Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

[eagle1462010]

We the People want you to pay your taxes. If you don't, we have empowered government to take punative action against you. Mostly they will garnish your wages or seize your assets. But if you are a real dick about it, you will go to jail

You seem to be missing the point.

We should only resort to force when it's truly necessary.

The government was delegated the power to use force by the People. You can't have a government without the use of force. If you didn't need force you wouldn't need a government.

And again this wasn't needed until Wilson came along..................The original plan was far better than the one we have today.

A Flat tax would generate more money, and it would be UNIFORM across the country for all people. A progressive tax structure's roots are in Socialism and Communism in their infant stages..............

You praise the use of our tax system as the current IRS abuses it's authority and attacks those who don't agree with the current administration.

The IRS needs to be castrated.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Repeal it. Or modify it to make participation voluntary. But then, that's about the same effect, right?

Then you're disrespecting the will of the majority.

Yep. When the will of the majority overrides the will of the rest of the people (which includes the rights of the minority) that's what should happen. That's the fundamental deal with freedom. We have the freedom to do whatever we want as long as our actions don't violate someone else's equal freedom to do what they want. Having the support of the majority doesn't make it okay to bully others for your convenience. Might doesn't make right.

Then why have any laws? If every law is an unfair assault on someone's freedom to do other than the law allows,

how can any law be just in your world?

 

[eagle1462010]

Then you're disrespecting the will of the majority.

The majority helped get your side elected for a short time, but you sure as hell didn't have a majority after you rammed it home.

Laws don't expire when the majority that enacted them no longer exists. Even you should be able to grasp that irrefutable fact.

And they can be repealed when that majority is thrown to the curb. You will not maintain power much longer. So enjoy it while it lasts............You already have a lame duck in office, who may very well have to break out the veto stamp soon as you lose the Senate.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You seem to be missing the point.

We should only resort to force when it's truly necessary.

The government was delegated the power to use force by the People. You can't have a government without the use of force. If you didn't need force you wouldn't need a government.

And again this wasn't needed until Wilson came along..................The original plan was far better than the one we have today.

A Flat tax would generate more money, and it would be UNIFORM across the country for all people. A progressive tax structure's roots are in Socialism and Communism in their infant stages..............

You praise the use of our tax system as the current IRS abuses it's authority and attacks those who don't agree with the current administration.

The IRS needs to be castrated.

Every tax takes away the freedom of someone not to pay it just because they don't like it, which according to you is some sort of injustice.

You want taxes to be voluntary, which means we'd collect little if any.

 

[eagle1462010]

You can't respect the will of all people. That's absurd.

But when you have a small majority for a short period of time, you spout off the WILL OF THE PEOPLE when nearly half the country thinks your policies are BS..............

And your side continually champions the immoral side of the equation, saying their rights can't be trampled on............Like they are your pets..................But you have problem trouncing on the rights of nearly half the country on the ACA...........and the majority of the people who believe in God.

Then why did Republicans block the background check bill when it had 90% support of the People? Where did you state your outrage at that?

Doubtful that 90% of the people agreed with that. Did you receive that % from the KOS>

 

[NYcarbineer]

The majority helped get your side elected for a short time, but you sure as hell didn't have a majority after you rammed it home.

Laws don't expire when the majority that enacted them no longer exists. Even you should be able to grasp that irrefutable fact.

And they can be repealed when that majority is thrown to the curb. You will not maintain power much longer. So enjoy it while it lasts............You already have a lame duck in office, who may very well have to break out the veto stamp soon as you lose the Senate.

Ah, so you're going to use your majority to take away the rights of the minority.

lol, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[dblack]

Then you're disrespecting the will of the majority.

The majority helped get your side elected for a short time, but you sure as hell didn't have a majority after you rammed it home.

Laws don't expire when the majority that enacted them no longer exists.

Nor should they. You should put some thought into this. I'm not playing a game here. I'm making an important distinction between the will of the people and majority rule. Respecting the will of the people requires an understanding that everyone has a different will, and protecting our freedom to act on our individual will is the primary purpose of government.

 

[eagle1462010]

The government was delegated the power to use force by the People. You can't have a government without the use of force. If you didn't need force you wouldn't need a government.

And again this wasn't needed until Wilson came along..................The original plan was far better than the one we have today.

A Flat tax would generate more money, and it would be UNIFORM across the country for all people. A progressive tax structure's roots are in Socialism and Communism in their infant stages..............

You praise the use of our tax system as the current IRS abuses it's authority and attacks those who don't agree with the current administration.

The IRS needs to be castrated.

Every tax takes away the freedom of someone not to pay it just because they don't like it, which according to you is some sort of injustice.

You want taxes to be voluntary, which means we'd collect little if any.

BS........I want across the board flat taxes without the thousands of pages of BS that we currently wade through to pay our taxes. Under the original deal, States had to pay for the Federal Gov't on their share of the bill based on population. The states had to figure out how to pay it.

How many would be pissed with more spending when they actually have to pay the bill instead of using FIAT currency as it is now. We are spending money that we can't possibly pay back already.

 

[dblack]

Then you're disrespecting the will of the majority.

Yep. When the will of the majority overrides the will of the rest of the people (which includes the rights of the minority) that's what should happen. That's the fundamental deal with freedom. We have the freedom to do whatever we want as long as our actions don't violate someone else's equal freedom to do what they want. Having the support of the majority doesn't make it okay to bully others for your convenience. Might doesn't make right.

Then why have any laws? If every law is an unfair assault on someone's freedom to do other than the law allows,

how can any law be just in your world?

Lots of laws are just. I never said 'every law is an unfair assault on someone's freedom'. But ACA is.

 

[eagle1462010]

Laws don't expire when the majority that enacted them no longer exists. Even you should be able to grasp that irrefutable fact.

And they can be repealed when that majority is thrown to the curb. You will not maintain power much longer. So enjoy it while it lasts............You already have a lame duck in office, who may very well have to break out the veto stamp soon as you lose the Senate.

Ah, so you're going to use your majority to take away the rights of the minority.

lol, you don't know what you're talking about.

If the ACA is so righteous then that can't happen right................Another majority takes it away.....................

Which is exactly why these laws need to be written by both sides of the isle.........Not just being written as my way or the highway as the ACA was written............

So we get power and shit can it.
You get power back one day and restore it.
We shit can it.......and so on.

Which is BS. Perhaps your side of the equation shouldn't have rammed it down the throats of the people. The people will eventually take care of the ultimate outcome.

 

[jillian]

Yep. When the will of the majority overrides the will of the rest of the people (which includes the rights of the minority) that's what should happen. That's the fundamental deal with freedom. We have the freedom to do whatever we want as long as our actions don't violate someone else's equal freedom to do what they want. Having the support of the majority doesn't make it okay to bully others for your convenience. Might doesn't make right.

Then why have any laws? If every law is an unfair assault on someone's freedom to do other than the law allows,

how can any law be just in your world?

Lots of laws are just. I never said 'every law is an unfair assault on someone's freedom'. But ACA is.

only in rightwingnuthackworld

you idiots loved it when the heritage foundation came up with it

 

[dblack]

Then why have any laws? If every law is an unfair assault on someone's freedom to do other than the law allows,

how can any law be just in your world?

Lots of laws are just. I never said 'every law is an unfair assault on someone's freedom'. But ACA is.

only in rightwingnuthackworld

you idiots loved it when the heritage foundation came up with it

Not me. I'm not part of your puppet show.

 

[rightwinger]

And they can be repealed when that majority is thrown to the curb. You will not maintain power much longer. So enjoy it while it lasts............You already have a lame duck in office, who may very well have to break out the veto stamp soon as you lose the Senate.

Ah, so you're going to use your majority to take away the rights of the minority.

lol, you don't know what you're talking about.

If the ACA is so righteous then that can't happen right................Another majority takes it away.....................

Which is exactly why these laws need to be written by both sides of the isle.........Not just being written as my way or the highway as the ACA was written............

So we get power and shit can it.
You get power back one day and restore it.
We shit can it.......and so on.

Which is BS. Perhaps your side of the equation shouldn't have rammed it down the throats of the people. The people will eventually take care of the ultimate outcome.

The rightwing threw a hissy fit and insisted on blocking healthcare reform regardless of the cost. Obamacare was the Republican plan from 1994 and Romneycare. Not a single Republican would support their own plan.

Republucans tried to block all healthcare and ended up with nothing

 

[rightwinger]

You seem to be missing the point.

We should only resort to force when it's truly necessary.

The government was delegated the power to use force by the People. You can't have a government without the use of force. If you didn't need force you wouldn't need a government.

And again this wasn't needed until Wilson came along..................The original plan was far better than the one we have today.

A Flat tax would generate more money, and it would be UNIFORM across the country for all people. A progressive tax structure's roots are in Socialism and Communism in their infant stages..............

You praise the use of our tax system as the current IRS abuses it's authority and attacks those who don't agree with the current administration.

The IRS needs to be castrated.

A flat tax is welfare for the rich

There is not a flat tax that doesn't reduce rates for the wealthy

 

[eagle1462010]

The government was delegated the power to use force by the People. You can't have a government without the use of force. If you didn't need force you wouldn't need a government.

And again this wasn't needed until Wilson came along..................The original plan was far better than the one we have today.

A Flat tax would generate more money, and it would be UNIFORM across the country for all people. A progressive tax structure's roots are in Socialism and Communism in their infant stages..............

You praise the use of our tax system as the current IRS abuses it's authority and attacks those who don't agree with the current administration.

The IRS needs to be castrated.

A flat tax is welfare for the rich

There is not a flat tax that doesn't reduce rates for the wealthy

BS.........They pay a flat rate and that's it. Without any loopholes............You'd see an increase in revenues as a result.

Face it. You love the dang IRS...........I don't .

 

[rightwinger]

And again this wasn't needed until Wilson came along..................The original plan was far better than the one we have today.

A Flat tax would generate more money, and it would be UNIFORM across the country for all people. A progressive tax structure's roots are in Socialism and Communism in their infant stages..............

You praise the use of our tax system as the current IRS abuses it's authority and attacks those who don't agree with the current administration.

The IRS needs to be castrated.

A flat tax is welfare for the rich

There is not a flat tax that doesn't reduce rates for the wealthy

BS.........They pay a flat rate and that's it. Without any loopholes............You'd see an increase in revenues as a result.

Face it. You love the dang IRS...........I don't .

Face it. You love sucking up to the wealthy.......I don't

 

[eagle1462010]

A flat tax is welfare for the rich

There is not a flat tax that doesn't reduce rates for the wealthy

BS.........They pay a flat rate and that's it. Without any loopholes............You'd see an increase in revenues as a result.

Face it. You love the dang IRS...........I don't .

Face it. You love sucking up to the wealthy.......I don't

BS. You do it everyday as you praise Obama and the Dems............Hillary says she's broke now....poor thing............Maybe she's the poor you champion, because it sure isn't the american people.

 

[dblack]

We the People want you to pay your taxes. If you don't, we have empowered government to take punative action against you. Mostly they will garnish your wages or seize your assets. But if you are a real dick about it, you will go to jail

You seem to be missing the point.

We should only resort to force when it's truly necessary.

The government was delegated the power to use force by the People. You can't have a government without the use of force. If you didn't need force you wouldn't need a government.

You seem to be missing the point.

We should only resort to force when it's truly necessary.

 

[Bfgrn]

You are NO libertarian, and you are NOT moderate, you are right wing SCUM.

Give me an example of how I am right wing that is not libertarian. I'm slapping you in the face with my silk glove and saying you have nothing in your pants.

So, back it up.

I DID back it up. You decided to erase it from your reply. Instead of addressing what I said, you decided to whine.

Tell me scum bag. HOW do retired people survive in your childish and naive worldview?

 

[Contumacious]

You are NO libertarian, and you are NOT moderate, you are right wing SCUM.

Give me an example of how I am right wing that is not libertarian. I'm slapping you in the face with my silk glove and saying you have nothing in your pants.

So, back it up.

I DID back it up. You decided to erase it from your reply. Instead of addressing what I said, you decided to whine.

Tell me scum bag. HOW do retired people survive in your childish and naive worldview?

Let me count the ways:

Moe?

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