Liberals Win Again!

[Mertex]

What they're saying is that the means to practice sexual deviancy rises above the means of Christians to exercise their God-given inalienable rights.

Nobody is keeping Christians from exercising their beliefs. If you don't like homosexuality, don't practice it, but the Bible never says you have a right to shun, criticize, demonize and dehumanize someone because of their lifestyle. Jesus didn't call the woman at the well names, or shunned her or told her she was infringing on his beliefs.....and she was committing adultery, which according to the Bible, is a sin. So, what makes some of you think it is okay to call homosexuals names, and shun and discriminate against them? Where in the Bible does God/Jesus give you permission to do that?

 

[Mertex]

Ultra-Conservative Senator/Governor Mike Pence has changed his position.

Southern Conservative Senator/Governor Asa Huchinson is calling for a re-write before he signs it, making clear there will be no discrimination, and pointing out that the Federal law will be his guidepost, not a 'States Rights' position.

Liberals win again.

So this is a "win"?.....How so.. These laws are going in effect...Dumb

You are the dumb one if you really believe that.

 

[Bfgrn]

Ultra-Conservative Senator/Governor Mike Pence has changed his position.

Southern Conservative Senator/Governor Asa Huchinson is calling for a re-write before he signs it, making clear there will be no discrimination, and pointing out that the Federal law will be his guidepost, not a 'States Rights' position.

Liberals win again.

If Pence is willing to change his mind then ha cannot be a Conservative, nevermind an Ultra-Conservative. He IS a Liberal, So I'm not sure if that means the Libs win because they turned Pence into one of their own or if they lose for the same reason.

Glad one of you right wing turds are willing to admit that conservatism is dogma and doctrinaire.

Hayek agrees!

"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

 

[Mertex]

I have fun pointing out the hypocrisy of the left and will continue to do so.

While ignoring your own and the GOP's humongous hypocrisy. The fools making these laws claim to be Christian, yet they do the complete opposite of what Jesus commanded them to do. Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus tells anyone to shun, hate, discriminate against someone because you think they are sinners? Jesus spoke lovingly to the woman at the well who was committing adultery......he didn't call her names or shunned her, and he commands everyone of his followers to love their neighbor as themselves.

 

[Mertex]

You shouldn't be laughing so hard....the House and Senate where Republicans hold the majority just caved in to Obama on funding the DHS, after threatening to shut down the government. I guess being in control doesn't really mean being in control, eh?

Nice try LMAO are you serious? Mr Obama has devastated the democrat party. Maybe for years to come.

Laugh your ass all you want to.....it isn't Obama that is caving in to GOP's idiocy. Only in "bubble-land - Faux News" has Obama devastated the democratic party......in the real world, Obama has pulled the country out of the toilet where George W Bush put it.

 

[Mertex]

This thread is funny!

RFRA stands. SCOTUS ruled that it now is expanded to say businesses can have religious beliefs that need protection.

Indiana and Arkansas are just fine tuning the way their State version of the Federal law was written.

Putting in a clause that states for the stupid/ignorant/idiotic among us that this bill in no way allows a business to discriminate against anyone is not a victory for Liberals.

You might want to reconsider your beliefs on this issue. Even your "RedState" source believes he has surrendered.....if the bill didn't allow businesses to discriminate, why does Pence have to surrender? RedState thinks he is trying to have it both ways....hmmmm, I wonder what the other way could possibly mean?

Stick a fork in Mike Pence’s hopes of running for president. He’s done. Having done the right thing by protecting the religious freedom of the people of Indiana, he’s now negotiating a surrender. What is more troubling is that he seems to be trying to have it both ways.
Mike Pence prepares to cave RedState

 

[Rambunctious]

It's not only DC that has had a Republican take over during Obama's disastrous term in office...take a look at the state houses and Governorship's. Even down to traditionally held democrat seats across this nation have shifted away from the corrupt Big Ears DUMBOCRAP party. Put on your big boy pants and realize how wrong you are and have always been.

 

[auditor0007]

Ultra-Conservative Senator/Governor Mike Pence has changed his position.

Southern Conservative Senator/Governor Asa Huchinson is calling for a re-write before he signs it, making clear there will be no discrimination, and pointing out that the Federal law will be his guidepost, not a 'States Rights' position.

Liberals win again.

If Pence is willing to change his mind then ha cannot be a Conservative, nevermind an Ultra-Conservative. He IS a Liberal, So I'm not sure if that means the Libs win because they turned Pence into one of their own or if they lose for the same reason.

Thank you for establishing openly that to be conservative you must hate gays and want the right to discriminate against them. We knew this all along, but it is wonderful that you were able to confirm this so that there is no confusion in this matter.

 

[Mertex]

It's not only DC that has had a Republican take over during Obama's disastrous term in office...take a look at the state houses and Governorship's.

That is only due to the gerrymandering Republicans have been able to accomplish. I believe 2016 will show a different result. If not, the country is totally doomed.

 

[tinydancer]

This thread is funny!

RFRA stands. SCOTUS ruled that it now is expanded to say businesses can have religious beliefs that need protection.

Indiana and Arkansas are just fine tuning the way their State version of the Federal law was written.

Putting in a clause that states for the stupid/ignorant/idiotic among us that this bill in no way allows a business to discriminate against anyone is not a victory for Liberals.

You might want to reconsider your beliefs on this issue. Even your "RedState" source believes he has surrendered.....if the bill didn't allow businesses to discriminate, why does Pence have to surrender? RedState thinks he is trying to have it both ways....hmmmm, I wonder what the other way could possibly mean?

Stick a fork in Mike Pence’s hopes of running for president. He’s done. Having done the right thing by protecting the religious freedom of the people of Indiana, he’s now negotiating a surrender. What is more troubling is that he seems to be trying to have it both ways.
Mike Pence prepares to cave RedState

I don't care what RedState thinks. Pence isn't surrendering.

He's being very wise to send the legislation back for an amendment that makes it very clear that the bill itself does not allow nor endorse any person or business to discriminate.

Because people and idiotic CEO's have bought into the bullshit that is being driven by the media that Indiana's bill allows anyone and everyone willy nilly to discriminate against <fill in the blank>.

A blatant lie.

The State legislation is based on the RFRA that Schumer introduced, that President Clinton signed, that Senator Obama voted for.

The Indiana bill went one step further though based on the outcome of the Hobby Lobby decision by the Supreme Court.

It recognized for profit organizations or businesses had a religious right under RFRA.

Now everyone is running around and saying that this is the part that makes the bill evil.

But under the judgement of the SCOTUS it's bang on the money.

It's really that simple. Here's the part everyone is freaking about. But hey. They should go bitch to the Justices.

Check Section 7 - 3- B - 2. This only about for profit.

ETA: whoopsied forgot to add link

How Indiana s RFRA differs from federal version

 

[Lumpy 1]

Ultra-Conservative Senator/Governor Mike Pence has changed his position.

Southern Conservative Senator/Governor Asa Huchinson is calling for a re-write before he signs it, making clear there will be no discrimination, and pointing out that the Federal law will be his guidepost, not a 'States Rights' position.

Liberals win again.

If Pence is willing to change his mind then ha cannot be a Conservative, nevermind an Ultra-Conservative. He IS a Liberal, So I'm not sure if that means the Libs win because they turned Pence into one of their own or if they lose for the same reason.

Glad one of you right wing turds are willing to admit that conservatism is dogma and doctrinaire.

Hayek agrees!

"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

I have fun pointing out the hypocrisy of the left and will continue to do so.

While ignoring your own and the GOP's humongous hypocrisy. The fools making these laws claim to be Christian, yet they do the complete opposite of what Jesus commanded them to do. Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus tells anyone to shun, hate, discriminate against someone because you think they are sinners? Jesus spoke lovingly to the woman at the well who was committing adultery......he didn't call her names or shunned her, and he commands everyone of his followers to love their neighbor as themselves.

It's kind of difficult to ignore humungous.

What the Indiana Governor did makes perfect and logical sense to me.He would like to balance the budget and get people to work.

Did they call it the "discrimination law" when they signed it ...

Why don't Democrats realize that the country is in debt and the "Golden Goose" is tapped out?

btw. I'm really not sure why you're quoting the bible when you have no faith or concept of right and wrong.

 

[candycorn]

Asa Hutchinson is delaying signing the hate bill on his desk thanks to the carnival in Indiana....too sweet.

 

[Stephanie]

Ultra-Conservative Senator/Governor Mike Pence has changed his position.

Southern Conservative Senator/Governor Asa Huchinson is calling for a re-write before he signs it, making clear there will be no discrimination, and pointing out that the Federal law will be his guidepost, not a 'States Rights' position.

Liberals win again.

If Pence is willing to change his mind then ha cannot be a Conservative, nevermind an Ultra-Conservative. He IS a Liberal, So I'm not sure if that means the Libs win because they turned Pence into one of their own or if they lose for the same reason.

Glad one of you right wing turds are willing to admit that conservatism is dogma and doctrinaire.

Hayek agrees!

"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

and liberalism is mental disorder, you prove it with this post . You are also the biggest haters , who uses bully tactics to try and get your way. this law brought that out for everyone to see

 

[rightwinger]

This thread is funny!

RFRA stands. SCOTUS ruled that it now is expanded to say businesses can have religious beliefs that need protection.

Indiana and Arkansas are just fine tuning the way their State version of the Federal law was written.

Putting in a clause that states for the stupid/ignorant/idiotic among us that this bill in no way allows a business to discriminate against anyone is not a victory for Liberals.

Putting in a clause saying the bill in no way disriminates does not mean that it doesn't

There are still no protections in the bill and no clear definition of the scope your "religious convictions" may have

In fact, if your religious convictions say to hate fags, there is nothing in Indiana preventing you from discriminating

 

[NYcarbineer]

The best part of this victory is the Right's denial that it's happened.

 

[rightwinger]

Ultra-Conservative Senator/Governor Mike Pence has changed his position.

Southern Conservative Senator/Governor Asa Huchinson is calling for a re-write before he signs it, making clear there will be no discrimination, and pointing out that the Federal law will be his guidepost, not a 'States Rights' position.

Liberals win again.

If Pence is willing to change his mind then ha cannot be a Conservative, nevermind an Ultra-Conservative. He IS a Liberal, So I'm not sure if that means the Libs win because they turned Pence into one of their own or if they lose for the same reason.

Glad one of you right wing turds are willing to admit that conservatism is dogma and doctrinaire.

Hayek agrees!

"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

and liberalism is mental disorder, you prove it with this post . You are also the biggest haters , who uses bully tactics to try and get your way. this law brought that out for everyone to see

Stephanie

You are consistently one of the dumbest posters on the board. Your posts add nothing to the discussion.

 

[rightwinger]

The best part of this victory is the Right's denial that it's happened.

I meant to do that

 

[NYcarbineer]

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He's being very wise to send the legislation back for an amendment that makes it very clear that the bill itself does not allow nor endorse any person or business to discriminate.

The was the primary purpose of the original bill. They are allegedly taking out the only part of the bill that its supporters cared about.

We'll see if that holds. It's death blow to bigots refusing service to gays if it does.

 

[Anathema]

Typical conservative, can't admit defeat. What did you think of Boehner and the rest of the conservatives who folded on not funding DHS? Are they liberals now too? Yikes.....Ted Cruz a Liberal? Shoot me!

I believe that there are probably about 50,000 REAL Conservatives left in the USA., and I doubt any of them are elected officials. Everyone else is a Liberal. Then again, I'm one who believes that Campaign Promises should be made UNDER OATH and with the full weight of a potential PERJURY charge behind them.

 

[Stephanie]

FASCIST is the only word that fits for what's going on here over ONE STATE LAW. wake up people

SNIP:


The Fascist Left and Same-Sex Marriage
April 2, 2015 - 7:49 AM

By Ben Shapiro



Last week, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence signed a law with the same name as one signed on the federal level by President Bill Clinton in 1993, which was co-sponsored by Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., the presumptive next Senate minority leader. Naturally, Pence found himself on the wrong end of a partisan barrage from ABC News' George Stephanopoulos for signing that law the following Sunday. It sure is nice to be a Democrat.

What exactly does the law state? The Religious Freedom Restoration Act in Indiana states that "a governmental entity may not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion, even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability." That rule does not apply only if the government's action "is in furtherance of a compelling government interest" and is also "the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling government interest." If government does act against someone in violation of that person's religious principles, he or she can assert that violation "as a claim or defense in a judicial or administrative proceeding."

ALL of it here:

The Fascist Left and Same-Sex Marriage CNS News