Lives FIRST!!! Economy second.

[Bob Blaylock]

I'm not one of those who have to wait in line for food. So chances are they are in way worse shape than I am. Which includes being able to afford TP.

How long do you think that will last, if you and your kind are successful in crashing the economy the way you've been trying, so far, for the last few months, to do?

Your mother's pantry doesn't just magically restock itself. People out there in The Real World have to work to produce it. People have to work in the farms and in the factories. People have to drive trucks, and work in warehouses and distribution centers to organize and distribute this food, and ultimately, deliver it to the stores. While you're hiding in her basement, your mother needs to go out and buy this food from the stores where the aforementioned process has made them available. And she and/or your sperm donor had to work to earn the money with which to buy that food.

Trash the economy, trash the process by which food is produced, distributed, and finds its way to your mother's kitchen, and you'll starve just like everyone else.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

As I said, I'm not interested in their past. That isn't the point. The point is the coronavirus there right now and how they are dealing with it. And they aren't doing so by running over those who have it with a tank.

You seem determined to demonstrate and prove the old cliché about how those who don't learn the past are doomed to repeat it.

 

[Papageorgio]

You dont destroy a Country of 350 million people over the lives of 100k people.
Besides,thats only 20k more than a bad flu season. Did they shut the country down then?

China does quarantines far more severe than what we practice here. Is China destroyed? Also, bees, ants and termites have societies too. And they don't even have economies like ours. Yet they survive. Next, I saw a statistic on TV that said that in 8 months there were 24,000 flu deaths. But in just 2 months, there were 43,000 coronavirus deaths. Corinavirus is 10 times deadlier than the flu. It is nothing to take lightly. Also, when was the last time they tried to get everybody to stay home over the flu.

The coronavirus isn’t 10 times deadlier. Where did you pull that from?

24,000 flu death in 8 months. 43,000 coronavirus deaths in just 2 months. Also, people over the centuries have developed at least a little natural immunity to the flu. There is no natural immunity to the coronavirus.

Link that proves your claim that the coronavirus is 10 times deadlier than the flu. There is no natural immunity to the flu either, a virus, flu, corona, the issue is the potency of the virus. The Asian, the Hong Kong and Spanish flu were very potent. The Spanish flu killed 50 million worldwide. Infected 500 million and is around today,just as potent however most people have developed an immunity to it. Woodstock took place during the Hong Kong flu. The Asian flu was in the late 50’s. Learn some history.

 

[Papageorgio]

There are many states of stupidity where they are starting to reopen even though the cases of coronavirus are rising. So far over 114,000 people have died. And as far as president Chump and the states of stupidity are concerned, they are more than willing to throw who knows how many more under the bus for the sake of their capitalist cult.

Then, look at China. They have over a billion more people than we do. You know that something is SERIOUSLY wrong when a country with so many people would put the lives of their people over their economy. That is you would know it if you weren't a brainwashed simpleton.

Sorry that's not going to work...we are not going to be suckered into closing again....the new infection reports are bullshit...lies.....

A while back there was some female doctor who caught the coronavirus. She was on the front lines in treating the people who were in the hospital from it. After she recovered, she went back to work. But not being able to cope with seeing all the death, she killed herself. I guess you think she killed herself over "bullshit......lies......"

47,000 people commit suicides every year. How do you know why she killed herself?

Dr Lorna Breen. 49. Head of the emergency department at Manhattan Hospital. Make sure you keep a civil tongue in your fucking head about her. Or warn the mods that I am not only going to start insulting you, but your family and pets as well. She told her family how much it was destroying her to see so many patients die. Some didn't even make it out of the ambulance. That is why she killed herself. And it is a vast understatement to call all those who take the spread of the coronavirus lightly bastards.

Threaten me all you want, I don’t really care.

Every article I read said it concerned her that so many were dying, however her family felt that she was fatigued because she had not full recovered from the virus and they believe the virus messed with her brain. Those were guesses from the family not based on anything but opinion. That is all you have is one opinion and that doesn’t make it true. So another story you have spun.

 

[quarantine]

You dont destroy a Country of 350 million people over the lives of 100k people.
Besides,thats only 20k more than a bad flu season. Did they shut the country down then?

China does quarantines far more severe than what we practice here. Is China destroyed? Also, bees, ants and termites have societies too. And they don't even have economies like ours. Yet they survive. Next, I saw a statistic on TV that said that in 8 months there were 24,000 flu deaths. But in just 2 months, there were 43,000 coronavirus deaths. Corinavirus is 10 times deadlier than the flu. It is nothing to take lightly. Also, when was the last time they tried to get everybody to stay home over the flu.

10 times? Democrat math.

24,000 flue deaths in 8 months vs 43,000 deaths from coronavirus in just 2 months. You do the math. Also, people have some immunity to the flu. We have no immunity to the coronavirus. If you are going to say stupid shit, at least try to be a little better at it.

43000 in 2 months calculates to 172,000 in 8 months. 172,000 isn't ten times 24,000. It's more like 7.1 times. You might be able to pull that bullshit with your CHOP friends but not here. Can you get any dumber?

How many people who get the flu need the level of medical care that those with the coronavirus need. Why were hospitals screaming for more ventilators. But all that aside, over hundreds of years people have developed at least a little resistance to the flu. There is no natural resistance to the coronavirus. And on top of all that, coronavirus might just be more contagious than the flu. So maybe coronavirus is actually more than 10 times deadlier than the flu.

 

[quarantine]

There are many states of stupidity where they are starting to reopen even though the cases of coronavirus are rising. So far over 114,000 people have died. And as far as president Chump and the states of stupidity are concerned, they are more than willing to throw who knows how many more under the bus for the sake of their capitalist cult.

Then, look at China. They have over a billion more people than we do. You know that something is SERIOUSLY wrong when a country with so many people would put the lives of their people over their economy.

You really should research the history of Chinese Communism before making such a bonehead statement.

I don't care what Chinese communism was. And I'm no big fan of what it is today. But apparently they value human life enough to put it above their economy.

They don't. You are mistaken, and naive.

Well when it comes to shutting things down when the coronavirus springs up, they seem to be all over it. Why do you think that is.

Do you know what the Chinese government did to the citizens of Wuhan?
They executed and cremated them in order to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
And you call that valuing human life?!

One thing this administration loves to do is badmouth the Chinese if they get the chance. It gives Trump ammunition to sell his mythical trade renegotiations with China. If the Chinese had been executing coronavirus patients, the world would have heard about it.

You've got to be kidding...the execution of Wuhan residents was front page news.

Of what. The National Enquirer? Though I don't read the newspapers. But each night I will watch the ABC and CBS nightly news. I also just got through watching a PBS documentary called, "The virus: What went wrong." Nowhere did I see anything about people with the virus in China being executed. But there is an interesting point that I did see about why so many of the elderly die. Because doctors feel it is more moral to try and save the lives of the young rather than the old.

CNN, Fox, Reuters, etc...
Do you ever pull your head out of your ass and look at a site other than DailyKOS?
You realize you're making an ass of yourself.

Ok DW. You forced me to waste my time by looking it up on the internet. Are you satisfied that you caused me to waste my time. Because that's all you did. Your claim is BS.

 

[quarantine]

There are many states of stupidity where they are starting to reopen even though the cases of coronavirus are rising. So far over 114,000 people have died. And as far as president Chump and the states of stupidity are concerned, they are more than willing to throw who knows how many more under the bus for the sake of their capitalist cult.

Then, look at China. They have over a billion more people than we do. You know that something is SERIOUSLY wrong when a country with so many people would put the lives of their people over their economy. That is you would know it if you weren't a brainwashed simpleton.

Are you retired?
Have you stopped going to work?
Tell your story before you judge others.

Do you even understand who I am judging? It isn't the people who need to go back to work. It is the capitalist system that is forcing them to. Until people can safely get back to work, it is our government that is failing them. Because they have rent to pay and other bills to pay. As well as get necessities such as food and toilet paper. Which many people wait in long lines to get because they can't afford it. What the hell. Do we need to surrender to China and let them run things for us? It seems that these days we depend on them for about everything else.

How was Capitalism working prior to COVID-19?

That isn't the point. But sense you asked, terribly.

Then you haven't been outside in the last 2.5 years.

If people had to stand in line for food instead of being given food stamps, there is much that you would see that is invisible to people right now. Before the coronavirus thing, there were around 27 million unemployed working age people in the U.S. Many just gave up on looking for work and fell off the statistics the government posts. There were also around 22 million people who were underemployed. And there used to be a time that just one average American could work and support a family. Now both parents usually have to work.

Also, do you even know why the U.S. has sent so many jobs to China and other foreign countries? And why it doesn't do anything useful about the illegal scab scum from mexico that are here? To undercut the American worker. To "shove a stick of dynamite up the ass of White scum."

On top of that, before the coronavirus, the U.S. was around 19 trillion in debt. And we HAD to pay around 420 billion a year just on the interest of that debt. On top of that, we had around 61 trillion dollars worth of unfunded obligations. Combined, every man, woman child and fetus in the U.S. was in debt for around $250,000.00. All added up, I doubt if I made that much in my entire life. (I say sarcastically) Yeah, our economy is doing just fine.

I am fully aware of how Reagan and his successors send sends to Mexico and then to Japan and China and finally to China and India.
I lived through the degeneration of the American worker.

Then you shouldn't be touting the "merits" of our economy as you are. A large reason why so many people died here due to the coronavirus is that most of our protective equipment is made in China. They had plenty. But not us.

And if we shut down imports from China for the last 2+ years and started our own factories here you would be cursing Trump that you could no longer afford to shop.
It's obvious you haven't been reading your fellow Trump haters post since he won.
"Wah! I don't want to pay more for stuff!"

Years ago Henry Ford had the same problem. He just started paying his workers more. Then they could afford to build the cars they built.

 

[Markle]

Years ago Henry Ford had the same problem. He just started paying his workers more. Then they could afford to build the cars they built.

Amusing, but a myth nonetheless.

IF Henry Ford (a great admirer of Adolph Hitler as Hitler was of him) sold only as many cars as he had employees, he'd have gone broke. He was able to sell his cars for less than his competition.

Henry Ford greatly improved his production with the assembly line so he could afford to pay the employees more. The production was improved by the line, not the workers working faster.

 

[meaner gene]

Henry Ford greatly improved his production with the assembly line so he could afford to pay the employees more. The production was improved by the line, not the workers working faster.

Close but not quiet right. Ford paid his employees more, along with starting trade schools in order to get a higher quality of worker, and a more stable work force. Workers who could by repetition perform the tasks on the assembly line better and faster.

In January 1914, Henry Ford started paying his auto workers a remarkable $5 a day. Doubling the average wage helped ensure a stable workforce and likely boosted sales since the workers could now afford to buy the cars they were making. It laid the foundation for an economy driven by consumer demand.

 

[quarantine]

Amusing, but a myth nonetheless.

IF Henry Ford (a great admirer of Adolph Hitler as Hitler was of him) sold only as many cars as he had employees, he'd have gone broke. He was able to sell his cars for less than his competition.

Henry Ford greatly improved his production with the assembly line so he could afford to pay the employees more. The production was improved by the line, not the workers working faster.

If employees make more, they spend more. Whoever they bought things from would have then been able to afford to buy the cars too. Next, it might interest you to know that Henry Ford didn't invent the assembly line. And assembly line or not, that doesn't limit the amount of work employers expect out of their employees.

 

[quarantine]

Yeah but she is all alone in killing herself because of it....maybe she should have sold perfume at the mall.....

How low do you have to be to disparage a heroic health care worker. Do you kick puppies and kittens too? Dead from suicide or not, she was a better person than you could ever hope to be.

 

[quarantine]

A documentary from the far-left NPR...need we say more?

Published February 1, 2020
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'
By Joe McDonald, Sam McNeil | Associated Press
[...]
On Friday, the United States declared a public health emergency and President Donald Trump and an order barring entry to foreign nationals, other than immediate family of American citizens and permanent residents, who visited China within the last 14 days, which scientists say is the virus’s longest incubation period.

'Unfriendly comments'
China criticized the U.S. controls, which it said contradicted the WHO’s appeal to avoid travel bans, and “unfriendly comments” that Beijing was failing to cooperate.

“Just as the WHO recommended against travel restrictions, the U.S. rushed to go in the opposite way. Certainly not a gesture of goodwill,” said foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.

WHO Secretary-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in Geneva that despite the emergency declaration, there is “no reason for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade.”
[...]
China slams Trump's coronavirus travel limits: 'Not a gesture of goodwill'

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Democrat Response to Coronavirus: End Trump’s Travel Bans on China, Iran
JOHN BINDER 11 Mar 2020 2:58

House and Senate Democrats are responding to the coronavirus outbreak in the United States by supporting measures to effectively strip President Trump of his authority to impose travel bans to protect American citizens.

While Trump has implemented travel bans on China and Iran — two of the most coronavirus-affected nations in the world — House Democrats are looking to roll back the president’s authority to enact travel bans from regions of the world.

Dems' Response to Coronavirus: End Trump's Travel Bans on China, Iran

House Democrats are responding to the coronavirus outbreak by trying to strip President Trump of his authority to implement travel bans.

www.breitbart.com

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Coronavirus: China’s 17 day delay in releasing genome sequence of COVID-19
Health authorities have issued a dire warning about coronavirus as it continues to spread rapidly across China and the world.
Staff writers and wires
news.com.au FEBRUARY 13, 20207:23AM

17 DAY DELAY
There was a 17 day delay in the release of critical information about coronavirus during the crucial early stages of the outbreak, it’s been revealed.

A group of scientists is now calling for changes in the way new viruses are reported.

In a letter to medical journal The Lancet, the scientists said one of the important lessons from the outbreak was a delay in releasing information.

“The Chinese authorities ruled out SARS and MERS, as well as a few other non-coronaviruses, on January 5, and confirmed a novel coronavirus as a potential cause on January 9,” they said in the Lancet.

“However, the genome sequence — crucial for rapid development of diagnostics needed in an outbreak response — was not released until January 12, 2020 — 17 days after the preliminary sequence data were obtained.”

China’s critical 17 day virus delay

The World Health Organisation is warning the opportunity to stem the international spread of the coronavirus outbreak is fading

www.news.com.au

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WOW! Chris Wallace CALLS OUT a Stunned Pelosi for Pushing Tourism to Chinatown in Late February (VIDEO)
By Jim Hoft
Published April 19, 2020 at 11:03am

Back in late February, 4 weeks after President Trump banned flights from China from entering the US, Speaker Pelosi was out urging tourists to hit San Francisco’s Chinatown.

Jan 31 — President Trump banned flights from China.
Feb. 5 — Democrats blasted President Trump for his China travel ban.
Feb 24 — Pelosi was pushing tourism to Chinatown.
March 13 — NY Mayor DeBlasio encourages New Yorkers to go about their daily lives as usual.

Last week Pelosi deleted a video of herself on Twitter walking around in Chinatown on February 24 downplaying the Coronavirus and urging people to “come to Chinatown.”

WOW! Chris Wallace CALLS OUT a Stunned Pelosi for Pushing Tourism to Chinatown in Late February (VIDEO)

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Journalists Forget Their Own Predictions: Millions of Americans to Die

Jeffrey Lord
May 30th, 2020 11:00 AM

From The New York Times on March 13: “As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.”

From The New York Times on March 16: “Sweeping new federal recommendations announced on Monday for Americans to sharply limit their activities appeared to draw on a dire scientific report warning that, without action by the government and individuals to slow the spread of coronavirus and suppress new cases, 2.2 million people in the United States could die.”

From The Washington Post, March 19: “In the worst-case scenario, America is on a trajectory toward 1.1 million deaths.”

From MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell, March 24: If Americans go to Easter services: “If that happened on Easter Sunday, just 19 days from now, then in May, you’d have millions of dead people all over the country. Millions,” O’Donnell said on his MSNBC show. “If you have packed churches all over the country, including California, on Easter Sunday, by May there could be a million dead people in California.”

From Andrew Slavitt, Barack Obama’s former acting administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS): “Currently experts expect over one million deaths in the U.S. since the virus was not contained & we cannot even test for it.”

From infectious disease specialist Michael Osterholm to podcaster Joe Rogan the week of March 12: “We conservatively estimate that this could require 48 million hospitalizations, 96 million cases actually occurring, over 480,000 deaths that can occur over the next three to seven months…”

From CNN: “On State of the Union, Dr. Anthony Fauci tells Brianna Keilar that in a worst-case scenario millions of people in the US could die from the coronavirus.”

From Yahoo: "At the low end of the projection this would mean about 700,000 deaths. At the high end it would mean 1.5 million deaths.”

In other words? By this point, there were estimates aplenty in the media that there would be anywhere from almost a half million to 1.5 million to 2.2 million dead Americans. But mysteriously in all the stories about the 100,000 dead Americans there is no mention - zero - of earlier media predictions that there would be ten or twenty times that number of deaths.

Journalists Forget Their Own Predictions: Millions of Americans to Die

No matter how you try to paint it, Trump fucked up in dealing with the coronavirus. Anything he did was a month or two too late. And calling it a hoax in the beginning is just part of it.

 

[Markle]

If employees make more, they spend more. Whoever they bought things from would have then been able to afford to buy the cars too. Next, it might interest you to know that Henry Ford didn't invent the assembly line. And assembly line or not, that doesn't limit the amount of work employers expect out of their employees.

Not surprising but you are making no sense.

 

[quarantine]

REALLY?

Why you lie so much?

Confirmation: Chinese Officials Told Labs to Destroy Coronavirus Samples
Beth Baumann
Posted: May 17, 2020 4:40 PM

Multiple government agencies from various countries, including the United States, have concluded that the coronavirus started in a lab in Wuhan. The Chinese regime did everything in their power to cover up the virus, including gagging medical personnel and reporters that were trying to sound the alarm. It was believed that the laboratories were destroying samples of the Wuhan coronavirus to cover up the country's responsibility for the pandemic.

Chinese officials confirmed that labs were told to destroy samples of the coronavirus. China’s National Health Commission official Liu Dengfeng, however, says the labs destroyed the samples, not to cover up their culpability, but “for pandemic prevention and control, which also played an important role in preventing biosafety risks.”

Confirmation: Chinese Officials Told Labs to Destroy Coronavirus Samples

The Chinese screwed up with the coronavirus. The story is told in the PBS documentary, "The Virus: What went wrong." As far as the virus having gotten loose from a lab is likely bullshit. If the Chinese knew what was happening was caused by them, they would have done more about it sooner. Instead of silencing doctors who spoke of the danger.

 

[quarantine]

It's not a choice between the two.

Human lives are dependent on the economy.

You cannot destroy the economy without destroying human lives.

See also: The Great Leap Forward.

There, the economy of China was destroyed, not through willful malice, as is being attempted this time, and defended by you, but through extreme incompetence. The graph below shows the worldwide death rate, by year, from 1950 to 2017. This includes deaths from all causes, war, crime, violence, disease, everything. See that big spike, around 1960? That wasn't a war. That wasn't biological disease. That was the result of China destroying its own economy. That's what your kind are trying to do, here in America. And that's what the result will be if your kind succeed.

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Fuck the economy. If people can't survive without the economy as it is, we just need a different economy. Causing massive amounts of death isn't the way to go. Food and shelter are the main things that people need. Along with things like utilities, being able to keep clean, etc. Everything else is bullshit. Maybe if having people flip each other's burgers isn't doing the trick, maybe our country needs to start employing people to build pyramids or great walls.

As to your graph, doing something different with the economy isn't what caused so many deaths in China. The problem was that from what I was taught, they suffered a famine. A real "no food is growing" type of famine. Not a manufactured famine like the Holodomor.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

How low do you have to be to disparage a heroic health care worker. Do you kick puppies and kittens too? Dead from suicide or not, she was a better person than you could ever hope to be.

No lower than one has to be to exploit a tragic story involving a health care worker, in the manner that you did, to promote an overtly evil and insane political agenda, that the worker in question would very likely not have supported, and not approved of her story being used to promote.

 

[quarantine]

Capitalism isn't the problem.

The undeniable fact is that there will not be food, toilet paper, medical care, housing, utilities, or any of the other things that people need to survive, and to go about their lives, unless there are enough people working to produce and distribute these things.

No matter what kind of economic system you try to arrange, no matter what games you play with regard to who trades what for what, it just is not possible to support the world's human population with only a minority of those willing and able being allowed to work, trying to produce the goods and services needed for themselves and the larger idle majority to survive.

You are delusional. At first, toilet paper was hard to find. But for the most part, shortages are being filled. Despite that, many many many millions are unemployed. If goods and services isn't doing it, what is. Whatever it is, it is something it is the government's job to fix. As I said to someone else, if people can't work normally, the government needs to employ them building pyramids or great walls. Those and many other ancient great social projects is what civilizations did to employ people in the past. Maybe we need to take a lesson from history.

 

[quarantine]

No lower than one has to be to exploit a tragic story involving a health care worker, in the manner that you did, to promote an overtly evil and insane political agenda, that the worker in question would very likely not have supported, and not approved of her story being used to promote.

Don't try to defend your scumminess. Saving lives is what doctors do. Any doctor would likely tell you that lives should come before any economic cult.

 

[Markle]

No matter how you try to paint it, Trump fucked up in dealing with the coronavirus. Anything he did was a month or two too late. And calling it a hoax in the beginning is just part of it.

I'm not "painting" anything. I simply posted the facts.

Nothing was known about the virus when President Trump made that statement. So what? Would you have preferred this?

 

[quarantine]

How long do you think that will last, if you and your kind are successful in crashing the economy the way you've been trying, so far, for the last few months, to do?

Your mother's pantry doesn't just magically restock itself. People out there in The Real World have to work to produce it. People have to work in the farms and in the factories. People have to drive trucks, and work in warehouses and distribution centers to organize and distribute this food, and ultimately, deliver it to the stores. While you're hiding in her basement, your mother needs to go out and buy this food from the stores where the aforementioned process has made them available. And she and/or your sperm donor had to work to earn the money with which to buy that food.

Trash the economy, trash the process by which food is produced, distributed, and finds its way to your mother's kitchen, and you'll starve just like everyone else.

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