Liberals: The "RICH" keep more of there wealth, they are given nothing

[rightwinger]

How do you access the Internet?

Magic?

"Society" didn't invent the internet. It didn't invent the iPhone either. Apple and Steve Jobs invented the later. This mythical "society" you try to credit with everything is an abstraction. I don't owe anything to an abstraction.

The Government invented the internet

 

[midcan5]

The idea that all it takes to get rich is hard work ought to be retired forever in the dustbin of other imbecilic glossy poster promises, you know like the one that says you can be anything you want. Sure you can, provided you selected the correct parents, time in history, and genetic makeup. If you didn't, chances are you are going to be a regular Joanie or Johnnie, and there sure as hell isn't anything wrong with that, just stop posting stupid slogans that make zero sense.

"If The $5.15 Hourly minimum wage had risen at the same rate as CEO compensation since 1990, it would now stand at $23.03.
A Minimum Wage employee who works 40 hours a week for 51 weeks a year goes home with $10,506 before taxes.
Such A Worker would take 7,000 years to earn Oracle CEO Larry Ellison’s yearly compensation.
In 2005, there were 9 million American millionaires, a 62% increase since 2002.
In 2005, 25.7 million Americans received food stamps, a 49% increase since 2000."

A Look at the Numbers: How the Rich Get Richer | Mother Jones

"Responsible Wealth, a project of United for a Fair Economy, is a network of over 700 business leaders and wealthy individuals in the top 5% of income and/or wealth in the US who use their surprising voice to advocate for fair taxes and corporate accountability. If you're in the top 5% (over $200,000 household income and/or over $1 million net assets) and you care about economic justice, please join Responsible Wealth today!" Responsible Wealth | United for a Fair Economy

 

[rightwinger]

No it isn't. I post on this board at the privilege of the Web site administrator.

How do you access the Internet?

Magic?

Right winger:
The Govt does nothing without our wealth
It does not exist without the people's wealth
with respect
herein lies the core problem this country faces today
Somehow it has become up-side down

No it hasn't...

The Government IS the people and is operating to ensure the general welfare of all. That Government is elected by the people and is responsible to them. The elected government decides what is in the best interests of the nation as a whole and decides who has to contribute how much.

That is how modern civilizations work

 

[midcan5]

How do you access the Internet?

Magic?

"Society" didn't invent the internet. It didn't invent the iPhone either. Apple and Steve Jobs invented the later. This mythical "society" you try to credit with everything is an abstraction. I don't owe anything to an abstraction.

That only demonstrates to me how little history is known and taught today. See quote below for a bit of reality. Much of the technology and knowledge we rely on today had its source in government, aka society, funding.

"In 1929 Federal, state, and municipal governments accounted for about 8 percent of all economic activity in the United States. By the 1960s that figure was between 20 and 25 percent, far exceeding that in India, a socialist country. The National Science Foundation reckoned that federal funds were paying for 90 percent of research in aviation and space travel, 65 percent in electrical and electronic devices, 42 percent in Scientific Instruments, 31 percent in machinery, 28 percent in metal alloys, 24 percent in automobiles, and 20 percent in chemicals." William Manchester "The Glory and the Dream"

 

[rightwinger]

Then why are you so concerned about doing away with the Bush tax cuts?

Because I believe that the People should be made to pay for every nickel of government they get, when they get it.

The rich get almost nothing from government. So you must be in favor of cutting their tax rate to 1%.

The rich get more from the government than any other class. They make sure they do
The rich make sure that the government protects their ability to make money, they make sure there is sufficient infrastructure so that goods and services can be cheaply transported, they make sure the government protects their interests abroad

They get much more than some lowly welfare queen

 

[JRK]

How do you access the Internet?

Magic?

"Society" didn't invent the internet. It didn't invent the iPhone either. Apple and Steve Jobs invented the later. This mythical "society" you try to credit with everything is an abstraction. I don't owe anything to an abstraction.

The Government invented the internet

They would not have if the tax payer was not funding them

 

[JRK]

How do you access the Internet?

Magic?

"Society" didn't invent the internet. It didn't invent the iPhone either. Apple and Steve Jobs invented the later. This mythical "society" you try to credit with everything is an abstraction. I don't owe anything to an abstraction.

That only demonstrates to me how little history is known and taught today. See quote below for a bit of reality. Much of the technology and knowledge we rely on today had its source in government, aka society, funding.

"In 1929 Federal, state, and municipal governments accounted for about 8 percent of all economic activity in the United States. By the 1960s that figure was between 20 and 25 percent, far exceeding that in India, a socialist country. The National Science Foundation reckoned that federal funds were paying for 90 percent of research in aviation and space travel, 65 percent in electrical and electronic devices, 42 percent in Scientific Instruments, 31 percent in machinery, 28 percent in metal alloys, 24 percent in automobiles, and 20 percent in chemicals." William Manchester "The Glory and the Dream"

There you go again
with respect
the federal govt pays for nothing
the tax payer does
there is no such of a thing as federal funds. It is tax payers wealth that has been "collected" and re distributed the way congress seen fit

 

[Gadawg73]

When a rich person goes through the line at WalMart and pays $9 for a bag of charcoal and the next person comes through and pays the same $9 for the same bag why does the wealthy person have to pay a larger % of their EARNED INCOME in taxes as someone else?
It makes no sense. And what incentives to we give citizens TO GET OFF SOCIAL PROGRAMS?
Shouldn't we be finding ways TO END social programs? Isn't it a better society if we had NO social programs? Now I know that is not possible but shouldn't we have that as the goal? A downward, NOT UPWARD, chart of entitlement spending?
Look at oriental societies. Their citizens seek to be self sufficient and not have government as their master.
Lack of discipline both in government and society.

 

[JRK]

Because I believe that the People should be made to pay for every nickel of government they get, when they get it.

The rich get almost nothing from government. So you must be in favor of cutting their tax rate to 1%.

The rich get more from the government than any other class. They make sure they do
The rich make sure that the government protects their ability to make money, they make sure there is sufficient infrastructure so that goods and services can be cheaply transported, they make sure the government protects their interests abroad

They get much more than some lowly welfare queen

Now if the tax rate for a person making over 200k a year is 35%, how is that person getting more from the govt than anyone else?
Let me try this again
the govt collects wealth, it does not create it
The services you claim the govt provides for the "rich" only exist because of that wealth they have collected

 

[Gadawg73]

Because I believe that the People should be made to pay for every nickel of government they get, when they get it.

The rich get almost nothing from government. So you must be in favor of cutting their tax rate to 1%.

The rich get more from the government than any other class. They make sure they do
The rich make sure that the government protects their ability to make money, they make sure there is sufficient infrastructure so that goods and services can be cheaply transported, they make sure the government protects their interests abroad

They get much more than some lowly welfare queen

So government is not supposed to give the rich the same acceess to everything or charge them extra because they are rich?
Who is stopping anyone from getting what you claim the rich get?
Of course they do because they go and get it but it is available to EVERYONE.
What you claim EVERYONE has the same oppurtunity at.
Everyone has sufficient infrastructure. What you are stating makes no sense.
Capitalism is not supposed to force government to make it fair for everyone.
It is the responsibility of citizens to get the free access for what you state.
NO ONE is stopping them.
I think you have it backwards there. Tell me how the rich get food stamps, free health care, subsidized housing where they live and energy credits to pay their utilities.
The moochers get too much. Where have they offered anything to go out, educate themselves, look for work, quit spitting out kids like brood mares and live responsible lives?

 

[rightwinger]

"Society" didn't invent the internet. It didn't invent the iPhone either. Apple and Steve Jobs invented the later. This mythical "society" you try to credit with everything is an abstraction. I don't owe anything to an abstraction.

The Government invented the internet

They would not have if the tax payer was not funding them

Now you are getting the idea....

The Government is acting in the best interests of all the people. If private industry were allowed control of the internet you would be charged for each connection, much like the phone company.

 

[JRK]

The rich get almost nothing from government. So you must be in favor of cutting their tax rate to 1%.

The rich get more from the government than any other class. They make sure they do
The rich make sure that the government protects their ability to make money, they make sure there is sufficient infrastructure so that goods and services can be cheaply transported, they make sure the government protects their interests abroad

They get much more than some lowly welfare queen

So government is not supposed to give the rich the same acceess to everything or charge them extra because they are rich?
Who is stopping anyone from getting what you claim the rich get?
Of course they do because they go and get it but it is available to EVERYONE.
What you claim EVERYONE has the same oppurtunity at.
Everyone has sufficient infrastructure. What you are stating makes no sense.
Capitalism is not supposed to force government to make it fair for everyone.
It is the responsibility of citizens to get the free access for what you state.
NO ONE is stopping them.
I think you have it backwards there. Tell me how the rich get food stamps, free health care, subsidized housing where they live and energy credits to pay their utilities.
The moochers get too much. Where have they offered anything to go out, educate themselves, look for work, quit spitting out kids like brood mares and live responsible lives?

The govt is a tool that takes wealth from the tax payer and gives it to people who some-times pay no taxes
The Govt has nothing without the tax payers welath

 

[JRK]

The Government invented the internet

They would not have if the tax payer was not funding them

Now you are getting the idea....

The Government is acting in the best interests of all the people. If private industry were allowed control of the internet you would be charged for each connection, much like the phone company.

So me giving the IRS 17,000 this year is better than me giving Apple, lets say $20.00 a month to hook to the internet?
Again here is where the problem is
Its like paying 4.18 a gallon of fuel
18 cents of that is federal

 

[rightwinger]

The rich get almost nothing from government. So you must be in favor of cutting their tax rate to 1%.

The rich get more from the government than any other class. They make sure they do
The rich make sure that the government protects their ability to make money, they make sure there is sufficient infrastructure so that goods and services can be cheaply transported, they make sure the government protects their interests abroad

They get much more than some lowly welfare queen

So government is not supposed to give the rich the same acceess to everything or charge them extra because they are rich?
Who is stopping anyone from getting what you claim the rich get?
Of course they do because they go and get it but it is available to EVERYONE.
What you claim EVERYONE has the same oppurtunity at.
Everyone has sufficient infrastructure. What you are stating makes no sense.
Capitalism is not supposed to force government to make it fair for everyone.
It is the responsibility of citizens to get the free access for what you state.
NO ONE is stopping them.
I think you have it backwards there. Tell me how the rich get food stamps, free health care, subsidized housing where they live and energy credits to pay their utilities.
The moochers get too much. Where have they offered anything to go out, educate themselves, look for work, quit spitting out kids like brood mares and live responsible lives?

Everyone does not need what the rich get.

The rich get the government to protect their investments, tarrifs, subsidies, a free and open infrastucture, patent and copyright protections.....

Working people do not make money off the transportation infrastucture the way business does. The ability to move goods and services cheaply and efficiently is essential for all business to make a profit.

Tell me how the rich get food stamps, free health care, subsidized housing where they live and energy credits to pay their utilities.
The moochers get too much.

Interesting....who benefits from all these programs, the poor or employers who pay substandard wages? If you pay $10 an hour and no employees in your area are able to support their families on what you pay...you will have no employees
However, if the Government steps in and provides that $10 an hour employee with a housing subsidy, food stamps and healthcare he is able to work for you at what you are willing to pay. It is the employers who are the moochers

 

[rightwinger]

They would not have if the tax payer was not funding them

Now you are getting the idea....

The Government is acting in the best interests of all the people. If private industry were allowed control of the internet you would be charged for each connection, much like the phone company.

So me giving the IRS 17,000 this year is better than me giving Apple, lets say $20.00 a month to hook to the internet?
Again here is where the problem is
Its like paying 4.18 a gallon of fuel
18 cents of that is federal

What?

You know.....when you are not cut and pasting from rightwing websites, you make absolutely no sense

 

[JRK]

The rich get more from the government than any other class. They make sure they do
The rich make sure that the government protects their ability to make money, they make sure there is sufficient infrastructure so that goods and services can be cheaply transported, they make sure the government protects their interests abroad

They get much more than some lowly welfare queen

So government is not supposed to give the rich the same acceess to everything or charge them extra because they are rich?
Who is stopping anyone from getting what you claim the rich get?
Of course they do because they go and get it but it is available to EVERYONE.
What you claim EVERYONE has the same oppurtunity at.
Everyone has sufficient infrastructure. What you are stating makes no sense.
Capitalism is not supposed to force government to make it fair for everyone.
It is the responsibility of citizens to get the free access for what you state.
NO ONE is stopping them.
I think you have it backwards there. Tell me how the rich get food stamps, free health care, subsidized housing where they live and energy credits to pay their utilities.
The moochers get too much. Where have they offered anything to go out, educate themselves, look for work, quit spitting out kids like brood mares and live responsible lives?

Everyone does not need what the rich get.

The rich get the government to protect their investments, tarrifs, subsidies, a free and open infrastucture, patent and copyright protections.....

Working people do not make money off the transportation infrastucture the way business does. The ability to move goods and services cheaply and efficiently is essential for all business to make a profit.

Tell me how the rich get food stamps, free health care, subsidized housing where they live and energy credits to pay their utilities.
The moochers get too much.

Interesting....who benefits from all these programs, the poor or employers who pay substandard wages? If you pay $10 an hour and no employees in your area are able to support their families on what you pay...you will have no employees
However, if the Government steps in and provides that $10 an hour employee with a housing subsidy, food stamps and healthcare he is able to work for you at what you are willing to pay. It is the employers who are the moochers

My friend what ever any of us get from the Govt get it because the govt collects our wealth

The Govt does not step in, they collect wealth and they redistribute it to those they see fit to receive it

By the way in the scenario you provide I do not know any-one who is not in support of that. The theory being in time that person(s) will gain enough training/marriage/promotion etc... to get off of those programs

Thats where we have huge issues

 

[NYcarbineer]

The rich get almost nothing from government. So you must be in favor of cutting their tax rate to 1%.

The rich get more from the government than any other class. They make sure they do
The rich make sure that the government protects their ability to make money, they make sure there is sufficient infrastructure so that goods and services can be cheaply transported, they make sure the government protects their interests abroad

They get much more than some lowly welfare queen

Now if the tax rate for a person making over 200k a year is 35%, how is that person getting more from the govt than anyone else?
Let me try this again
the govt collects wealth, it does not create it
The services you claim the govt provides for the "rich" only exist because of that wealth they have collected

Are you saying that education does not create wealth? Specifically, public education?

 

[waynefromaitkin]

a general question: I have to ask, as a democrat, why do you think that Oil subsities, off shore tax havens for corporations, tax cuts to millionairs and billionaire , be the holy grail in have no cuts in the budget talks. Heck, shut her dow, Democrats need some back bone.

 

[waynefromaitkin]

yes ,but how much profits are going to the Oil company's profits and wall street profit. blame the lion, not the jackel

 

[Gadawg73]

The rich get more from the government than any other class. They make sure they do
The rich make sure that the government protects their ability to make money, they make sure there is sufficient infrastructure so that goods and services can be cheaply transported, they make sure the government protects their interests abroad

They get much more than some lowly welfare queen

So government is not supposed to give the rich the same acceess to everything or charge them extra because they are rich?
Who is stopping anyone from getting what you claim the rich get?
Of course they do because they go and get it but it is available to EVERYONE.
What you claim EVERYONE has the same oppurtunity at.
Everyone has sufficient infrastructure. What you are stating makes no sense.
Capitalism is not supposed to force government to make it fair for everyone.
It is the responsibility of citizens to get the free access for what you state.
NO ONE is stopping them.
I think you have it backwards there. Tell me how the rich get food stamps, free health care, subsidized housing where they live and energy credits to pay their utilities.
The moochers get too much. Where have they offered anything to go out, educate themselves, look for work, quit spitting out kids like brood mares and live responsible lives?

Everyone does not need what the rich get.

The rich get the government to protect their investments, tarrifs, subsidies, a free and open infrastucture, patent and copyright protections.....

Working people do not make money off the transportation infrastucture the way business does. The ability to move goods and services cheaply and efficiently is essential for all business to make a profit.

Tell me how the rich get food stamps, free health care, subsidized housing where they live and energy credits to pay their utilities.
The moochers get too much.

Interesting....who benefits from all these programs, the poor or employers who pay substandard wages? If you pay $10 an hour and no employees in your area are able to support their families on what you pay...you will have no employees
However, if the Government steps in and provides that $10 an hour employee with a housing subsidy, food stamps and healthcare he is able to work for you at what you are willing to pay. It is the employers who are the moochers

EVERYONE has the same oppurtunity.
Respectfully, what you are stating makes no sense.
A wage is based on demand. A $10 an hour job means YOU HAVE NO SKILLS.
Go out and get the skills that pay more.
HVAC training at a simple vocational school. Take it and go where they need those skills, Florida, California, Alabama where ever and make $20 an hour TO START.
Demand.

And who determines who needs what? Government?
The market.
A capitalist market ALWAYS benefits the producers. What is wrong with that?
Employers moochers? Explain that one. How would anyone have ANY $$$ WITHOUT EMPLOYERS?
Who puts up the $$$$ as caiptal AT RISK????
Employers.
So you believe all employers are rich??? Brother, you are not living in the real world on this issue.