the choice.
Your replies don't suggest that. You are saying that women will regret not having created a family with kids. Maybe they'd regret settling down with a loser and having kids with them too?I'm an older man who has a family and has seen many peers have or not have families.
I want younger people to have that information so they can make an INFORMED decision.
If they really decide that having children is not for them, I want for them to have seriously considered that, and to NOT have regrets when it is too late to do shit about it.
You are the bad guy here, not me.
It's the reason women are giving for not wanting to date men. Wouldn't they know? Why would they want to date a man who doesn't have any social support and solely relies on them?I doubt that this is a major problem, or cause of the decline in dating and fertility.
How are women responsible for men having few friends? If you don't think that's a problem, you're quite misguided.I think women are the ones making the decisions that are driving these problems.
If women can aspire to higher things than being mothers, I see nothing wrong with that.
Yes, I have a problem claiming that you know what women should want. That's my opinion, it's one of the things we are discussing.
I think it's wrong for you to claim you know what women want in life. That's the thing feminism was fighting against. The idea that society would proscribe for women how they live their lives.
Your replies don't suggest that. You are saying that women will regret not having created a family with kids. Maybe they'd regret settling down with a loser and having kids with them too?
It's the reason women are giving for not wanting to date men. Wouldn't they know?
Spoken like a true incel.Feminism has created a generation of emotionally disturbed women with high rates of anti anxiety and depression medications
Oh please. Nobody knows or cares about some person with IQ of 80 who had no life accomplishment or ambitions other than became breeding stock. They're not Joan of Arc.There is no higher thing.
You'd be incorrect on that. Many people elect not to have children for some reason or another, and biological impulses don't "win out" and require them to that. Think St. Paul of the Bible. That was his recommendation.There is something seriously wrong with some of y'all. Fortunately, nature always wins.
Maybe someday you'll become a human.Oh please. Nobody knows or cares about some person with IQ of 80 who had no life accomplishment or ambitions other than became breeding stock. They're not Joan of Arc.
What nonsense.I must admit this OP kinda amazed me as I don't see it in our life or our extended family's life. Been married over half a century and maybe in that time humans have changed or is it just another OP about nothing real. Is it?.
'Mankeeping: why single women are giving up dating'
'As the male social circle continues to shrink, their partners have to take on much more emotional labour – and many are opting to spend their lives alone instead'
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Mankeeping: why single women are giving up dating
As the male social circle continues to shrink, their partners have to take on much more emotional labour – and many are opting to spend their lives alone insteadwww.theguardian.com
'The Christian right has set the US on the road to Gilead. Without a fight, other nations may follow'
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The Christian right has set the US on the road to Gilead. Without a fight, other nations may follow | Deborah Frances-White
Women’s rights – especially abortion – are truly at risk, says writer and broadcaster Deborah Frances-Whitewww.theguardian.com
'Mankeeping Is Why Women Are Done With Dating'
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Mankeeping Is Why Women Are Done With Dating
Researchers at Stanford have finally given a name to something many women have been dealing with for years. It’s called mankeeping.www.vice.com
Joan of Arc is, in many ways, far more human than some breeder in a 3rd world country.Maybe someday you'll become a human.
Not at all, I love the freedom men and women have not to become breeding stock and to actualize themselves. I would hate to see that freedom repressed, as it is in 3rd world countries which unnecessarily high birth rates.1. No one said anything about a duty.
2. There clearly is a crisis. People are lonely and sad, men and women. Whole nations are failing to maintain replacement levels.
3. Lefties hate western culture because of our love of freedom
Not at all, I love the freedom men and women have not to become breeding stock and to actualize themselves. I would hate to see that freedom repressed, as it is in 3rd world countries which unnecessarily high birth rates.
Our intellectual elite, namely the framers of our Constitution are the ones who gave us the rights and freedoms which you take for granted.That's dumb. Culture is a set of beliefs and practices, ranging from, laws, as you cited, down to music and crusine. To say that intellectual elite are the ones that shape a culture is just clearly false.
The average person isn't necessarily a fan of apple pie, and they're not obligated to be.Look at FOOD as an example. FOOD is certainly something that is driven by local factors such as food avaliablity, clearly, but it is the bulk of homemakers who take that food and prepare meals for their families, that drive a culture's crusine.
Millions of MOMS deciding how to feed their children and husbands that made hamburgers and apple pie part of AMERICAN CULTURE, that you claim doesn't even exist... like a fool.
If you believe that two people necessarily come from the same cultural influences, you'd be mistaken.Now that is a very interesting and revealing claim on your part.
Let's assume for the sake of discussion, that you were correct, that I was ignorant of my own culture, which you deny exists.
There is nothing about me being ignorant, that means I could not still love my culture, even if my understanding of it was deeply flawed.
Love is often blind. That's a TRUISM. Yet, here you are denying it.
Your point is clearly false. BUT, that is because it is not an actual "point" in that you making a debating point.
All you are really doing is spamming negs, as a form of propaganda.
Our culture allows for the irrelevant and obsolete to be replaced with immigrants who have superior qualities that they can't compete with in an open playing field. America is constantly evolving and changing, and that's a good thing.Here again, we see how you hate Americans and America. You again make a reference to REPLACING us, with immigrants, in a thread
I can't think of anything more un-American than wasting one's time having children, when you could be pursuing the American dream instead.where you are encouraging western women to NOT HAVE CHILDREN.
Right, and you would prefer one of those cultures, so you should consider moving to Saudi Arabia or Iran.Well, this makes no sense. You are claiming, absurdly, that there is no differnce between our culture and theirs, when you deny that we HAVE a culture.
Our culture DOES hold that all men and women are to be equal before the law, many cultures do NOT hold to that. That would be a big difference.
You're delusional. Immigrants to America are often more educated and successful than the average American, and adhere to values which emphasize freedom and self-expression. Think Dr. Now from My 600 LB life.FOr one example. Which disproves your very stupid claim right there.
An odd claim. Is this just shit talk, or would you like to back it up with something?
Oh, you back it up with your magic word. Yeah, don't care. YOu said nothing of value there.
1. I'm not trying to force anyone to breed. I am arguing that having families is rewarding to men and women and encouraging young people to do that. you are ridiculing and attacking women who choose to become mothers. In support of your overall desire, often expressed in this thread, to see our culture, which you deny even exists, to die out and be replaced by third world immigrants.
There's nothing you can do about it, and it won't happen.2. We CAN stop people from immigranting legally. And we should. And the sooner the better. The mass migration that has been a policy of the first world for the last 60 years was retarded nonsense pushed by ******* idiots.
Midnight FM isn't a part of this discussion.Note, you ignored midnight fm saying the most sexist adn racist adn anti-American shit in this thread, you are fine with your political allies spreading that sort of...speech, but you have a problem with me, a partent telling young women that having children is great.
Again, you say talk shit about choice, but your actions are all about trying to control the information and discussion to be allowed, leading to the choice.
Not sure what you mean about lying what their choices are. I think everyone knows what the choices are. That's a strange accusation.And here you conflate me giving my opinion in a discussion, with forbiding something with the force of law behind it.
You claim that you are against "society" telling women how to live their lives, but you are LYING to the women, about what the sides or choices are.
That is AGAIN, you trying to control their choices and thus their decisions.
That's cool, but there's a few problems with that statement. For starters, it's reporting bias. Do people who regret having children feel comfortable saying so? Or would they just stay silent? There's plenty of stigma to saying they regret having children.NONE of my peers regret having children. Several regret NOT having children.
Even among people I know less well, the people denied having access to their children, it comes across as torment.
Your view of the world is dark and ugly.
I think the primary reason women aren't dating and getting married is that they aren't finding good quality partners. The issue raised is that men are more emotionally needy because they don't have friends. All you say is that you doubt it's the primary reason. Maybe not the primary reason, but it's reflective of the root problem. Men aren't doing very well in today's society."THE" reason? I doubt any of them would say it is the primary reason for the decline of dating or fertility. And if they do, then still, they can be wrong.
Again, the lefty wants to set someone up to deny discussion of an issue, and instead claim the right to just lecture people.
You claim to want discussion, but all your words lead to YOU wanting control of the flow of information, so that you can control the choices.
Our intellectual elite, namely the framers of our Constitution are the ones who gave us the rights and freedoms which you take for granted.
The average person does very little to shape a culture compared to those who have power and influence.
The average person isn't necessarily a fan of apple pie, and they're not obligated to be.
If you believe that two people necessarily come from the same cultural influences, you'd be mistaken.
Our culture is a melting pot of many different influences.
Our culture allows for the irrelevant and obsolete to be replaced with immigrants who have superior qualities that they can't compete with in an open playing field. America is constantly evolving and changing, and that's a good thing.
Your resentment toward immigrants is decidedly anti-American, given that this nation was founded by immigrants, including those who were invaders and displaced indigenous Americans.
I can't think of anything more un-American than wasting one's time having children, when you could be pursuing the American dream instead.
Right, and you would prefer one of those cultures, so you should consider moving to Saudi Arabia or Iran.
In America, women are free to actualize themselves.
You're delusional. Immigrants to America are often more educated and successful than the average American, and adhere to values which emphasize freedom and self-expression. Think Dr. Now from My 600 LB life.
They offer far more, and are more compatible with our culture than some Nazi scum, for instance:
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There's nothing you can do about it, and it won't happen.
Enjoy being rendered obsolete in the near future. Stop hating America and it's well-documented history of immigration.
Enlightening careers? That’s a joke. More like being manipulated by their feminist “sisters” into undertaking a lifestyle that will leave most of them lonely, depressed and likely suicidal by their mid to late thirties, and regretting their choices for the rest of their livesMore like women who've sold their solves and lives to become breeding stock rather than have enlightening careers.
Any woman who would lower herself to marry you isn't worthy of anyone's time. But like attracts like, I suppose.
Midnight FM isn't a part of this discussion
No, it doesn't. It implies that they are young and inexperienced and that they need information from people that have been though the having a family process, to make informed decisions.Again, I don't have a problem with you telling young women that having children was great for you.
I have a problem with you telling young women that they will regret not having children. That's talking down to them, implying they're not capable of making their own choices.
Not sure what you mean about lying what their choices are. I think everyone knows what the choices are. That's a strange accusation.
That's cool, but there's a few problems with that statement. For starters, it's reporting bias. Do people who regret having children feel comfortable saying so? Or would they just stay silent? There's plenty of stigma to saying they regret having children.
But maybe more importantly, this is more about whether they should date a man. You're kind of skipping over the part where they find someone to marry and have kids with. This would imply that it's not important. That is, it's more important to have kids than to have a good partner.
I think this demonstrates the societal problem that feminism has been fighting against. It seems to me that men want women to need them for something. It used to be that women needed men for financial stability, now they need men to have children. But what happens when they decide they don't need children? That makes you upset.
I think the primary reason women aren't dating and getting married is that they aren't finding good quality partners. The issue raised is that men are more emotionally needy because they don't have friends. All you say is that you doubt it's the primary reason. Maybe not the primary reason, but it's reflective of the root problem. Men aren't doing very well in today's society.
But again, that's women's fault somehow.
He didn't say Midnight defines feminism. Midnight said something, and he is responding to it. Sounds reasonable to me. Only pieces of lefty trash like you try to spin it like that.I wasn't aware Midnight FM defines feminism now.
But what's wrong with trying to tell women what they should want? At an election, candidates are constantly telling voters they should vote for him. Animal welfare advocates constantly tell people they should want to adopt a vegetarian diet. This is called persuasion, it's something that's totally fine and acceptable in the West. Only lefties like you have a problem with it.Again, my side doesn't want to tell women what they should want. It just wants them to have options.
Hmm. Are you saying that all 3.5 billion of women all think the same way? Furthermore, you have polled all 3.5 billion of them to find out what they all think?Women think it's true. But you know better?
I don't understand why you talk like women are some hot-shit that men have to try hard to impress. Why don't you talk about how women are also inadequate and men also find them repulsive? A lot of women are fat. A lot are stupid and vapid. Some are gold-diggers. Some have no morals. Some will prey on others for personal gain. These sorts of women exist, just like how there are trashy, inadequate men. So why do you only focus on men being inadequate, but you don't try to tell women to stop being nasty works?The point being raised in this thread is that women are finding men to be inadequate and therefore not wishing to date. The result of that suggestion has been to find a way to blame anyone but men for this.
I don't think it's productive to argue that any particular stance is a "minority opinion". It doesn't matter. The thing you lefties need to know is that, everything that pours out of your collective mouths, is offensive to normal people. The only question is what's more offensive than the rest.I disagree. This thread has a lot of participants and only one is behaving as such. It would suggest it's a minority opinion. You can find someone that will say anything. We can find people to argue that women shouldn't have jobs at all. I don't claim that's representative of your side.
What's wrong with implying that something is superior? If I try to convince you the vegetarian lifestyle is superior, you gonna be offended, too? I am serious. What's wrong with people trying to persuade other people to adopt a particular stance? It's what civilizations have been doing for thousands of years.If you limit the choices, it's not really allowing a choice. I have no problem with people saying that motherhood and being a SAHM is great. I only have a problem when it's implied it's superior.
Is this a two-way street though? If men are willing to hear what they are saying about men, will women have to hear what men have to say about women? Or is such fairness and reciprocity too offensive to you?What does this mean? What information am I trying to keep away from them? I don't recall ever saying anything like that.
That's what women are telling us. Shouldn't we at least be open to hearing what they're saying about men if we are to help them?
I don't think it's unreasonable to want men who have friends, although I do have a problem with you saying it's "taxing" for women to have men who depend on them for entire emotional support. You need to realize two things: 1. men are naturally born with a less well-developed support system. Men don't tend to have as many friends as women do, and the few friends that they get also tend to be less emotionally supportive than women's friends; 2. I don't know about you, but if the man I love depends on me for emotional sustenance, I will give him my all. And I would not complain and call it "taxing". That's what 15-year old girls do. Do you know what true love, and adult relationships entail? Do you know that if you truly love someone, you will sacrifice things for them, and the most beautiful part about it, is that it won't even feel like a sacrifice? Nah, who am I kidding, you are a lefty, you have absolutely zero idea what the foregone means.Women in the article are saying that men don't have support structures and therefore it falls on the women to be their entire emotional support which is overly taxing. It doesn't seem unreasonable for women to want men who have friends.
Anyone care to explain why it's women's fault that men don't have friends and hang out anymore?
But men are not limiting women's choices. They are persuading women to have families, yes, but they are not forcing women to do so. They are not passing laws to forbid women from having a career.You're conflating. I think having a choice is superior to not having a choice. I don't think that one choice is better than another.
And that's bad because....?Between the two of us, you're the one telling women what they SHOULD want. Not me.
I don't understand why lefty pieces of shit like you turn this into a blame game. "Who is at fault for men having few friends??" Such an unproductive, divisive way of looking at things. If men have few friends, we need to ask ourselves why, and then, figure out a way for them to make more friends. I could give a shit about finding out who is to "blame" for this, because I don't want to point fingers at anybody. It's pointless. I want to help people. Can you say the same, trash?You're not arguing with me but a strawman.
Alright. Then argue they're not correct. The premise is that men having few friends means that they are more reliant on support from their partner which is taxing them.
Go ahead and argue against the premise. Or are you just going to BLAME WOMEN more?
Uhm....you lefties are constantly telling white people what they should want. Now the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly you have a problem.Yes, I have a problem claiming that you know what women should want.
For as long as men aren't forcing women to live a particular way, I see nothing wrong with trying to persuade them to adopt a certain way of life. People are allowed to influence and persuade others, only idiots don't know this.I think it's wrong for you to claim you know what women want in life. That's the thing feminism was fighting against. The idea that society would proscribe for women how they live their lives.
Of course, that's why I would tell a woman to not settle down with a loser. I would tell her to settle down with a smart, awesome winner type of guy. This idea has never crossed you lefties' minds, because you have never ever seen a smart, awesome guy in your circles of lefty freaks.Your replies don't suggest that. You are saying that women will regret not having created a family with kids. Maybe they'd regret settling down with a loser and having kids with them too?
Oh, I don't know....because she loves him?It's the reason women are giving for not wanting to date men. Wouldn't they know? Why would they want to date a man who doesn't have any social support and solely relies on them?
Women aren't responsible for it, but if all they manage to do is ***** about men, then it shows that they are heartless c.unts. I am a woman, and I would never turn my back on someone who is clearly struggling and needs my help. A foreign concept to you, I bet.How are women responsible for men having few friends? If you don't think that's a problem, you're quite misguided.
How does it feel to be inferior to white men?Oh please. Nobody knows or cares about some person with IQ of 80 who had no life accomplishment or ambitions other than became breeding stock. They're not Joan of Arc.
You'd be incorrect on that. Many people elect not to have children for some reason or another, and biological impulses don't "win out" and require them to that. Think St. Paul of the Bible. That was his recommendation.
In some species, not having children is a way of life, and aids the species' survival:
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Ants That Illegally Procreate Are Revealed By Their Guilty Smell
Explore worker ants' reproduction strategies as they face repercussions from their colonies for attempting to procreate.www.discovermagazine.com
Ants That Illegally Procreate Are Revealed By Their Guilty Smell
How does it feel to be inferior to white men?More like women who've sold their solves and lives to become breeding stock rather than have enlightening careers.
Any woman who would lower herself to marry you isn't worthy of anyone's time. But like attracts like, I suppose.
How does it feel to be inferior to white men?Not at all, I love the freedom men and women have not to become breeding stock and to actualize themselves. I would hate to see that freedom repressed, as it is in 3rd world countries which unnecessarily high birth rates.
How does it feel to be inferior to white men?Whites aren't American, they're invaders who stole it from the indigenous Americans. We should deport them back to Europe.
While is the dregs of "Western society" are always the ones to talk about "Western culture", when they have no education on it whatsoever, and are nothing more than a blight upon it.
"Marxism" is an economic theory which favors the abolition of private property. You clearly know nothing about it. It doesn't just mean "whatever you don't like".
You are not talking to a normal human being. A normal human being, when they hear you talking lovingly about the most important woman in your life, will not insult and denigrate her like that to your face. It's not something even an immigrant who is unfamiliar with the Western culture, would do. That freak you're wasting your time with, is most likely a fed. Your country's feds like to send sleeper agents to online forums where white guys hang out, because they are scared of you. And these feds, being the abnormal pieces of shit in human forms, are absolutely abnormal. That's why they are so unimaginably rude and offensive.That woman is a rock. She’s the strongest and most amazing woman I’ve ever met. She holds her biological family together amidst the chaos it’s embroiled in on a daily basis. She’s the one thing that’s kept me marginally sane the last 13+ years and probably saved my life at least twice.
Please insult her again, to my face. Then we’ll have some real fun.