Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

[boedicca]

And your problem is that you think "We the People" amounts to simple majority rule. It doesn't. It requires that we respect of the will of ALL of the people, not just the majority. Democrats used to get this. Nowadays, not so much.

Do Lbertarians respect the will of ALL the people?

It seems they are only interested in themselves

Libertarians are infants. Me, myself, and I is there mantra...

You are a moron.

 

[dblack]

Unfortunately, the anarchists have taken over the libertarians

Your problem is that We the People get to determine how big a government we want

And your problem is that you think "We the People" amounts to simple majority rule. It doesn't. It requires that we respect of the will of ALL of the people, not just the majority. Democrats used to get this. Nowadays, not so much.

Do Lbertarians respect the will of ALL the people?

It seems they are only interested in themselves

Yeah. You keep saying that. And I'm quite sure there so-called libertarians out there who will prove you right. But, what they are 'interested' in is irrelevant, as long as they respect the equal rights of others. That's the core of the ideology.

I'm pretty sure you understand this, and are just on here to sling the usual partisan smears - pissing off tea-party Republicans, tweaking evangelicals, etc... That's all fine, and can be lots of fun, but you drag genuine libertarian philosophy through the mud when you do, and that's just dishonest.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I was going to ask you if you read the OP, but I won't bother.

Anarchists are specifically excluded from this, so you're missing the point as you typically do.

I'm not knocking anarchists, they just aren't moderates. It's small government libertarians who are moderates.

Unfortunately, the anarchists have taken over the libertarians

Your problem is that We the People get to determine how big a government we want

And your problem is that you think "We the People" amounts to simple majority rule. It doesn't. It requires that we respect of the will of ALL of the people, not just the majority. Democrats used to get this. Nowadays, not so much.

You can't respect the will of all people. That's absurd.

 

[dblack]

Unfortunately, the anarchists have taken over the libertarians

Your problem is that We the People get to determine how big a government we want

And your problem is that you think "We the People" amounts to simple majority rule. It doesn't. It requires that we respect of the will of ALL of the people, not just the majority. Democrats used to get this. Nowadays, not so much.

You can't respect the will of all people. That's absurd.

See what I mean?

 

[NYcarbineer]

And your problem is that you think "We the People" amounts to simple majority rule. It doesn't. It requires that we respect of the will of ALL of the people, not just the majority. Democrats used to get this. Nowadays, not so much.

You can't respect the will of all people. That's absurd.

See what I mean?

A majority vote passed the Affordable Care Act. It's law. Now you tell us how we must respect the will of the minority who didn't want it passed.

 

[dblack]

You can't respect the will of all people. That's absurd.

See what I mean?

A majority vote passed the Affordable Care Act. It's law. Now you tell us how we must respect the will of the minority who didn't want it passed.

Repeal it. Or modify it to make participation voluntary. But then, that's about the same effect, right?

 

[jillian]

today's whining version of libertarians is nothing more than the political equivalent of children stamping their feet, crossing their arms and holding their breath til they turn blue.

 

[kaz]

What force?

Even Libertarians have to pay their taxes

I was going to ask you if you read the OP, but I won't bother.

Anarchists are specifically excluded from this, so you're missing the point as you typically do.

I'm not knocking anarchists, they just aren't moderates. It's small government libertarians who are moderates.

Unfortunately, the anarchists have taken over the libertarians

You're a fracking moron who has no idea what you are talking about. The vast majority of libertarians are not anarchists. The Libertarian party are not anarchists. This is empty drivel.

BTW, RW, you and [MENTION=20947]The Rabbi[/MENTION] are two peas in a pod. I kept saying, small government libertarians, he kept saying, you mean anarchists? I said no, I said not anarchists, small government libertarians. Just so you know, you two are on the same page, you can't grasp "small government." Only anarchy and the big government Republicans and Democrats want. I thought you'd both get a kick out of your vehement agreement.

Your problem is that We the People get to determine how big a government we want

My problem is that you are ignoring the Constitution to do it.

 

[kaz]

Unfortunately, the anarchists have taken over the libertarians

Your problem is that We the People get to determine how big a government we want

And your problem is that you think "We the People" amounts to simple majority rule. It doesn't. It requires that we respect of the will of ALL of the people, not just the majority. Democrats used to get this. Nowadays, not so much.

Do Lbertarians respect the will of ALL the people?

It seems they are only interested in themselves

You're confusing libertarians with liberals.

 

[eagle1462010]

And your problem is that you think "We the People" amounts to simple majority rule. It doesn't. It requires that we respect of the will of ALL of the people, not just the majority. Democrats used to get this. Nowadays, not so much.

You can't respect the will of all people. That's absurd.

See what I mean?

Well that went completely over their heads..........

 

[eagle1462010]

The Constitution was designed to protect all the people, which is exactly why they put in the checks and balances. They knew what happened to Greece and other pure democracies...........These systems failed in the end because of the tyranny of a simple majority of the people over the rest of the people. Well, that's part of it.

When the Dems gained all the control, they attempted to steam roll their liberal agenda through and they damn well succeed in pushing their ideologies on everyone. If it wasn't for the System in place and some Blue Dogs they would have succeeded.

They then claimed...............THE PEOPLE WILLED IT.....................No they did not...Even though you controlled all at the time you still only had a small victory in terms of the population of the United States. You forget that about 45% of the nation was telling you where you can shove your agenda.

Later your own side even went against you and you lost the house. The only reason you passed the ACA is because of Woodrow Wilson. Who changed the way Senators are selected. He took away the voice of the State Legislatures........And had that been in place, you would had a Snow Balls chance in hell passing it. Wilson understood it's much harder to buy off an Entire State than two Senators.............And now we have career politicians bought and paid for who back in the day would have been recalled for voting for the ACA..............

Your side should bow to his grave.

I believe the concepts and principles of the Constitution have been lost, and MUST be restored to save our nation from the final stages of Dependency. As we have learned that once we can get money from the coffers of the country there is no turning back.

The Founding Fathers Warned us about this and they called it USURY, and the Tyranny of the Majority.

 

[eagle1462010]

I have gained a lot of respect for Kaz in this thread. She has given me dang Goose Pimples with here responses.........I'm proud of her stand, and although I do not agree with all of the issues many of her's and the libertarian principles coincide with mine.............

I've watched people who I agree with, trounce her when she's stating almost exactly the talking points as theirs and mine for that matter.

The Liberals aren't really liberals. The true meaning of that term is lost on them. The liberals of this nations past wouldn't even consider them one of their own.

 

[NYcarbineer]

See what I mean?

A majority vote passed the Affordable Care Act. It's law. Now you tell us how we must respect the will of the minority who didn't want it passed.

Repeal it. Or modify it to make participation voluntary. But then, that's about the same effect, right?

Then you're disrespecting the will of the majority.

 

[eagle1462010]

Unfortunately, the anarchists have taken over the libertarians

Your problem is that We the People get to determine how big a government we want

And your problem is that you think "We the People" amounts to simple majority rule. It doesn't. It requires that we respect of the will of ALL of the people, not just the majority. Democrats used to get this. Nowadays, not so much.

You can't respect the will of all people. That's absurd.

But when you have a small majority for a short period of time, you spout off the WILL OF THE PEOPLE when nearly half the country thinks your policies are BS..............

And your side continually champions the immoral side of the equation, saying their rights can't be trampled on............Like they are your pets..................But you have problem trouncing on the rights of nearly half the country on the ACA...........and the majority of the people who believe in God.

 

[eagle1462010]

A majority vote passed the Affordable Care Act. It's law. Now you tell us how we must respect the will of the minority who didn't want it passed.

Repeal it. Or modify it to make participation voluntary. But then, that's about the same effect, right?

Then you're disrespecting the will of the majority.

The majority helped get your side elected for a short time, but you sure as hell didn't have a majority after you rammed it home.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Because government employs the threat of force to achieve its ends.

We the People want you to pay your taxes. If you don't, we have empowered government to take punative action against you. Mostly they will garnish your wages or seize your assets. But if you are a real dick about it, you will go to jail

You seem to be missing the point.

We should only resort to force when it's truly necessary.

The government was delegated the power to use force by the People. You can't have a government without the use of force. If you didn't need force you wouldn't need a government.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Repeal it. Or modify it to make participation voluntary. But then, that's about the same effect, right?

Then you're disrespecting the will of the majority.

The majority helped get your side elected for a short time, but you sure as hell didn't have a majority after you rammed it home.

Laws don't expire when the majority that enacted them no longer exists. Even you should be able to grasp that irrefutable fact.

 

[occupied]

Libertarianism is the all-purpose debate tool of the politically ignorant, you just have to be against practically everything, hate the poor and never have to defend the policies of any politician. Oh and you get to say totally nasty things to people and call it a rebuttal.

 

[dblack]

A majority vote passed the Affordable Care Act. It's law. Now you tell us how we must respect the will of the minority who didn't want it passed.

Repeal it. Or modify it to make participation voluntary. But then, that's about the same effect, right?

Then you're disrespecting the will of the majority.

Yep. When the will of the majority overrides the will of the rest of the people (which includes the rights of the minority) that's what should happen. That's the fundamental deal with freedom. We have the freedom to do whatever we want as long as our actions don't violate someone else's equal freedom to do what they want. Having the support of the majority doesn't make it okay to bully others for your convenience. Might doesn't make right.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And your problem is that you think "We the People" amounts to simple majority rule. It doesn't. It requires that we respect of the will of ALL of the people, not just the majority. Democrats used to get this. Nowadays, not so much.

You can't respect the will of all people. That's absurd.

But when you have a small majority for a short period of time, you spout off the WILL OF THE PEOPLE when nearly half the country thinks your policies are BS..............

And your side continually champions the immoral side of the equation, saying their rights can't be trampled on............Like they are your pets..................But you have problem trouncing on the rights of nearly half the country on the ACA...........and the majority of the people who believe in God.

Then why did Republicans block the background check bill when it had 90% support of the People? Where did you state your outrage at that?