Leftists, this teen must be crushed!!!

[ThisIsMe]

Thinking a kid is going to believe he's trans because he saw a tictoc (Obviously a devious Chinese plot, because everything is a devious Chinese plot to you knobs!) is about as silly as thinking he's going to be trans because a drag queen read him a story.


Yup, because it's none of your business.

Thinking a kid is going to believe he's trans because he saw a tictoc (Obviously a devious Chinese plot, because everything is a devious Chinese plot to you knobs!) is about as silly as thinking he's going to be trans because a drag queen read him a story.

Children are impressionable, and yes, watching videos online can have a confusing affect on them, especially if they are already in a confusing time. This is one of the throngs Chloe claimed had an effect on her.

Yup, because it's none of your business.

Maybe it’s not “my” business, but I have just as much right to speak out in it as anyone else, unfortunately people have to speak out because others won’t. This has been put into the public spotlight because some doctors and parents made a mistake.

I don’t see why having more information is a problem.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Shush, the grownups are talking.

For the record, the only reason I care about the rights of LGBTQ is because how fucking miserable it makes the religious right. They have rights, and God hasn't pulled a Gomorrah on us.. because he doesn't exist.

Ahh, so your resistance isn’t about defending gay rights…it’s just about your hatred of religion…

Got it…

 

[ThisIsMe]

De-transitioned teen girl sues hospital system over breast-removal surgery at age 13, lawsuit accuses doctors of 'intentional fraud' about transition

A de-transitioned teen is suing a hospital system over doctors removing her breasts when she was only 13 years old. Layla Jane is an 18-year-old biological female who began to identify as transgender at age 11. Jane desired to transition to a male at that time. Initially, doctors at the Kaiser...

www.theblaze.com

Ahh, here ya go again joe, another Kaiser lawsuit and what do you know, doctors once again telling parents the child is a a high risk of suicide unless they let them start transition procedures.

And, at 12 years old they started her on hormones and puberty blockers and at 13 the performed mastectomy…

And now she’s in regret. This is why the age specific data is important rather than age range data.

 

[JoeB131]

Children are impressionable, and yes, watching videos online can have a confusing affect on them, especially if they are already in a confusing time. This is one of the throngs Chloe claimed had an effect on her.

Maybe it’s not “my” business, but I have just as much right to speak out in it as anyone else, unfortunately people have to speak out because others won’t. This has been put into the public spotlight because some doctors and parents made a mistake.

Okay, Doctors make mistakes all the time. 250,000 Americans die every year because of medical errors. I don't see you getting all worked up about that. Just the odd mentally ill teen who got a bad diagnosis about her gender identity.

So let's take this to the next level. Despite 250K dying a year because of medical error, 36 MILLION Americans were hospitalized. Which means that 35,750,000 Americans got good treatment.

11,000 Americans surgically transition every year. You've found MAYBE two where that was a bad call.

Ahh, so your resistance isn’t about defending gay rights…it’s just about your hatred of religion…

Ahh, here ya go again joe, another Kaiser lawsuit and what do you know, doctors once again telling parents the child is a a high risk of suicide unless they let them start transition procedures.

And, at 12 years old they started her on hormones and puberty blockers and at 13 the performed mastectomy…

And now she’s in regret. This is why the age specific data is important rather than age range data.

So 11K people surgically transistion every year, hundreds of thousands of people are trans, and you find TWO girls who clearly both have a long list of mental illnesses. (According to their own lawyers, anyway)

 

[Hollie]

Works on the assumption that Gender Dysphoria isn't a serious issue. For some people, it is.


Yeah, Fuck HIPAA.



First, it's unlikely that the inclusion of minors (who rarely get gender confirmation therapy to start with) would bump the numbers all that much. But here's the more telling thing. So far, all you guys have is Brockman, who is a whole basketful of crazy besides her Gender Dysphoria. But she's getting all the attention she wants, so she's happy now.



Yes, it was... and I get a little tired of going back and digging it out. Hey, here's the horse you transphobes have put your chips on.

“Chloe Cole” / Chloe Brockman and transgender people

“Chloe Cole” is the stage name of Chloe Brockman, an American ex-transgender activist. Similar to the ex-gay movement, ex-trans activists get money and attention by making it harder for…

www.transgendermap.com

On November 30, 2017, Brockman had a consultation with an endocrinologist who advised against beginning hormone therapy. The family sought a second opinion on Brockman’s insistence and gave legal consent for medical transition.

(Note, her actual name is Chloe Brockman, not Chloe Cole. She probably thought "Brockman" sounded too butch)

At age 14, Brockman’s chest was groped at school by a bully. This traumatic event led to daily use of a chest binder. Brockman asked Taylor for a referral to plastic surgeon Hop Le. Brockman then had a psychological evaluation with Susanne Watson, who recommended honoring Brockman’s request for top surgery.

Brockman began using the given name Leo and was encouraged to attend classes with a family peer group of other transmasculine minors. Brockman’s surgery occurred following parental consent. On June 3, 2020, Brockman underwent top surgery a month before turning 16. During COVID quarantine in the summer of 2020, Brockman started to have “regrets” before discontinuing hormones in May 2021. According to the 2023 lawsuit, Brockman “became intensely suicidal for the first time and prone to emotional outbursts.” Elsewhere in the lawsuit, they claim Brockman was exhibiting “passive suicidal ideation” around the time Jeff and Jocelyn divorced.

Brockman failed out of high school as a senior and had to get a California High School Proficiency Exam Certificate instead. As failure and rejection took their toll, Brockman was radicalized by conservative edgelord online culture. Anti-transgender activism soon followed. This brought Brockman to the attention of Harmeet Dhillon and other conservative or fascist activists, who began showering Brockman with money and attention.

Here's what her own lawyers say about her.

The lawyers claim Brockman has had these conditions:

• pornography addiction
• disruptive behavior disorder (diagnosed September 12, 2012)
• encounter for school problem (diagnosed November 26, 2013)
• ADHD (diagnosed October 9, 2015)
• general anxiety
• social anxiety
• speech difficulties
• depression
• pubertal struggles associated with significantly increased negative emotions
• body dysmorphia and serious self-image concerns
• symptoms of an eating disorder
• learning disabilities
• autism spectrum symptoms
• a cleft palate for which surgery had been performed
• concerns about being sexually abused or raped, that eventually materialized into a sexual assault
• exposure to only negative aspects about being female, without any discussion of the positive aspects of being female, including menstrual cycles, pregnancy, childbirth, male domination, and similar distorting ideas
• difficulty at school
• trouble with social interaction and learning
• social troubles
• severe distress
• ongoing confusion regarding her gender
• suicidal ideation

Yeah. So you want to give dangerous drugs and allow life altering surgery for a child with a long list of existing medical problems.

It’s difficult to imagine a child who was more in need of responsible adults as opposed to the groomers circling like vultures overhead.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah. So you want to give dangerous drugs and allow life altering surgery for a child with a long list of existing medical problems.

We do that all the time. We give hundreds of thousands of kids SSRI's to make them behave themselves in class.

It’s difficult to imagine a child who was more in need of responsible adults as opposed to the groomers circling like vultures overhead.

Again, you have one or two mistakes vs. thousands of trans kids who've been legitimately helped.

If there was ACTUAL malpractice here, let the chips fall where they may.

Just not seeing it in the rambling filings submitted though.

 

[Hollie]

We do that all the time. We give hundreds of thousands of kids SSRI's to make them behave themselves in class.


Again, you have one or two mistakes vs. thousands of trans kids who've been legitimately helped.

If there was ACTUAL malpractice here, let the chips fall where they may.

Just not seeing it in the rambling filings submitted though.

Obviously, it's just silly to suggest that SSRI's are equivalent to drugs prescribed to minors by leftist groomers. That's such a bizarre attempt at comparison, but one that would be expected from an extremist.

Yes. The lawsuits are becoming more common. That's not surprising when the leftist grooming agenda is focused on trans'ing for profit.

• Kaiser Permanente doctors offered trans care after minutes-long consultations

Golly. "Minutes long consultation" demonstrates a real standard of care when the result is mutilating surgery on a thirteen year old.

California teen sues doctors over breast-removal surgery at age 13

Layla Jane, 18, says she should never have been put through the 'torment' of testosterone hormones at age 12 and puberty blockers and surgery the next year, and seeks payback from her doctors.

www.dailymail.co.uk

• Layla Jane says her puberty blockers and hormones were a medical 'torment'
• Kaiser Permanente doctors offered trans care after minutes-long consultations
• Another California teen Chloe Cole last month sued the same hospital

 

[Bob Blaylock]

It seems that common sense ought to dictate that it is never an appropriate treatment for mental illness, to remove, destroy, or mutilate healthy body parts in a futile effort to force the patient's physical reality to conform to his delusions.

This shit belongs on the same trash heap as such long-discredited practices as trepanning, bloodletting, and such.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Okay, Doctors make mistakes all the time. 250,000 Americans die every year because of medical errors. I don't see you getting all worked up about that. Just the odd mentally ill teen who got a bad diagnosis about her gender identity.

So let's take this to the next level. Despite 250K dying a year because of medical error, 36 MILLION Americans were hospitalized. Which means that 35,750,000 Americans got good treatment.

11,000 Americans surgically transition every year. You've found MAYBE two where that was a bad call.





So 11K people surgically transistion every year, hundreds of thousands of people are trans, and you find TWO girls who clearly both have a long list of mental illnesses. (According to their own lawyers, anyway)

The problem is, both of these could have been prevented by not letting pre teens make these kinds of decisions, especially if there is a history of mental problems. The doctors should know better, and should not be pushing the suicide idea as a way to start transition therapy.

These medical doctors shouldn’t even be telling parents that suicide possibility is increased, they are not psychologists. They need to be referring the child and the parents to a psychologist for further study.

And yes, we’ve found 2 that have gone public about their ordeal, but that doesn’t mean they are the only ones who regret the transition. That’s the problem I’m talking about. They say that 11000 people transition, and the just meld everyone into the regret % number, but we don’t know if it’s the children who regret it more, or the adults, and I’ve stated that I think children who transition would probably tend to be on the higher side of regret than adults, because the adults knew what they were doing, whereas the kids don’t.

The fact is, there may be many more children who haven’t come forward, maybe they are afraid, who knows, but we don’t have the data because they just meld it all together so you can’t see the actual numbers. That’s what I’m arguing for.

 

[ThisIsMe]

We do that all the time. We give hundreds of thousands of kids SSRI's to make them behave themselves in class.


Again, you have one or two mistakes vs. thousands of trans kids who've been legitimately helped.

If there was ACTUAL malpractice here, let the chips fall where they may.

Just not seeing it in the rambling filings submitted though.

SSRI’s just help regulate serotonin levels in the brain, they don’t cause any stoppage of development or any harmful effects.

 

[JoeB131]

Obviously, it's just silly to suggest that SSRI's are equivalent to drugs prescribed to minors by leftist groomers. That's such a bizarre attempt at comparison, but one that would be expected from an extremist.

Actually, I think that most kids on SSRI's don't need to be on them, but their teachers and parents suck at their jobs.

And then we wonder why they turn into stupid adults.

It seems that common sense ought to dictate that it is never an appropriate treatment for mental illness, to remove, destroy, or mutilate healthy body parts in a futile effort to force the patient's physical reality to conform to his delusions.

Really? Then talk to all the plastic surgeons giving out face lifts, boob jobs, tummy tucks, and my personal least favorite, blepharoplasties for Asian women who don't think their eyes look white enough.

Oh, wait, those things don't conform to your religious delusions and transphobia. .

 

[JoeB131]

The problem is, both of these could have been prevented by not letting pre teens make these kinds of decisions, especially if there is a history of mental problems. The doctors should know better, and should not be pushing the suicide idea as a way to start transition therapy.

These medical doctors shouldn’t even be telling parents that suicide possibility is increased, they are not psychologists. They need to be referring the child and the parents to a psychologist for further study.

Except these kids went to shrinks and the shrinks told them the same thing. In Brockman's case, the first doctor told her "no" and she insisted on a new doctor.

And yes, we’ve found 2 that have gone public about their ordeal, but that doesn’t mean they are the only ones who regret the transition. That’s the problem I’m talking about. They say that 11000 people transition, and the just meld everyone into the regret % number, but we don’t know if it’s the children who regret it more, or the adults, and I’ve stated that I think children who transition would probably tend to be on the higher side of regret than adults, because the adults knew what they were doing, whereas the kids don’t.

Except less than 1% of people who transition transition back, and they usually do it because society isn't accepting them in their chosen gender.

If you promise to pay attention to someone, some lonely, attention starved person will always come out of the woodwork.

If there is ACTUAL MALPRATICE here, I say let the chips fall where they may. But I'm not seeing this in Brockman's filings, to be honest. I'm seeing a messed up person who insisted on a course of treatment, and convinced her parents and caregivers this was the best course of action.

 

[HeyNorm]

We do that all the time. We give hundreds of thousands of kids SSRI's to make them behave themselves in class.


Again, you have one or two mistakes vs. thousands of trans kids who've been legitimately helped.

If there was ACTUAL malpractice here, let the chips fall where they may.

Just not seeing it in the rambling filings submitted though.

Up to 80% of all children that claimed to be gender confused out grow it by the time they exit puberty Joe.

What we are doing to children is simply medical experimentation and needs to be criminalized.

It is no different than what the Nazis did. No different.

 

[Hollie]

Actually, I think that most kids on SSRI's don't need to be on them, but their teachers and parents suck at their jobs.

And then we wonder why they turn into stupid adults.




Really? Then talk to all the plastic surgeons giving out face lifts, boob jobs, tummy tucks, and my personal least favorite, blepharoplasties for Asian women who don't think their eyes look white enough.

Oh, wait, those things don't conform to your religious delusions and transphobia. .

Actually, strange that you think children, even before their teen years, should be taking puberty blockers and influenced by groomers who push them towards mutilating surgeries.

 

[HeyNorm]

Except these kids went to shrinks and the shrinks told them the same thing. In Brockman's case, the first doctor told her "no" and she insisted on a new doctor.



Except less than 1% of people who transition transition back, and they usually do it because society isn't accepting them in their chosen gender.

If you promise to pay attention to someone, some lonely, attention starved person will always come out of the woodwork.

If there is ACTUAL MALPRATICE here, I say let the chips fall where they may. But I'm not seeing this in Brockman's filings, to be honest. I'm seeing a messed up person who insisted on a course of treatment, and convinced her parents and caregivers this was the best course of action.

Joe, if you’re gauging a teens mentality with that of an adult, THEY ARE ALL MESSED UP. Have a few and then you would know what a moronic statement YOU MADE!

It also shows why you look creepy in making your idiotic argument.

No hush and let us adults talk.

 

[JoeB131]

Up to 80% of all children that claimed to be gender confused out grow it by the time they exit puberty Joe.

I'd ask you for a source, but you don't have one.

Actually, strange that you think children, even before their teen years, should be taking puberty blockers and influenced by groomers who push them towards mutilating surgeries.

I don't think that at all. I leave those things to medical professionals.

Joe, if you’re gauging a teens mentality with that of an adult, THEY ARE ALL MESSED UP. Have a few and then you would know what a moronic statement YOU MADE!

You might have a point. When I was a teen, I thought Republicans had good ideas.

But to the point, up until fairly recently, 14 was considered adult enough to get married and get a job.

Today we have 26 year olds who still live with their parents.

 

[Hollie]

I'd ask you for a source, but you don't have one.


I don't think that at all. I leave those things to medical professionals.



You might have a point. When I was a teen, I thought Republicans had good ideas.

But to the point, up until fairly recently, 14 was considered adult enough to get married and get a job.

Today we have 26 year olds who still live with their parents.

Umm, wait. You have posted an entire list of medical and emotional ailments that afflicted Chloe Cole prior to her mutilating surgery and being doped with dangerous drugs. You also made the screeching claim that doctors went ahead anyway, in spite of her many ailments and performed a double mastectomy because they just couldn't say no to a teenager.

We see routinely that ''medical professionals'' can act on ideologically based choices and are persuaded to groom teenagers when a profit motive appeals to them.

Silly appeals to authority are a poor choice for arguing in favor of chikd grooming.

 

[JoeB131]

Umm, wait. You have posted an entire list of medical and emotional ailments that afflicted Chloe Cole prior to her mutilating surgery and being doped with dangerous drugs. You also made the screeching claim that doctors went ahead anyway, in spite of her many ailments and performed a double mastectomy because they just couldn't say no to a teenager.

Yup, she was going to be a basket case if she had titties or not.

Incidentally, that list of ailments are ones that he lawyers put in her filing. I didn't come up with them.

Now, Realize you are a tad slow... if there was ACTUAL MALPRACTICE HERE, she should win.

I'm just not seeing it. I'm seeing medical professionals who saw someone with a host of emotional troubles and thought that preliminary transition treatments might be in order.

We see routinely that ''medical professionals'' can act on ideologically based choices and are persuaded to groom teenagers when a profit motive appeals to them.

That's what you see... along with that Army Of Drag Queens who are going to pop out of your closet tonite, I'm sure.

 

[HeyNorm]

I'd ask you for a source, but you don't have one.


I don't think that at all. I leave those things to medical professionals.



You might have a point. When I was a teen, I thought Republicans had good ideas.

But to the point, up until fairly recently, 14 was considered adult enough to get married and get a job.

Today we have 26 year olds who still live with their parents.

I actually feel bad for that 80% that have realized they weren’t actually trans.

They face years of anger from folks like Creepy Joe B.

 

[Hollie]

Yup, she was going to be a basket case if she had titties or not.

Incidentally, that list of ailments are ones that he lawyers put in her filing. I didn't come up with them.

Now, Realize you are a tad slow... if there was ACTUAL MALPRACTICE HERE, she should win.

I'm just not seeing it. I'm seeing medical professionals who saw someone with a host of emotional troubles and thought that preliminary transition treatments might be in order.



That's what you see... along with that Army Of Drag Queens who are going to pop out of your closet tonite, I'm sure.

Oh yeah. An emotional basket case is an obvious choice for dangerous drugs and mutiluating surgery. Incidently, you posted that long list of medical and emotional ailments as a way to justify the child as a candidate for medical experimentation.

You posted, ''Yup, she was going to be a basket case if she had titties or not.''

I suppose for the leftist groomers, she was an obvious choice for the kind of medical experimentation that the groomers are inflicting on children. No harm - no foul because she was going to be a basket case anyway. Leftists presumed she was a disposable commodity.

The problem now facing the ghoulish monsters who used her for chemical and surgical experiments is that she's more mature and able to articulate the horrors inflicted on her. It's becoming more apparent that the left is exploiting children for profit.