I'm hoping there is a middle ground between being a PETA extremist and trying to reduce the pain we cause living things with nervous systems.
Making animal rights and biocentrism a major political topic
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I'm hoping there is a middle ground between being a PETA extremist and trying to reduce the pain we cause living things with nervous systems.
Where was he addressing Syrenn? If you read the post again you'll see it's addressed to Alex.
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Since you are a biowhatsis, you should work the field on a blistering hot summer day before eating any veggies.
From sunup to sundown.
or shut the fuck up and come down off your high horse.
I think our species is omnivorous and that a Paleolihic diet is the healthiest diet for mankind.
That diet includes a whole LOTTA MEAT, and NO GRAINS, NO LEGUMES, NO SUGAR and NO DAIRY products.
So a began diet is NOT, in my opinion (or that of many dieticians) really a healthy diet.
If you're overweight? Try giving up JUST grains. Just try it for a few months.
You will start losing weight like you would not believe.
You do NOT have to be hungry, you just need to give up eating wheat, corn, rice and any other grain food.
Replace those missing calaries with PROTEIN.
You'll thank me if you do.
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That was the point I was making. Why didn't he call out Syrenn for doing the same thing?
I'd bet that no more than a very few posters use photos of themselves. Its dumb to criticize that.
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First, you need to look up the definition of "omnivore". It does not mean "Atkins diet". Nor does it mean a [sic] "Paleolihic diet" aka "caveman diet".
What you suggest is much more extreme and radical than vegan (with a "v", not a "b") diet. IMO, we all need to say away from fad diets.
Being vegetarian/vegan does not mean being hungry or overweight.
And finally, our over-consumption of protein is directly related to the cause of death for most people who eat a so-called "traditional" American diet.
I avoid dietary protein and I get my protein from the same thing you do - the essential amino acids.
Eat what you want but don't try to say you know what you're doing and that Atkins is a healthy way to live.
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And yet still have more intelligence than any other species.....
Again, until you can show me that your dog understands the effect it's actions may have on the environment, or that a cow understands it is destined to be my dinner, the idea that other animals are on equal footing with humans when it comes to reasoning and intelligence is absurd. Mistaking compassion for animal life with equality in intelligence is, in itself, a stupid thing.
Somethings intelligence or ability to reason does not determine its value or right to life. All life on this planet has something to contribute to the super-organism that is called Earth. To say that just because the human species is able to do certain things that another species can't do therefore the human species is now superior and has dominion over the other species is not only arrogant but incredibly vicious. Intelligence the way we see it is a human invention. Basically an animal's intelligence is determined based on a comparison to what we deem intelligent, that being a comparison to human intelligence, and from that determination we impose value and worth onto those animals. We are basically an animal acting as a speciest dictator to the natural world just because we can add 2+2 and get 4.
maybe instead of thinking as animals as human, you may want to think of humans as animals.
maybe also, you may want to stop thinking that humans are not superior to other animals and instead start thinking that humans are biologically a very successful species.
and yes, we are more intelligent than other animals. no other animal can control their environment, conditions, use tools, create complex languages, etc. that's our selective advantage,...intelligence.
if you want to convince people of things, perhaps you should approach the issue a bit more pragmatically and realise that people are, indeed, animals , as you claim, and try to understand human behaviour. you mention "speciest dictator" and yet, you approach the problem with a dictatorial attitude.
i do not know of any animal, and that includes the human animal, who likes to be forced. they respond to being taught. if you try to force things like this, you will be met with little success.
did you know you can opt out of the rep system? if so, why haven't you? if not, why don't you?
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no one is stopping animal rights activists from paying for advertising or marketing.
if you want to be successful, or at least have a chance of being successful, you need to change your approach, and that applies to most animal rights activists.
here is a story. i am/was a labour activist...teamster 174, king county labor council...stuff like that. we were trying to organise the independents at the port of seattle. we were doing good, getting cards signed and all...waging a good public relations campaign and winning on that end, getting a lot of support from immigrant groups and interfaith groups. we had it in the bag.
then, some fool decided we needed a more demonstrative action so he had all these peeps spill out onto the west seattle freeway during the evening rush hour. everything went downhill after that, and went downhill fast. we never recovered and we let a lot of people who wanted to be organised down...and they had families that we let down too.
don't piss people off by being overbearing. use your head.
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Syrenn's pic was obviously that of a public person. I don't think that's the case with this person so I asked. I didn't criticize, I didn't call the poster out, I merely asked.
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What we really need is to breed cows like the ones from the Restaurant at the End of the Universe. 
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What we really need is to breed cows like the ones from the Restaurant at the End of the Universe.
I've said I used to live in AZ. Now I live in the midwest, cattle country. I travel a couple of days a week and drive through that cattle country. Long rolling hills of green, lots of "farm ponds", beautiful trees, birds, and all the rest.
And, of course, "for sale by owner", bank auctions, deserted ranches -
Even so, its easy to see why so many people believe we are the land of plenty and that we can afford our "throw away" society. All you have to do is dig down just one layer to learn that -
- it takes about the same amount of water to float a battleship as it does to put a steak on your table.
If you want to know more, earthsave.com
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Fuzzy bears!
What we really need is to breed cows like the ones from the Restaurant at the End of the Universe.
I've said I used to live in AZ. Now I live in the midwest, cattle country. I travel a couple of days a week and drive through that cattle country. Long rolling hills of green, lots of "farm ponds", beautiful trees, birds, and all the rest.
And, of course, "for sale by owner", bank auctions, deserted ranches -
Even so, its easy to see why so many people believe we are the land of plenty and that we can afford our "throw away" society. All you have to do is dig down just one layer to learn that -
- it takes about the same amount of water to float a battleship as it does to put a steak on your table.
If you want to know more, earthsave.com
I'm not sure why you think my obviously joking one-liner deserved this response.....
How much water does it take to grow the plants you have to eat to equal the meat from that steak, I wonder?
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What we really need is to breed cows like the ones from the Restaurant at the End of the Universe.
I've said I used to live in AZ. Now I live in the midwest, cattle country. I travel a couple of days a week and drive through that cattle country. Long rolling hills of green, lots of "farm ponds", beautiful trees, birds, and all the rest.
And, of course, "for sale by owner", bank auctions, deserted ranches -
Even so, its easy to see why so many people believe we are the land of plenty and that we can afford our "throw away" society. All you have to do is dig down just one layer to learn that -
- it takes about the same amount of water to float a battleship as it does to put a steak on your table.
If you want to know more, earthsave.com
I'm not sure why you think my obviously joking one-liner deserved this response.....
How much water does it take to grow the plants you have to eat to equal the meat from that steak, I wonder?
The "collateral damage" argument for eating meat. I was wondering how long before someone would bring that up.
There are a lot of holes is this ... One is that meat eaters also eat plants. That means that they eat even more plants than I do because the animals they eat also eat plants.
Think about it. Your question is "How much water does it take to grow the plants you have to eat to equal the meat from that steak?"
I eat the plants I eat.
You eat the plants you eat PLUS the plants the "food animals" eat.
So, the amount of water you use is enormous when compared to the amount of water I use.
PLUS, you use other resources as well. Most of the antibiotics used in the US (other countries too) are given to "food animals".
Meat eaters are sicker than vegetarians/vegans and meat eater's illnesses are more often fatal so they use even more resources that others must pay for.
It might have been you who stated that vegans don't get the nutrients they need. If one eats nothing Pepsi and Cheetos, they can call themselves vegan but if one eats a healthy diet comprised of a large variety of foods, they easily get the nutrients they need.
It used to be believed that vegetarians/vegans should "combine" foods to make sure they got sufficient nutrients. That has long been shown to be untrue.
I'll say it again - eat anything you want.
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Montrovant
Fuzzy bears!
Wow, that's a lot of projecting!
I made a joking post, you replied with a serious one involving the amount of water needed for a steak.
I questioned how much water it would take for an equivalent amount of plant food, you seemingly assume I mean to argue against eating the plants, or something like that.
You obviously have your opinion on the matter and are looking for any opportunity, real or imagined, to interject it.
Have fun with that!
And for those who are unaware, the cows from the book The Restaurant at the End of the Universe were bred to WANT people to eat them, and would in fact walk up to the diners' table and offer various portions of themselves.
Not necessarily...I think you're wrong about that.
I've seen documentaries, extremely graphic pix, etc. on what is done in processing and preparing the meat from a cow...it was disturbing to me, yes...but did it change my mind not to go to the meat market and get me some steak and hamburger meat to feed myself and my family the next day or week?
No.
And I know I am not the only one who does not feel "guilt" after they have seen what is done to a cow or pig or chicken to receive the meat for consumption...
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Little too much vitrol and vulgarity for this forum.
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