Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

[TakeAStepBack]

They live longer if they receive assistance. The difference is usually quality of life. They can literally live in shit if nobody helps them. Some don't have kids to support them or kids who don't give a fuck. But then is it society's best interest to help them live longer?

How about they help themselves and if they do then we step in and also help?
Not my responsibility to raise their "quality of life".
I have MY OWN quality of life to worry about.
It is not in my best interest to help parasites live longer.

In other words, fuck them?

n other words, personal responsibility. It's not my responsibility to care for any that I chose not to care for. And nor should it. This applies to every single person. The fact that you guys continue to use appeal to emotion arguments to justify conscripting people onto paying for something for someone else tells the tale all too well.

 

[kaz]

Very well said and presented, excellent!
But I do disagree with the morality part. I strongly "persuade" family to live what our family believes to be "moral", as just this week I had a long talk with a relative about their bed hopping with a kid in each marriage and little to no funds to care for them, yet believe it is never my right to attempt to persuade anyone else to conform to my set of standards on "morality".
Believe everyone should have a right to do that same as I believe everyone has a right to persuade others to eat plain doughnuts instead of jelly.
However, the moral police be they for good reason or not have no place in society as in most instances they do more harm than good. Some folks believe tattoos are immoral and others do not. Leave that up to the families and churches for their own members.

I appreciate that, gadawg, but I'm a little confused. You said you disagreed with me on the morality part and we are both against government imposing morality laws. So how are you disagreeing with me?

"persuade"

I'm not clear what you're saying. Are you saying that people don't have the right to try to persuade other people to see their views?

 

[Dad2three]

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There is nothing evil about Social Security and Medicare. Anyone who would end those programs would make an authoritarian look like Gandhi. s

excuse me fucktard

But FORCING people to join a ponzi scheme is UNamerican,, UNconstitutional , tyrannical.

Nothing prevents your ilk from joining any bankrupt investment scam. See if you can get Madoff out of jail and have a great time.

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It's called insurance dumbass, and REPEATEDLY been ruled CONSTITUTIONAL!

 

[Bfgrn]

How about they help themselves and if they do then we step in and also help?
Not my responsibility to raise their "quality of life".
I have MY OWN quality of life to worry about.
It is not in my best interest to help parasites live longer.

In other words, fuck them?

n other words, personal responsibility. It's not my responsibility to care for any that I chose not to care for. And nor should it. This applies to every single person. The fact that you guys continue to use appeal to emotion arguments to justify conscripting people onto paying for something for someone else tells the tale all too well.

NO ONE is asking you to. Social Security and Medicare are INSURANCE programs.

Without those programs you WOULD BE asked to care for those elderly citizens.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

In other words, fuck them?

n other words, personal responsibility. It's not my responsibility to care for any that I chose not to care for. And nor should it. This applies to every single person. The fact that you guys continue to use appeal to emotion arguments to justify conscripting people onto paying for something for someone else tells the tale all too well.

NO ONE is asking you to. Social Security and Medicare are INSURANCE programs.

Without those programs you WOULD BE asked to care for those elderly citizens.

You're so full of bullshit. Insurance is a consumer service. It is something people obtain, or at least they used to, by voluntary means. Meaning if they choose not to get it, they pay out of pocket. Or they deal with the consequences of not having either. There is nothing voluntary about SS or medicare, just like there is nothing voluntary about ACA. These are not choices, they are forced schemes, and terribly unsustainable ones at that.

 

[Contumacious]

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There is nothing evil about Social Security and Medicare. Anyone who would end those programs would make an authoritarian look like Gandhi. s

excuse me fucktard

But FORCING people to join a ponzi scheme is UNamerican,, UNconstitutional , tyrannical.

Nothing prevents your ilk from joining any bankrupt investment scam. See if you can get Madoff out of jail and have a great time.

.

It's called insurance dumbass, and REPEATEDLY been ruled CONSTITUTIONAL!

It is a ponzi scheme.

I don't need you or any government scumbag to force me to buy "insurance"

The 2nd circuit court of appeals ruled that it was unconstitutional. The low life scumbags in SCOTUS ruled that it was constitutional in order to prevent FDR from packing the court and causing a constitutional crisis. That is blackmail.

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[Bfgrn]

n other words, personal responsibility. It's not my responsibility to care for any that I chose not to care for. And nor should it. This applies to every single person. The fact that you guys continue to use appeal to emotion arguments to justify conscripting people onto paying for something for someone else tells the tale all too well.

NO ONE is asking you to. Social Security and Medicare are INSURANCE programs.

Without those programs you WOULD BE asked to care for those elderly citizens.

You're so full of bullshit. Insurance is a consumer service. It is something people obtain, or at least they used to, by voluntary means. Meaning if they choose not to get it, they pay out of pocket. Or they deal with the consequences of not having either. There is nothing voluntary about SS or medicare, just like there is nothing voluntary about ACA. These are not choices, they are forced schemes, and terribly unsustainable ones at that.

You just can't wait to harm people can you? Those programs have SAVED millions of lives. They have save citizens MILLIONS of dollars.

Social security is a concept enshrined in Article 22 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which states:

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

You and your ilk just can't understand human decency and civilized existence. It is because of these great programs that turds like you never have to find out what you call for would really look like.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Appeal to Emotion failure, yet again.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security

What about those who would prefer NOT to pay into, or use social security? Do you support their right to free choice and bow out?


Of course you dont.

 

[thanatos144]

Appeal to Emotion failure, yet again.

Then stop doing it

Tapatalk

 

[Bfgrn]

Well kaz, the premise of your thread has been easily debunked. Not by any comments from liberals, but by the very comments of your 'libertarian' buddies. Moderate people speak in moderate terms. These ideas forwarded by you ilk are not moderate. They are extreme, dogmatic and based on an ideology that society should not be civilized, or based on the rule of law, it should be based on the law of the jungle...survival of the fittest, or richest.

There is nothing remotely 'moderate' about their extremism.

Dwight D. Eisenhower is the epitome of moderate.

Document #1147; November 8, 1954
To Edgar Newton Eisenhower

"Now it is true that I believe this country is following a dangerous trend when it permits too great a degree of centralization of governmental functions. I oppose this--in some instances the fight is a rather desperate one. But to attain any success it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it. The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything--even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon "moderation" in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

 

[Dad2three]

excuse me fucktard

But FORCING people to join a ponzi scheme is UNamerican,, UNconstitutional , tyrannical.

Nothing prevents your ilk from joining any bankrupt investment scam. See if you can get Madoff out of jail and have a great time.

.

It's called insurance dumbass, and REPEATEDLY been ruled CONSTITUTIONAL!

It is a ponzi scheme.

I don't need you or any government scumbag to force me to buy "insurance"

The 2nd circuit court of appeals ruled that it was unconstitutional. The low life scumbags in SCOTUS ruled that it was constitutional in order to prevent FDR from packing the court and causing a constitutional crisis. That is blackmail.

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And SCOTUS has CONTINUALLY ruled SS, Medicare, Medicaid, WELFARE, ETC as CONSTITUTIONAL. Go figure.

 

[Dad2three]

Appeal to Emotion failure, yet again.

No HISTORY. SS today keeps nearly 50% of seniors out of poverty. Conservatives/libertarians (people 'believing in' myths and fairy tales) want US to return to the days of Dickens novels!

 

[Contumacious]

It's called insurance dumbass, and REPEATEDLY been ruled CONSTITUTIONAL!

It is a ponzi scheme.

I don't need you or any government scumbag to force me to buy "insurance"

The 2nd circuit court of appeals ruled that it was unconstitutional. The low life scumbags in SCOTUS ruled that it was constitutional in order to prevent FDR from packing the court and causing a constitutional crisis. That is blackmail.

.

And SCOTUS has CONTINUALLY ruled SS, Medicare, Medicaid, WELFARE, ETC as CONSTITUTIONAL. Go figure.

SCOTUS justices are government employees.

Reason we have a gargantuan government which controls everything and respects no one's rights.

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[Dad2three]

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security

What about those who would prefer NOT to pay into, or use social security? Do you support their right to free choice and bow out?


Of course you dont.

Sure I do, there are MANY places you can go if you want to bow out of society. Try Somalia or Dubya's Iraq!

 

[Dad2three]

n other words, personal responsibility. It's not my responsibility to care for any that I chose not to care for. And nor should it. This applies to every single person. The fact that you guys continue to use appeal to emotion arguments to justify conscripting people onto paying for something for someone else tells the tale all too well.

NO ONE is asking you to. Social Security and Medicare are INSURANCE programs.

Without those programs you WOULD BE asked to care for those elderly citizens.

You're so full of bullshit. Insurance is a consumer service. It is something people obtain, or at least they used to, by voluntary means. Meaning if they choose not to get it, they pay out of pocket. Or they deal with the consequences of not having either. There is nothing voluntary about SS or medicare, just like there is nothing voluntary about ACA. These are not choices, they are forced schemes, and terribly unsustainable ones at that.

"and terribly unsustainable ones at that"

Weird, Germany had had SS for nearly 150 years. The US has PLENTY of money to sustain both programs, of course it would mean the 'job creators' will need to TAKE much less of the pie than they currently do AND pay a higher tax burden like they did pre Reaganomics!

 

[dblack]

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security

What about those who would prefer NOT to pay into, or use social security? Do you support their right to free choice and bow out?


Of course you dont.

Sure I do, there are MANY places you can go if you want to bow out of society. Try Somalia or Dubya's Iraq!

Somalia!!!!

 

[dblack]

How about they help themselves and if they do then we step in and also help?
Not my responsibility to raise their "quality of life".
I have MY OWN quality of life to worry about.
It is not in my best interest to help parasites live longer.

In other words, fuck them?

n other words, personal responsibility. It's not my responsibility to care for any that I chose not to care for. And nor should it. This applies to every single person. The fact that you guys continue to use appeal to emotion arguments to justify conscripting people onto paying for something for someone else tells the tale all too well.

Exactly.

I, for one, think we should help them, and that's what I try to do. But I don't think people should go to jail if they don't join me in that effort.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

NO ONE is asking you to. Social Security and Medicare are INSURANCE programs.

Without those programs you WOULD BE asked to care for those elderly citizens.

You're so full of bullshit. Insurance is a consumer service. It is something people obtain, or at least they used to, by voluntary means. Meaning if they choose not to get it, they pay out of pocket. Or they deal with the consequences of not having either. There is nothing voluntary about SS or medicare, just like there is nothing voluntary about ACA. These are not choices, they are forced schemes, and terribly unsustainable ones at that.

You just can't wait to harm people can you? Those programs have SAVED millions of lives. They have save citizens MILLIONS of dollars.

Social security is a concept enshrined in Article 22 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which states:

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

You and your ilk just can't understand human decency and civilized existence. It is because of these great programs that turds like you never have to find out what you call for would really look like.

I am not bound by a document I totally disagree with.

 

[Bfgrn]

You're so full of bullshit. Insurance is a consumer service. It is something people obtain, or at least they used to, by voluntary means. Meaning if they choose not to get it, they pay out of pocket. Or they deal with the consequences of not having either. There is nothing voluntary about SS or medicare, just like there is nothing voluntary about ACA. These are not choices, they are forced schemes, and terribly unsustainable ones at that.

You just can't wait to harm people can you? Those programs have SAVED millions of lives. They have save citizens MILLIONS of dollars.

Social security is a concept enshrined in Article 22 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which states:

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

You and your ilk just can't understand human decency and civilized existence. It is because of these great programs that turds like you never have to find out what you call for would really look like.

I am not bound by a document I totally disagree with.

WHY am I not surprised?

Jesus used physical force and beat the crap out of people that offended him, would you prefer that approach?